Separation of Church and State a Red Herring.

[doctrox]

Religious liberty is a God given right and God has appointed the government to protect it.

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I see. So Christians can ignore the bill of rights?

Your convoluted efforts to get denominational mileage from your red herring OP have caused you to err in this area. To be crystal, "religious liberty is [NOT] a God given right" and you can't prove otherwise with Scripture. Further, you have failed to define "government", choosing to conflate Godly government with man's godless purported authority.

I don't look to the BoR for any thing; likewise with a constitution, DoI, or any other man made paper/contract with signatures on it.

The remainder of your screed is more tangential "religious" rhetoric, intended as support for your pro-denominational tirade, including this:

It was Catholic persecution and Church of England persecution who both used the government/ crown to enforce religious laws. This is what is coming to America with the dissolution of the separation concept.

You're cheering for the wrong "government" in ignorance and because it suits your denominational agenda. Your fav punching bag, the RCC, is not the bogeyman. No man can serve two masters/governments. If, at the start, you had come out from among them and been separate, then your false dichotomy would have received even less airtime than it already has.

Trying to get an honest General Discussion going about the dangers of countenancing the abomination colloquially known as "separation of church and state" is like pulling teeth. Alas, hope springs eternal...

Folks are obsessed with salvation through politics, and your OP evinces the deceptive debris of that. I'll leave you to it.

 

[The Learner]

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[Brakelite]

religious liberty is [NOT] a God given right"

Then where did I get it from? Who gave it to me, this choice of how and who to worship?

You're cheering for the wrong "government" in ignorance and because it suits your denominational agenda

I'm cheering for the kingdom of God.

Your fav punching bag, the RCC, is not the bogeyman

As everyone says. You, and everyone else, is wrong.

Folks are obsessed with salvation through politics, and your OP evinces the deceptive debris of that. I'll leave you to it.

? Actually it's greatly more nuanced than that. Obsessed with being saved through politics? Not really. Obsessed with using politics to create a Christian nation, trusting in the government to accomplish what is the work of the holy Spirit, that's the issue. They have abandoned Jesus in favor of man.
I have no idea what this deceptive debris is alluding to. But what I wrote above must be rather confronting for you. Rome has been using politics, the kings and queens and presidents of the world to accomplish its ends for 1500 years now. Whether it's Catholic or Protestant doesn't matter. It's spiritual adultery.

 

[Riven]

Religious liberty is not a God given right. Any government can crush an individual under it's boot.

 

[Brakelite]

The RCC does acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God, but they do so very badly.

You have look a bit deeper than simple declarations of belief. Yes, the RCC acknowledges Jesus as the Son of God, but at the same time utterly deny Him by refusing to acknowledge justification through His blood. They are a church committed to salvation by works. Investigate the significance of the "treasury of merit."
The Catechism of the Catholic Church says this treasury is “the infinite value, which can never be exhausted, which Christ’s merits have before God,” and it also includes “the prayers and good works of the Blessed Virgin Mary” and “all the saints” These merits which can be given to ordinary Catholics that they may be saved are merits earned by Jesus, Mary and the saints above and beyond what was necessary for themselves to be saved..

 

[Brakelite]

You're the only one who has misconstrued my posts. The $64,000 question is, why?

Because no-one else can see through your contradictory arguments. You have correctly stated we are to live separately from the world. Excellent. Then you state that the church and state is not, and never should be, separated.
Elsewhere you speak about the worldliness of modern education and I couldn't agree more. Why do you think God worked through Adventists and established the second biggest education system in the world. But then you have no sympathy or empathy for those not in your fortunate position to homeschool their kids. You simply throw a condemnation blanket over everybody who have no choice but to send their kids to public school.
And to top it all off...

God ordains righteous government - not the pretender we have accepted in its place.

... you have the church indissolubly united to this pretender. And argue with me when I state the dangers of such union.

There is only one "right" mentioned in the Holy Bible: Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Rev. 22:14)

A right won for you by Another. Which side will stand with when the union of church and state that you so love legislates laws that contradict the commandments you speak of above? What rights will you uphold then? Those who actually do keep His commandments, or those who teach for commandments the doctrines of men who you are united with?

 

[Brakelite]

Religious liberty is not a God given right. Any government can crush an individual under it's boot.

My choice to worship God and honour Him according to conscience is absolutely my choice, regardless what the government thinks. They can and likely will throw me in jail or kill me after trying to bribe me with threats against house and income (the mark), but they cannot rule over the heart.

 

[Riven]

My choice to worship God and honour Him according to conscience is absolutely my choice, regardless what the government thinks. They can and likely will throw me in jail or kill me after trying to bribe me with threats against house and income (the mark), but they cannot rule over the heart.

But God given implies that it's enforced by God. It's more like it's a right guaranteed by governments that believe in a liberal democracy.

 

[The Learner]

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They just can't help themselves from trying to gaslight the people.
But we know the truth and we see them.

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[The Learner]

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[Ziggy]

We have kkk in our neigbhood and keep our camera's on them.

Cuba is Free!
The U.S Indicted Raul Castro who has been convicted under Grand Jury for murdering 4 humanitarian civilians in 1996.
The People's Army is uprising against the IRGC in Iran, fighting to take back their country.

While Democrats (Party of the KKK) play games and rob and steal from the people, the Republicans are bringing Liberty to the world.

Dan 5:25
And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.
Dan 5:26
This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
Dan 5:27
TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
Dan 5:28
PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

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[Brakelite]

But God given implies that it's enforced by God. It's more like it's a right guaranteed by governments that believe in a liberal democracy.

That depends on who you think God is and what He is like. Adam and Eve were given a choice. That they chose wrong didn't invoke retribution or revenge, but discipline to encourage right living in the future. When they sinned, they hid expecting God to kill them because of the promise, In the day you sin you shall surely die. They didn't take into account mercy. Of course they wouldn't because they hadn't experienced it before. We have, and have no excuse. God is not a tyrant. The right to choose is sacred. I do not look to government for my rights. As quickly as they give they take away. All good things are given from above.