What makes a doctrine false?

[amigo de christo]

NO

Yes indeed my friend . The Truth of the Lord and of His words a sheep will never compromise
for sake of unity . For that is a unity that WILL NEVER HONOR THE ONE TRUE GOD , HIS CHRIST who has saved us .
This is what we should MARK and AVOID .
Mark those who cause divisions IN THE DOCTRINE YE HAVE LEARNED , mark and avoid such .
But todays unity calls for a saying that says mark those that wont compromise TRUTH for sake of unity
and cast those out with the bible .
ANY unity that does NOT put GOD and CHRIST first above all , IS NO unity a sheep must ever seek to have .
UNITY only with THOSE WHo truly DO LOVE THE LORD and thus HIS words , HIS doctrine , and one the other .

 

[amigo de christo]

What makes a doctrine false?
How about when the Spirit is false?

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. - Galatians 5

A good doctrine ought to make a good people.

And any doctrine that is GOOD in the eyes of The ALLMIGHTY GOD and FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST
would never have made void HIS words , His gospel , For sake of getting along and having unity and common ground .
ANY unity that does not HONOR GOD , CHRIST above all , IS NO UNITY for the sheep to seek or to have or to try and
find common ground with . For what common ground has LIGHT with darkness .
Anything that compromises the w ords of OUR LORD is a unity that TRODS HIM under foot .
WE sure dont want unity WITH THAT .

 

[St. SteVen]

And any doctrine that is GOOD in the eyes of The ALLMIGHTY GOD and FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST

How would we know that?
Doctrines are man-made anyway.
Why should God approve any of them?

Doctrine as a god - bow down before the one you serve...

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[amigo de christo]

I agree, but...
Many is not all. Which seems to be your assumption in your previous post.

Anyone who preaches doctrine that adds too and takes from The Word of GOD is bad news .
You might wanna read revelation again steven .
It speaks of only TWO ends for a man . For the Beleiver it is good
but for the unbeliever Very very harsh and bad .
Nor is it ever once written they GET OUT of such a place .
SO lets not add to it by saying or imply THEY DO .
RATHER try preaching JESUS to all who are amongst the living T ODAY
CAUSE I KNOW HE SAVES and I KNOW ONE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM TO BE SAVED .
In fact By all HE did teach and later the apostels
ONE DAY ITS GONNA BE TOO LATE . And no man knows that day , nor even the day they depart this earth .
YOU NEEDS to be PREACHING JESUS , as did the apostels , with the dire reminder
TO BELEIVE or perish , AS DID THEY ALL .
No more trying to remove the severity of GOD and no more false goodness of GOD from thine lips or fingers .
YOU need to get b ack into the bible and actually start BELEIVING what is written
rather than twisting it to fit into a concept of men called inclusivism .
Preach JESUS or prepare to wail on HIS DAY . DO not give out false hope to man . YOU
must simply Preach JESUS and all things HE did teach and later the apostels did .
WHo so ever hears AMEN and who so ever forbears that is on THEM . TRUTH ALONE must be spoken and must
be typed .

 

[amigo de christo]

How would we know that?
Doctrines are man-made anyway.
Why should God approve any of them?

Doctrine as a god - bow down before the one you serve...

There is no salvation in doctrine. Only God can save. --- Agree or disagree? --- Doctrinolatry (to coin a term) Follow-up to several topics: "My doctrinal opinion is true; you're doctrinal opinion is false." - Got it? The (potential) Treachery of Doctrine > My way, or the highway > What...

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Look again at your first question . IT was a very very GOOD question indeed .
How would we know that . OPEN BIBLE is how you KNOW that .
IF anything a man says contradicts that , THEN ITS BAD FALSE DOCTRINE and
thus the answer to your other statement and question is
GOD WILL NOT APPROVE OF SUCH . not all doctrines are man made . But many are man made and many
of them DO contradict the words of the LIVING GOD and of HIS CHRIST .
SO its now high time you get back INTO that bible that men have tried to deconstruct .
AND rather than deconstructing it , START BELEIVING IT .

 

[St. SteVen]

Look again at your first question . IT was a very very GOOD question indeed .
How would we know that . OPEN BIBLE is how you KNOW that .
IF anything a man says contradicts that , THEN ITS BAD FALSE DOCTRINE and
thus the answer to your other statement and question is
GOD WILL NOT APPROVE OF SUCH . not all doctrines are man made . But many are man made and many
of them DO contradict the words of the LIVING GOD and of HIS CHRIST .
SO its now high time you get back INTO that bible that men have tried to deconstruct .
AND rather than deconstructing it , START BELEIVING IT .

