What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

[amigo de christo]

Sudden destruction will fall upon them

many things that many now say , teach and or beleive MAKETH NO SENSE my friend .
but go ye into the tabernacle and see . Ye shall see a peoples whose desires were for the earthen
and their hopes be in men . A people ever learning but unable to see the simple TRUTH .
You will see the valley of pretzels and of swiss cheese .
A valley of many twisted doctrines with more holes than swiss cheese .
And a harlots love milk that has come to unify them again . With a solutoin for what she calls peace
and reconcilation . but her peace solution of interreligious dialgoue be of many anti christs
And her reconcilation is man with man , NOT the reconcilation of man to GOD .
HOW so you might ask .
SHE has denied the ONLY way to be reconciled to GOD , as had her interreligious dialgoue
as it has clearly stated we must now be one and that all religoins do serve the same God .
THE DIRE NECESSITY to BELEIVE ON CHRIST has indeed been denied .
And hands of muslims joins with hands of buddism , Talmud , and all religoins .
All believing this be the very will of GOD for to attain PEACE N SAFETY of the world .
but allow me to remind us all
THIS is whose peace it be of , BY PEACE SHALL HE DESTROY many .
ONLY an anti christ would do as it has done . And marvel not if they can appear in wool my friend
and be using the NAM E OF THE BLESSED SAVOIR JESUS , to simply preach rebellion in HIS name
as they present another very strange , d iverse , inclusive , sin accepting , UNBELIEF accepting god .
DO I need to say why i said god and noT GOD . CAUSE IT AINT GOD it is the dark one up to much evil .

 

[amigo de christo]

The Sabbath is part of God's covenant so its not keep the Sabbath or be Christ centered- keeping the Sabbath is Christ centered- joining ourselves to the LORD, serving the LORD, loving the name of the LORD. Why do you think God does not want to spend sacred time with us and how doing what God asks not Christ centered?

Is lawlessness the way we define it or does God. Lawlessness is breaking the law of God. Do we define God's laws or does God.

well do keep in mind that it is written man shall not lie with man as with woman .
Folks are terrified to death of that one . And worse while they argue , fight , strive over
Meats drinks and days , a thing which ought noT to even have been done ,
THEY HOLD TO sins , THEY hold now to a gospel OF UNbELIEF
as intefiath of anti christ has told them that ALL relligions be serving the same God
and that IT is HIS plan we all become as one for world peace n safety .
AND yall wanna aruge over meats drinks and days .
So again i will ask you , WHAT is your opinion of this ecumeincal intefaith interreligious plan
that so many now preach and hold too . Do you see it as a means for peace n safety
OR as i do , OF many antichrists to lead this world to the day of its own destruction .

 

[Angelina]

The Sabbath is part of God's covenant so its not keep the Sabbath or be Christ centered- keeping the Sabbath is Christ centered- joining ourselves to the LORD, serving the LORD, loving the name of the LORD. Why do you think God does not want to spend sacred time with us and how doing what God asks not Christ centered?

Is lawlessness the way we define it or does God. Lawlessness is breaking the law of God. Do we define God's laws or does God.

The Sabbath is the law of God. It came with the same penalty as not murdering our neighbor and committing adultery.

It literally left an entire generation out of the land full of milk and honey, their inheritance and God related breaking the Sabbath with another commandment- idol worship. Which shows even in the NT how breaking one commandment we break them all James 2:10-12



God does not have two different standards of judgement.

Why we are told in the NT not to follow in the same example of disobedience Heb4:11 we still need to enter our promised land.

“Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city” — Revelation 22:14 (NKJV)

I hear what you are saying, and I understand that from your perspective Sabbath observance is an expression of loving and serving God.

Where I think we are still not aligning is that I am not disputing whether the Sabbath has meaning, value, or connection to devotion to God. My question is narrower than that.

My question is specifically about covenant requirements under the New Testament for Gentile believers in Christ.

So I am not asking whether the Sabbath can be seen as Christ-centered devotion. I am asking whether the apostles explicitly bind seventh-day Sabbath observance as a covenant requirement upon Gentile believers in Christ in the same way Israel was commanded under Sinai.

On the question of lawlessness, I agree that God defines sin. I am not suggesting otherwise. My point is that the New Testament itself becomes the place where covenant obligation is defined and applied to the church under Christ.

So I am trying to stay focused on that distinction between what is good and meaningful in Scripture and what is explicitly required as a covenant obligation for Gentile believers in the apostolic teaching.

That is still where I see the main difference between us.

 

[LawofLove]

I hear what you are saying, and I understand that from your perspective Sabbath observance is an expression of loving and serving God.

