Reason for The Crusades explained

[Matthias]

"Pacifism?" Is NOT a correct way in the "Physical Application/s" of "Righteous Indignation!"

It’s my understanding that you’re a retired truck driver. I respect that, and I wouldn’t dream of saying that you have no convictions.

You may have been a terrific truck driver, but you haven’t read the Ante Nicene Church Fathers. Now that you have more free time on your hands, I encourage you to read them.




They too have convictions. One of their convictions, and one of mine, is that followers of Jesus must not kill their enemies.

@Wrangler is dragging them.

 

[Matthias]

Yeah? Matthias, and others, are of a (how can I say) "Brand of churcianitists" that are usually referred to as "Buffet christians", or "Cherry Picking" christians, operating under the more generalized umbrella aka "C.I.N.O.'s!"
It is because of their "arduous endeavors" of abiding"strictly (cherry picking)" Jesus and the Apostles "pacifistic" role, while at the same time "totally ignoring and rejecting" ANY and ALL ways and means of employing "Righteous Indignation?" aka "LEGALISM!"

One could well say to in very accurate assessment? They have?........Well basically? "Hamstrung Themselves" from any and
all efforts of offering up those Spiritual Sacrifices that Jesus Christ of Nazareth would, or will accept as being "Accepted" BY God!

No one refers to Spurgeon and the Ante Nicene Fathers that way. Read them and you’ll find that out for yourself.

Before you do, please read Romans 13 again. Spurgeon, the Ante Nicene Fathers, and I hold the position that Paul expresses there.

 

[NayborBear]

Few in the group which supports war would say that spiritual war against physical war is evil. I invite my readers to post quotes from those who do.

Would you be of occasion in your "interpretation/s" of "spiritually APPLIED spiritual war?"
For your "readers"and the rest of us you "claim" are "in the dark?"

 

[Wrangler]

It is because of their "arduous endeavors" of abiding"strictly (cherry picking)" Jesus and the Apostles "pacifistic" role, while at the same time "totally ignoring and rejecting" ANY and ALL ways and means of employing "Righteous Indignation?" aka "LEGALISM!"

What I refer to as the soulful v over-spiritualized dichotomy. Justice is not a subset of legalism.

One could well say to in very accurate assessment? They have?........Well basically? "Hamstrung Themselves" from any and
all efforts of offering up those Spiritual Sacrifices that Jesus Christ of Nazareth would, or will accept as being "Accepted" BY God!

It comes down to prideful, thinking , believing they are above doing the practical necessities of life.

 

[Matthias]

Would you be of occasion in your "interpretation/s" of "spiritually APPLIED spiritual war?"
For your "readers"and the rest of us you "claim" are "in the dark?"

I refer you and my readers again to the teaching of Jesus and the apostles and the example they set for the followers of Jesus. I also refer you to church history and a wide variety of writings by Christian authors.

 

[Matthias]

What I refer to as the soulful v over-spiritualized dichotomy.


It comes down to prideful, thinking , believing they are above doing the practical necessities of life.

See the example set by Jesus, the apostles, and Christians for the first three centuries of Christian history. To say, “It comes down to prideful, thinking, believing they are above the practical necessities of life” about them is a bold move by your concealed identity church, and one that is easily countered.

@NayborBear @Armour of God

 

[NayborBear]

Before you do, please read Romans 13 again. Spurgeon, the Ante Nicene Fathers, and I hold the position that Paul expresses there.

But, have you strove in even "exploring" all the many "Mysteries" the Apostle Paul couldn't "relate" TO "Breast Feeding" Christians at that time?
I can tell you? There WAS a time in my own spiritual "Learnings, and BEING Learnt?" Where I saw "Christ's Church" to which I "labelled" at that time as "the church of Paulene Epistles!"
Until I was "learnt?" "It wasn't on Paul atall!" ()
the "fault" is laid squarely on the shoulders of those "breast feeding believers that would NOT grow up TO THE MEAT!"
To the which includes all these Nicene Fathers of yesteryear you are so want of declaring, up TO this present time!

 

[NayborBear]

It comes down to prideful, thinking , believing they are above doing the practical necessities of life.

Yeah? Is what I refer to as "Cruising down that Apostasetic Avenue!"

 

[Matthias]

But, have you strove in even "exploring" all the many "Mysteries" the Apostle Paul couldn't "relate" TO "Breast Feeding" Christians at that time?
I can tell you? There WAS a time in my own spiritual "Learnings, and BEING Learnt?" Where I saw "Christ's Church" to which I "labelled" at that time as "the church of Paulene Epistles!"
Until I was "learnt?" "It wasn't on Paul atall!" ()
the "fault" is laid squarely on the shoulders of those "breast feeding believers that would NOT grow up TO THE MEAT!"
To the which includes all these Nicene Fathers of yesteryear you are so want of declaring, up TO this present time!