There are lots of contradictory doctrines out there.
Each denomination seems to have their own views.
And ALL of them with biblical support. (proof-texts)

Your over-simplification of this issue does no good.

 

[amigo de christo]

There are lots of contradictory doctrines out there.
Each denomination seems to have their own views.
And ALL of them with biblical support. (proof-texts)

Your over-simplification of this issue does no good.

There are lots of contradictory doctrines out THERE . BUT NOT IN THE BIBLE .
Each denomination SURE DOES seem to have their own views
with what THEY twist and say is biblical support .
OH and yes IT IS VERY SIMPLE . The more A sheep reads and learns the scrips
the more it grows wise unto salvation through faith IN JESUS CHRIST .
MEN have long twisted some of what is written to fit a lie . And sadly you are as one of them
seeing i seen what you also have tried to imply .
BUT if you will return to the bible and not try and deconstruct , but rather pray and read
and read and continue to do so , IT will surely come together .
And what men saw as contradictions in the scrips they will soon see are NOT contradictions at all
JUST either a lack of understanding . But so long as men heed deconstruction
and sit under pulpits of men who teach contrary yet cleverly sounding men , OH THEY going DOWN on JESUS DAY .
The solution for any sheep is real SIMPLE .
IF one wants to truly beleive what they beleive to be TRUTH is TRUTH . PRAY and OPEN BIBLE .
This is not hard to do at all . This way those who are learned can also HELP
the unlearned . BUT DO REMEMBER that all men , MYSELF included , MUST be tested against
the HOLY words of TRUTH in them scrips .

 

[St. SteVen]

There are lots of contradictory doctrines out THERE . BUT NOT IN THE BIBLE .
Each denomination SURE DOES seem to have their own views

Again, doctrines are man-made. The Bible is NOT doctrine.
Doctrine is an attempt to codify/explain biblical truth.
Which is not always successful.

 

[amigo de christo]

Again, doctrines are man-made. The Bible is NOT doctrine.
Doctrine is an attempt to codify/explain biblical truth.
Which is not always successful.

Sure the bible is Doctrine . Good doctrine and inspired by GOD .
The doct rines of men are an attempt to codify , explain biblical truth . THOUGH many there be which do so WRONGLY of course .
THeir is such a thing as the pure good doctrine and the bad doctrine .
Many have a blend . and its not good . for we cannot blend a lie with the truth or it is only a lie .
Error upon error has come upon many who sat under wayward men .
The solution is simple steven . YOU are able to read , am i right . WHY of course i am right that you can read .
Cause you can type . SO its time again for YOU to return to the scriptures
and to learn for yourself .

 

[St. SteVen]

Sure the bible is Doctrine . Good doctrine and inspired by GOD .
The doct rines of men are an attempt to codify , explain biblical truth . THOUGH many there be which do so WRONGLY of course .
THeir is such a thing as the pure good doctrine and the bad doctrine .
Many have a blend . and its not good . for we cannot blend a lie with the truth or it is only a lie .
Error upon error has come upon many who sat under wayward men .

The Bible is not doctrine.

Doc·trine
/ˈdäktrən/
noun

• 1. a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group: "the doctrine of predestination"

The solution is simple steven . YOU are able to read , am i right . WHY of course i am right that you can read .
Cause you can type . SO its time again for YOU to return to the scriptures
and to learn for yourself .

How is that a solution?
Bad doctrine came that very same way.

Plus, I have read and studied the whole Bible.
You only assume that I haven't because I don't agree with you.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Bible is not doctrine.

Doc·trine
/ˈdäktrən/
noun

• 1. a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group: "the doctrine of predestination"

How is that a solution?
Bad doctrine came that very same way.

Plus, I have read and studied the whole Bible.
You only assume that I haven't because I don't agree with you.

bad doctrine did not come because folks read that bible . bad doctrine cometh of a heart
that d esired to beleive what IT desired to beleive and thus created a doctrine out of a phrase or two
THAT was actually contradicting the scrips .
You bought the sham of the deconstructionists . Rather than pu tting the blame or fault
on the men who brought the false doctrines , YOU ALL PUT IT on AS IF READING the BIBLE was the pr oblem .
BIG NO NO steven . BIBLE reading has never been the problem . FOr in the words of the scriptures IS TRUTH .
THE PROBLEM is not the SCRIPTURES
the PROBLEM has always been IN THE HEART and minds OF MEN .
Like i said DECONSTRUCTION used a truth like men had bad doctrines
and even showed us some of those bad doctrines
BUT then CAME TO DO ExACTLY what is was always there TO DO . BLAME SCRIPTURE READING .
AS IF that was the problem . NO sir . BIBLE READING GOOD . BIBLE reading VERY VERY GOOD .
But if one has in them an evil heart of TWISTING things to fit their own desire , WELL THEN prepare for BAD DOCTRINE
to come outta such lips .