Where I think we are still not aligning is that I am not disputing whether the Sabbath has meaning, value, or connection to devotion to God. My question is narrower than that.

My question is specifically about covenant requirements under the New Testament for Gentile believers in Christ.

So I am not asking whether the Sabbath can be seen as Christ-centered devotion. I am asking whether the apostles explicitly bind seventh-day Sabbath observance as a covenant requirement upon Gentile believers in Christ in the same way Israel was commanded under Sinai.

On the question of lawlessness, I agree that God defines sin. I am not suggesting otherwise. My point is that the New Testament itself becomes the place where covenant obligation is defined and applied to the church under Christ.

So I am trying to stay focused on that distinction between what is good and meaningful in Scripture and what is explicitly required as a covenant obligation for Gentile believers in the apostolic teaching.

That is still where I see the main difference between us.

This question was answered by God. God speaks of covenant continuity, not changing His standard of righteousness from one covenant to another.

What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

@LawofLove, In Hebrews 4, I think the key issue is how we understand the nature of the “rest” being described. I agree the passage draws on the seventh day from Genesis, and I agree that God’s rest is real and meaningful. Where we differ is whether Hebrews 4 is re-establishing seventh-day...

www.christianityboard.com

I will just agree to disagree.

Be well. :)

 

[Angelina]

This question was answered by God.

What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

@LawofLove, In Hebrews 4, I think the key issue is how we understand the nature of the “rest” being described. I agree the passage draws on the seventh day from Genesis, and I agree that God’s rest is real and meaningful. Where we differ is whether Hebrews 4 is re-establishing seventh-day...

www.christianityboard.com

I will just agree to disagree.

Be well. :)

@LawofLove,

I appreciate the time and seriousness you’ve put into this discussion. I understand that we have reached different conclusions from the same texts, and I respect your conviction.

I would just clarify that my question was not about whether the Sabbath is meaningful or part of God’s revelation, but specifically about explicit apostolic instruction requiring Gentile believers in Christ to observe it as a covenant obligation under the New Testament.

Since we are reading the same passages through different covenant frameworks, I agree that continuing further likely won’t resolve that difference between us.

Thank you again for the conversation, and I wish you well as well.

 

[amigo de christo]

This question was answered by God.

What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

@LawofLove, In Hebrews 4, I think the key issue is how we understand the nature of the “rest” being described. I agree the passage draws on the seventh day from Genesis, and I agree that God’s rest is real and meaningful. Where we differ is whether Hebrews 4 is re-establishing seventh-day...

www.christianityboard.com

I will just agree to disagree.

Be well. :)

Many moons ago in the time of the apostels a serious question came up for debate .
They too strived over it for a bit . THEN later sent men to JERUSALEM
for to consider of this matter . And with dialgoue and confirmation of the SPIRIT
they concluded something .
What was it .
Later paul would speak of it as well .
What did they conclude concering the gentiles . and later why would paul say
let no man judge you in meat , drinks and days .
And in another letter
write and say LET no man judge you in observations of the new moon ,
of the sabbath .
I honestly have zero problem with the sabbath day or its being observed .
My problem is with those who condemn others who do not DO as they do CONCERNING such things .
Let each simply be fully persauded in his own mind .
As far as sins , OH that must be corrected and ceased immediately .
As for meats drinks and days , Let each be fully persauded in their mind .
And let he who eats not JUDGE him that eats
And let him who eats not TRY and convince the other TO eat .
TO the weak simply eat as they eat while amongst them . if they celebrate church on the sabbath
celebrate with them . DO as the weaker only LET NOT doubtful disspusations continue .
ITS JUST meats , drinks and days . some honor one day above another , some see every day alike .
ITS not about meats drinks and days , but about joy of the SPIRIT , RIGHTEOUSNESS .

 

[LawofLove]

@LawofLove,

I appreciate the time and seriousness you’ve put into this discussion. I understand that we have reached different conclusions from the same texts, and I respect your conviction.

I would just clarify that my question was not about whether the Sabbath is meaningful or part of God’s revelation, but specifically about explicit apostolic instruction requiring Gentile believers in Christ to observe it as a covenant obligation under the New Testament.

Since we are reading the same passages through different covenant frameworks, I agree that continuing further likely won’t resolve that difference between us.

Thank you again for the conversation, and I wish you well as well.