Church history.

 

[Wrangler]

Yeah? Is what I refer to as "Cruising down that Apostasetic Avenue!"

It explains the prophetic falling away as the feminized church has lost all its soul. It’s become largely an impotent, theologically masturbating organization, boasting of their own holiness - as measured by what they DON’T do - while paying lip service to God’s glory and modeling themselves after Christ.

Jesus didn’t figuratively suffer on a cross, figuratively fast for 40 days in the dessert, or grill figurative fish for his hungry friends at the Sea of Galilee. All of this is a masterclass in worldly, carnal, fleshy struggle - and overcoming the end of physical life and total, absolute, final death. These over-spiritualized sloths can’t bother to lift physical food to their mouth to nourish their body.

 

[Matthias]

It explains the prophetic falling away as the feminized church has lost all its soul. It’s become largely an impotent, theologically masturbating organization, boasting of their own holiness - as measured by what they DON’T do - while paying lip service to God’s glory and modeling themselves after Christ.

Jesus didn’t figuratively suffer on a cross, figuratively fast for 40 days in the dessert, or grill figurative fish for his hungry friends at the Sea of Galilee. All of this is a masterclass in worldly, carnal, fleshy struggle - and overcoming the end of physical life and total, absolute, final death. These over-spiritualized sloths can’t bother to lift physical food to their mouth to nourish their body.

Three points for my readers to consider in regard to your post:

1. The church in the Apostolic and Ante Nicene periods of church history wasn’t feminized, etc.
2. The church which Spurgeon pastored wasn’t feminized, etc.
3. The teacher of the concealed identity church doesn’t practice what he teaches.

 

[Wrangler]

On this holiday, Memorial Day, we observe the anti-Christ’s dissing what Christians of generations past deemed worthy to honor by a national holiday in our Christian nation, REMEMBERING the heroes of the past who bestowed to us God’s greatest gift besides Life, which is Liberty by sacrificing on the field of battle against those who would PHYSICALLY take it from us.

May we always be Free to discuss and debate our religion. Amen!

 

[Matthias]

On this holiday, Memorial Day, we observe the anti-Christ’s dissing what Christians of generations past deemed worthy to honor by a national holiday in our Christian nation, REMEMBERING the heroes of the past who bestowed to us God’s greatest gift besides Life, which is Liberty by sacrificing on the field of battle against those who would take it from us.

May we always be Free to discuss and debate our religion. Amen!

Spurgeon was never on board your ship.

Why did you say he is one of your favorite Christian authors, then turn around and drag him through the mud?

 

[Matthias]

“The early church, for centuries, resolutely held to New Testament gospel peace. An important document on church order in the third century, for example, listed soldiering alongside brothel keepers, gladiators, idol makers, astrologers, and prostitutes as professions forbidden to those seeking church membership: the man ‘who wants to become a soldier is to be rejected, for he has despised God,’ it concludes.

This changed when the church later sold out on holiness to gain political influence by cosying up to the state, in what historians call ‘Christendom’. The effect of that was disastrous, for the world and for the church. As a result, today many people reject Christianity because they can point to the role it has had in crusades, wars, torture, and the like, down the ages. That is our greatest shame and for many today the greatest obstacle to the gospel - an obstacle we reinforce every time we justify Christian soldiering.

But at each stage of church history, particularly at periods of great revival and reformation when the scriptures have been rediscovered, Christian movements and thinkers have arisen who have returned to the New Testament model of gospel peace. …

So it is perhaps no surprise that the thinkers I return to again and again in the book are Baptist ministers Martin Luther King and Charles Haddon Spurgeon, who are both implacable critics of war and advocates of what I call gospel peace. …”

(The Baptist Times, “The evangelical case against war … and for gospel peace”

The evangelical case against war

Should the Church ever support war? No, argues Nick Megoran, author of Warlike Christians in an Age of Violence

www.baptist.org.uk

I was raised Baptist and I’ve spoken about the contribution ministers like Spurgeon had on the formation of my Christian identity. I was a boy when MLK was assassinated. I haven’t spoken about it much but that too contributed to my identity formation.

@Wrangler and his concealed identity church has made plain for all to see what he thinks about those influences.

I don’t own a copy of Megoran’s book and haven’t read it. I’m adding it to my list, thanks to Wrangler.