 

[St. SteVen]

Like i said DECONSTRUCTION used a truth like men had bad doctrines
and even showed us some of those bad doctrines

I thought you agreed that there are bad doctrines.
You are arguing both sides of the issue.

And there's nothing wrong with deconstruction.
So long as one doesn't take it too far.

 

[Anchorite]

Again, doctrines are man-made. The Bible is NOT doctrine.
Doctrine is an attempt to codify/explain biblical truth.
Which is not always successful.

Doctrine is teaching. The Bible is full of teaching. The Bible is doctrine.

Theology attempts to assemble Bible doctrine into a system.

Hermeneutics is Bible interpretation.

Doctrine in the New Testament:

διδασκαλία, -ας, ἡ
Greek transliteration
didaskalia
teaching, instruction, precepts

2 Timothy 2​

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

NOTE: We learn doctrine from the scriptures, not so we can quarrel in forums or create new denominations, but so we will do works that are evidence of our being followers of Jesus.

 

[St. SteVen]

Doctrine is teaching. The Bible is full of teaching. The Bible is doctrine.

Theology attempts to assemble Bible doctrine into a system.

Hermeneutics is Bible interpretation.

Doctrine in the New Testament:

διδασκαλία, -ας, ἡ
Greek transliteration
didaskalia
teaching, instruction, precepts

2 Timothy 2​

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

NOTE: We learn doctrine from the scriptures, not so we can quarrel in forums or create new denominations, but so we will do works that are evidence of our being followers of Jesus.

You disagree while you agree.

You say:
- Doctrine is teaching.
- The Bible is full of teaching.
- The Bible is doctrine.

Which sounds like:
- My cap has a bill.
- A duck has a bill.
- Therefore my cap is a duck.

The Bible is profitable for doctrine. A use for the Bible, not what it is.

Doctrine in the New Testament:

διδασκαλία, -ας, ἡ
Greek transliteration
didaskalia
teaching, instruction, precepts

I was referring to specific doctrines, not teaching in general.
Some teaching is NOT doctrine. Many are not even named such in the Bible.
They are man-made.

The doctrine of:
- The Trinity
- Repentance and Baptism
- Regeneration
- Eschatology

And those doctrines we fight about:
- Grace versus works
- Methods of baptism
- The Baptism of the Holy Spirit
- The Tribulation

 

[Anchorite]

I was referring to specific doctrines, not teaching in general.
Some teaching is NOT doctrine. Many are not even named such in the Bible.
They are man-made.

The doctrine of:
- The Trinity
- Repentance and Baptism
- Regeneration
- Eschatology

And those doctrines we fight about:
- Grace versus works
- Methods of baptism
- The Baptism of the Holy Spirit
- The Tribulation

People will fight about anything. Arguing about the truth does not change the truth.

There are all kinds of debates in science, philosophy, art, literature, music, politics, medicine, sociology, etc.

Deconstruction arose from Jacques Derrida who pitted one section of a philosopher’s text against another section, showing how all thought systems contain contradictions, or the seeds of their own dismantling.

Doctrine is the Bible.

Theology is man made systems based on Bible doctrine.

What makes a doctrine false? When it is not supported by scripture. Each person has to determine which doctrines are scriptural and which are not.

You can be assisted by a pastor or seminary, but they are not infallible. Trust the Holy Spirit to guide you.

 

[amigo de christo]

People will fight about anything. Arguing about the truth does not change the truth.

There are all kinds of debates in science, philosophy, art, literature, music, politics, medicine, sociology, etc.

Deconstruction arose from Jacques Derrida who pitted one section of a philosopher’s text against another section, showing how all thought systems contain contradictions, or the seeds of their own dismantling.

Doctrine is the Bible.

Theology is man made systems based on Bible doctrine.

What makes a doctrine false? When it is not supported by scripture. Each person has to determine which doctrines are scriptural and which are not.

You can be assisted by a pastor or seminary, but they are not infallible. Trust the Holy Spirit to guide you.

All steven does he does from the heart of a man who does not truly desire Truth .
And watch out cause he will surely twist your words as well . He wont see because he has no desire TO SEE .
But i do pray HE repent asap for the welfare of his own self .

 

[amigo de christo]

People will fight about anything. Arguing about the truth does not change the truth.