It literally kept an entire generation out of their inheritance, because the condition of receiving it was loving God with all their heart, mind and soul as we see in Deut6- fearing God and keeping His commandments, mans all Ecc12:13-14

They didn't do this, love God will all their heart and God tells us the reason why they lost their land full of milk and honey, their inheritance, over the same thing you're claiming we do not have to keep

“So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols” — Ezekiel 20:15–16 (NKJV)

If you think we do not have to love God with all our heart, mind and soul despite Jesus quoting OT and saying there are no greater commandments than these, which included the Sabbath, because that is the reason God said they could not enter, they failed the condition to love God with all their heart.

If you think God is going to just wink at our rebellion and disobedience despite NT telling us not to follow in the same example of disobedience Heb4:11 and He loves us more than the people He rescued out of Egypt (bondage) and called them His son, I guess we shall see.

The law of God did not change from the OT to the NT its still for those who love Him Exo20:6 John14:15 the endurance of God's saints Rev14:12 just the way God said because He is God and no one is greater than He to change a jot or tittle. Mat5:18-19 Psa89:34 Ecc3:14 those who did was against the will of God Dan7:25

I guess it will all get sorted out soon enough.

 

[Angelina]

It literally kept an entire generation out of their inheritance, because the condition of receiving it was loving God with all their heart, mind and soul as we see in Deut6- fearing God and keeping His commandments, mans all Ecc12:13-14

They didn't do this, love God will all their heart and God tells us the reason why they lost their land full of milk and honey, their inheritance, over the same thing you're claiming we do not have to keep



If you think we do not have to love God with all our heart, mind and soul despite Jesus quoting OT and saying there are no greater commandments than these, which included the Sabbath, because that is the reason God said they could not enter, they failed the condition to love God with all their heart.

If you think God is going to just wink at our rebellion and disobedience despite NT telling us not to follow in the same example of disobedience Heb4:11 and He loves us more than the people He rescued out of Egypt (bondage) and called them His son, I guess we shall see.

The law of God did not change from the OT to the NT its still for those who love Him Exo20:6 John14:15 the endurance of God's saints Rev14:12 just the way God said because He is God and no one is greater than He to change a jot or tittle. Mat5:18-19 Psa89:34 Ecc3:14 those who did was against the will of God Dan7:25

I guess it will all get sorted out soon enough.

@LawofLove,
I respect that you are trying to be faithful to Scripture as you understand it. But I need to clarify something important about the way the debate has shifted.

My original question was very specific: where does the New Testament explicitly instruct Gentile believers in Christ to observe the seventh-day Sabbath as a covenant requirement? That question is about apostolic instruction to the church under the new covenant.

The direction of the discussion has now moved from that question into covenant warnings drawn from Israel’s history and prophetic judgment narratives. I understand why those passages are meaningful to you, but they are not a direct answer to the question that was being asked.

Which I will state again. I do not see the New Testament explicitly binding seventh-day Sabbath observance on Gentile believers in the way you are describing.

At this point, we are not just interpreting the same texts differently, we are working from different assumptions about how covenant obligation is defined in the New Testament.

Because of that, I don’t think continuing the discussion will bring further clarity. I’ll leave it here as well, and I wish you peace and sincerity in your walk with God.

 

[David in NJ]

Post the scriptures along with your claims.

i did = John chapter 3

In John chapter 3, the LORD reiterates Exodus 31:12-17 in His Fullness of Understanding

KEY - CHRIST is LORD of the Sabbath, therefore HE Alone knew 'why' HE gave it to Moses/Israel

 

[LawofLove]

@LawofLove,
I respect that you are trying to be faithful to Scripture as you understand it. But I need to clarify something important about the way the debate has shifted.

My original question was very specific: where does the New Testament explicitly instruct Gentile believers in Christ to observe the seventh-day Sabbath as a covenant requirement? That question is about apostolic instruction to the church under the new covenant.

The direction of the discussion has now moved from that question into covenant warnings drawn from Israel’s history and prophetic judgment narratives. I understand why those passages are meaningful to you, but they are not a direct answer to the question that was being asked.

Which I will state again. I do not see the New Testament explicitly binding seventh-day Sabbath observance on Gentile believers in the way you are describing.

At this point, we are not just interpreting the same texts differently, we are working from different assumptions about how covenant obligation is defined in the New Testament.

Because of that, I don’t think continuing the discussion will bring further clarity. I’ll leave it here as well, and I wish you peace and sincerity in your walk with God.

Paul said keeping the commandments of God is what matters. The Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the LORD. The apotles taught we ought to obey God over man. Acts 5:29

You keep isolating this one commandment as if its a standalone commandment when God or the apotles did not. Its all part of the New Covenant written in the heart of God's believers. If we are not subjecting ourselves to the law of God, we might want to consider asking God for His help Rom8:7-8

 

[amigo de christo]

i did = John chapter 3

In John chapter 3, the LORD reiterates Exodus 31:12-17 in His Fullness of Understanding

KEY - CHRIST is LORD of the Sabbath, therefore HE Alone knew 'why' HE gave it to Moses/Israel

Another key . what was within the law was a pattern of
what would come and fullfill . the old the pattern of but NOT THE VERY HEAVENLY ITSELF .
in other words
if we would look , SEE , we had seen even the sabbath rest would itself POINT TO HE who can give man
REST from all his labors , his very labors by which a man cannot be justfied .
As jacob dreamed a dream and saw a ladder
from heaven to earth with angels ascending and descending upon it .
MANY moons later , BY PLAN OF GOD , this ladder , THIS CONNECTED TO GOD and man
WOULD say to a apostel .
You believe because i said i saw you under the tree .
YE shall see greater miracles than these .
YOU shall see the HEAVENES OPENDED and the angels of GOD ascending and descending UPON THE SON OF MAN .
The HEAVENLY would replace the tabernacle made by hands which was patterend AFTER the heavenly
BUT NOT the HEAVENLY ITSELF . There are many nuggets of golden TRUTH
that can surely be found from within the pages of THIS HOLY BIBLE . Things
CHRIST HIMSELF would come to FULFILL and FULLIFLL HE SURELY DID . but many still cling to the earthen
and to the old and they do not serve the HEAVENLY tabernacle of GOD and OF HIS CHRIST .

 

[Angelina]

Paul said keeping the commandments of God is what matters. The Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the LORD. The apotles taught we ought to obey God over man. Acts 5:29

You keep isolating this one commandment as if its a standalone commandment when God or the apotles did not. Its all part of the New Covenant written in the heart of God's believers. If we are not subjecting ourselves to the law of God, we might want to consider asking God for His help Rom8:7-8

@LawofLove, I understand the point you are making, and I also understand that you see the discussion as still unresolved.

But I need to clarify something directly.

I have not been avoiding your question. I have answered it consistently from my position: I do not see an explicit New Testament instruction requiring Gentile believers in Christ to observe the seventh-day Sabbath as a covenant obligation.

Where we are continuing to differ from how we understand covenant continuity and how the New Testament defines covenant obligation under Christ.

At this point, repeating the same passages over and over is not bringing any new clarity, because we are reading them through different covenant frameworks.

So I will leave the discussion here. I respect your conviction, and I wish you well.

 

[David in NJ]

This question was answered by God. God speaks of covenant continuity, not changing His standard of righteousness from one covenant to another.

What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

@LawofLove, In Hebrews 4, I think the key issue is how we understand the nature of the “rest” being described. I agree the passage draws on the seventh day from Genesis, and I agree that God’s rest is real and meaningful. Where we differ is whether Hebrews 4 is re-establishing seventh-day...

www.christianityboard.com

I will just agree to disagree.

Be well. :)

Good Morning,

God's Answer to your question(s) on Sabbath Rest begins in Hebrews chapter 1

On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets.
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

The Son is the radiance of God’s Glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

God Bless

 

[LawofLove]

@LawofLove, I understand the point you are making, and I also understand that you see the discussion as still unresolved.

But I need to clarify something directly.

I have not been avoiding your question. I have answered it consistently from my position: I do not see an explicit New Testament instruction requiring Gentile believers in Christ to observe the seventh-day Sabbath as a covenant obligation.

Where we are continuing to differ from how we understand covenant continuity and how the New Testament defines covenant obligation under Christ.

At this point, repeating the same passages over and over is not bringing any new clarity, because we are reading them through different covenant frameworks.

So I will leave the discussion here. I respect your conviction, and I wish you well.

Well I hope that works out with you. God said something different, the Sabbath was made for man and for everyone who loves and serves Him and it remains for God's people. Seems like an easy choice for me, but I guess God will sort it all out.

 

[amigo de christo]

i did = John chapter 3

In John chapter 3, the LORD reiterates Exodus 31:12-17 in His Fullness of Understanding

KEY - CHRIST is LORD of the Sabbath, therefore HE Alone knew 'why' HE gave it to Moses/Israel