There are all kinds of debates in science, philosophy, art, literature, music, politics, medicine, sociology, etc.

Deconstruction arose from Jacques Derrida who pitted one section of a philosopher’s text against another section, showing how all thought systems contain contradictions, or the seeds of their own dismantling.

Doctrine is the Bible.

Theology is man made systems based on Bible doctrine.

What makes a doctrine false? When it is not supported by scripture. Each person has to determine which doctrines are scriptural and which are not.

You can be assisted by a pastor or seminary, but they are not infallible. Trust the Holy Spirit to guide you.

Have you seen what he does yet . Have you seen my friend .
He is like a man that says Show me the forest . SO one takes him to the FOREST
and he says HEY dumb ies that is NO F OREST , its just billions upon billions of trees .
He can see the trees but cannot discern it is THE FOREST my friend . Man will love as man does love
and men will love what always fills their own hearts desires .
But the sheep who have been called out and given a new heart , have been given WHOLE new desires .
And those desires are FOR TO PLEASE the one who has saved them .
NOT to do , as many do and try and twist scrips to fit what their flesh d esires it to mean .

 

[St. SteVen]

What makes a doctrine false? When it is not supported by scripture. Each person has to determine which doctrines are scriptural and which are not.

Every false doctrine I am familiar with is backed up by scripture.
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it unbiblical.

The guardrails you are providing don't really work.

You can be assisted by a pastor or seminary, but they are not infallible. Trust the Holy Spirit to guide you.

That's good advise, thanks.

Question.
What happens when two people are led by the Spirit to different conclusions?

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[amigo de christo]

Every false doctrine I am familiar with is backed up by scripture.
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it unbiblical.


That's good advise, thanks.

Question.
What happens when two people are led by the Spirit to different conclusions?

SEE the FOREST of TRUTH my friend before forever it is too late .
You are partially correct about something .
You said every false doctrine that you are familar with is backed up by scriptures .
ONLY YOU FORGET and forgot or perhaps never knew .
OH its backed up with scriptures all right , TWISTED ScRIPS , t aken out of text . Hello st steven .
THIS is exactly why I bEEN begging you to get into the BIBLE for yourself .
You gots to learn . To learn my f riend . Satan himself uses scrips , but watch out
Cause he twists them to mean something that just IS NOT TRUE or RIGHT WITH GOD .
And you been falling headlong for some of his twisted docrtrines Yourself .
SEEING what satan has presented as
love and as a l oving GOD , BUT BOY has he made the ROAD VERY BROAD TO GOD by that love .
BOY has he omitted the severity of GOD by his version of what he sold as love .
AND YOU bought it . That is why you non st op never go about preaching THE DIRE NEED to bELIEVE ON JESUS
YOU always go ab out trying to plant ideas on how that IN THE END everyoen gonna b e just fine .
You my dear sir have become , unknowingly to you , an enemy OF THE VERY GOSPEL that do save .
And you go ab out trying to convince that somehow in the very v ery end , oh its gonna be okay if they beleived not
IN THIS TIME that they lived . WELL NO SIR it wont be .

 

[Anchorite]

All steven does he does from the heart of a man who does not truly desire Truth .
And watch out cause he will surely twist your words as well . He wont see because he has no desire TO SEE .
But i do pray HE repent asap for the welfare of his own self .

I do not judge anyone specifically, but online Christian forums are loaded with individuals promoting strange ideas they claim are biblical. Others enjoy using insults and personal attacks to stir up trouble, disrupt edification, and rob people of joy.

False doctrines are not supported by scripture. Some may use scripture, but can be researched and found to be misinterpreting scripture. Others are derived from sources other than scripture, but pose as not necessarily being in conflict with scripture.

Quarrelsome individuals are easy to spot. They delight in arguing and trying to dominate. They hammer away at topics long after everything has already been said. They need to have the last word. They freak out if they cannot bully a person into replying to an inflammatory remark or answering a disputational question.

They will be quick to move from discussion to accusation. Their goal is to inflate their own sense of importance by making grandiose statements of error, then stepping hard on anyone who dares to disagree with them. Like a blob of mercury, they cannot be nailed down with truth, they keep slipping and sliding around, often posting irrelevant material or angry outbursts.

For non-participating lurkers, it can be instructive to respond to a few of their declarations, but prolonged debates are a waste of time. You both end up spinning around in circles, going nowhere.

Jesus prayed for there to be unity in the body of believers. Strife amongst alleged Christians works against this harmony. We must always be on guard to avoid lengthy pointless skirmishes.

They will know we are Christians by our love, not by our debate victories.