It is written , no man of the priest hood could approach the tabernacle
if he had any blemish , such as mole , such a broken limbs , such as dwarf .
The pattern of the heavenly but NOT the very heavenly itself .
But what i say to one i say to all
WE HAVE a GREAT HIGH PREIST , WHOM from within
Had no blemish who has indeed ENTERED not into the earthern
BUT INTO THE HEAVENLY itself .
OH a change has been made all right . And the old POINTED TO THIS ONE who was to come
AND TO FULLFILL and FULLFILL HE SURELY DID .
What did samuel say to himself about the first born son of JESSEE
when he saw the wonderous stature of this son . THIS ONE MUST be the ONE GOD called me to annoint .
WHAT DID GOD say to Samuel . LOOK NOT on HIS OUTWARD appearance
That indeed GOD looks not upon the outer but upon THE INNER .
NOW to every jew and gentile i now say
WHEN SEEKING any priest , any leader , any savoir
SEEK YE HE who was without blemish ON THE INSIDE .
And boy that just ruled out all of mankind . BUT NOT JESUS . HE ALONE was the ONE without SPOT
without sin . And i know that might sound like blasphemy to some ,
cause they might say , hEY AMIGO you idiot , NO MAN is without sin . ONLY GOD HIMSELF is without blemish .
TO which is say , CORRECT INDEED . THE WORD was in the beginning
and the WORD was with GOD and the Word was GOD and the WORD became flesh .
THAT BE JESUS and that ALONE is who saved us.
AS JESUS told them when they asked him , LORD who then can be saved .
WELL WITH MAN ITS IMPOSSIBLE , buT NOT with ................................GOD . IMMANUEL means something .

 

[LawofLove]

Good Morning,

God's Answer to your question(s) on Sabbath Rest begins in Hebrews chapter 1

On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets.
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

The Son is the radiance of God’s Glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

God Bless

Those verses do not say that the Sabbath started in Heb 1. The Universe started at Creation when God made the Sabbath thus saith the LORD. The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment of God. Luke23:56

People should consider elevating what God said over man-made ideas. Why He told us not to edit Him and its sad people just gloss over it. Deut4:2 Ecc3:14 Rev22:18 Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19

The Sabbath rest started at Creation and God always connected the Sabbath with the seventh day- they are interchangeable.

““So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world
For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”” — Hebrews 4:3–4 (NKJV)

Exo20:11 “For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it” — Exodus 20:11 (NKJV)

No one can re-define what God defined. Its getting into that idol worship again that He warned about Eze20:15-16 replacing the word of God with man-made ideas.

 

[David in NJ]

Post the scriptures along with your claims.

By the Way, your post #334 was very delicious and nutritious - thank you

 

[amigo de christo]

i did = John chapter 3

In John chapter 3, the LORD reiterates Exodus 31:12-17 in His Fullness of Understanding

KEY - CHRIST is LORD of the Sabbath, therefore HE Alone knew 'why' HE gave it to Moses/Israel

YE have heard it said that we shall simply agree to disagree .
But often what a whopper of a mistake that one was and is .
DO you think paul would have said to an urpentant sinner
who justifies his sins or anyone elses sins
OKAY BUDDY , lets just agree to disagree , hug and get along .
OR
OR
Would he have REBUKED such a one and even put them OUT of the church
TILL they repented of said sin and justifying of sins .
But boy has s eeker friendly did major damage . and all in the name of what it calls love and it considers to be loving .
I say WE AGREE ONLY WITH THE WHAT GOD has clearly made known .
IT IS TO HE , HIS CHRIST that we OWE ALL . That we ought to have put FIRST before all .
Anything contrary to that is not THE LOVE OF GOD , nor is it love , noR will it work to the good
of any who do so . SO lets look at the TRUTH again .
HERE is the order of who and what WE PUT FIRST before all .
GOD and HIS CHRIST . and if we omit HIS words , WHY WE AINT PUTTING HIM FIRST at all .
Pretty simple if ya ask me . THE CREATOR OF ALL , OUGHT BE PUT FIRST above all .
Not a mother , not a daughter , not a dad , not a son , not anything COMETH BEFORE HIM .
I sure wish christendom would learn that real quickly too .

 

[Angelina]

Well I hope that works out with you. God said something different, the Sabbath was made for man and for everyone who loves and serves Him and it remains for God's people. Seems like an easy choice for me, but I guess God will sort it all out.

Sister @LawofLove. It has always worked out for me. I have been a believer for 40-plus years, and my relationship with Jesus is as strong as ever. Thank you for our discussion. It is also so easy for me. Bless your heart.

 

[LawofLove]

Sister @LawofLove. It has always worked out for me. I have been a believer for 40-plus years, and my relationship with Jesus is as strong as ever. Thank you for our discussion. It is also so easy for me. Bless your heart.

I wish you well in seeking the Truth of God's Word and pray that our hearts can be molded to His will, I hope to see you on the other side, hope we can stand in His Glory at His Second Coming. Please consider what our heavenly Father asked us to Remember. God just wants to spend sacred time with us on the day He set aside blessed and sanctified to do so. I know the world teaches something different, our loyalty needs to be with God.

Be well.