@Armour of God @NayborBear

P.S.

The book is a little more expensive than I want to pay right now.



This book I just purchased used for $4.00+tax and shipping.

My thanks again to Wrangler for indirectly steering me to this Baptist author.

 

[Anchorite]

Christian Pacifism

excerpt from Christian Pacifism, by Myron S. Augsburger

intervarsity.org

 

[Wrangler]

Audie Leon Murphy (June 20, 1925 – May 28, 1971)[1]was an American soldier, actor, and songwriter. He was widely celebrated as the most decorated American combat soldier of World War II,[4] and has been described as the most highly decorated enlisted soldier in U.S. history.[5][6] He received every military combat award for valor available from the United States Army, as well as French and Belgian awards for heroism.


From AI,
Audie Murphy was generally described as a Christian, and some sources specifically call him Catholic, though his religious life was not heavily publicized.[orderofcenturions +2]
He also became a Freemason later in life, which is separate from his personal Christian identity.[myfreemasonry +1]

 

[Matthias]

Audie Leon Murphy (June 20, 1925 – May 28, 1971)[1]was an American soldier, actor, and songwriter. He was widely celebrated as the most decorated American combat soldier of World War II,[4] and has been described as the most highly decorated enlisted soldier in U.S. history.[5][6] He received every military combat award for valor available from the United States Army, as well as French and Belgian awards for heroism.


From AI,
Audie Murphy was generally described as a Christian, and some sources specifically call him Catholic, though his religious life was not heavily publicized.[orderofcenturions +2]
He also became a Freemason later in life, which is separate from his personal Christian identity.[myfreemasonry +1]

World War II Hero/Movie Star Audie Murphy Was “Plagued by Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome,” Baylor Historian Says | Newswise

The isolation that combat veterans often feel exists between themselves and civilians hit Audie Murphy — World War II’s most decorated hero — full force on V-E Day, when World War II ended in Europe, and a Baylor University historian suggests Murphy displayed post-traumatic stress disorder long...

www.newswise.com

If you aren’t already aware of it, read about his severe private suffering. What he did in the war destroyed him psychologically. “No peace within.” That’s not what Jesus wants for his followers.

P.S.

You should read this interview.

https://audiemurphy.com/clippings/1971-08-29_ExpressNews.pdf

”I leave you peace. My peace I give to you; not as the world gives, I give to you. Don’t let your heart be troubled, neither let it be fearful.”

(John 14:27, WEB)

Audie Murphy didn’t have that peace; nor did he have that heart.

 

[Anchorite]

 

[Matthias]

It explains the prophetic falling away as the feminized church has lost all its soul. It’s become largely an impotent, theologically masturbating organization, boasting of their own holiness - as measured by what they DON’T do - while paying lip service to God’s glory and modeling themselves after Christ.

Jesus didn’t figuratively suffer on a cross, figuratively fast for 40 days in the dessert, or grill figurative fish for his hungry friends at the Sea of Galilee. All of this is a masterclass in worldly, carnal, fleshy struggle - and overcoming the end of physical life and total, absolute, final death. These over-spiritualized sloths can’t bother to lift physical food to their mouth to nourish their body.

Billy Graham Crusades. Do you remember them? Do you remember him?

“Did Billy Graham approve of the concept of holy wars?”

AI Overview answers -

“Billy Graham categorically rejected the concept of physical ‘holy war’ or religious violence. He taught that Christianity is a spiritual kingdom, meaning believers should not fight for their faith using physical weapons. Instead, he defined warfare as an exclusively spiritual battle against sin and Satan, fought through prayer, scripture, and the Gospel.

Graham’s foundational stance on the concept of holy war breaks down into several key areas:

1. Rejection of Physical Violence for Religion

Graham maintained that true Christians are citizens of a spiritual kingdom and are explicitly forbidden from waging physical war to advance the Gospel or defend their religion. He taught that any Christian fighting in a ‘holy war’ misunderstood the teachings of Jesus, whose kingdom is not of this world.

2. The Real Enemy is Satan

Rather than targeting flesh-and-blood people - such as different nations, political groups, or opposing faiths - Graham taught that the Christians true adversary is Satan and spiritual dakness. He heavily emphasized thst this spiritual battle cannot be won with earthly weapons, but rather through the piwer of the Holy Spirit, prayer, and the faithful proclamation of God’s Word.

’Crusades’ as Spiritual Campaigns

While Graham used the term ‘Crusades’ to describe his massive evangelistic events, he used it purely as a synonym for a ‘spiritual revival’. For Graham, the goal of a crusade was not to conquer territory or vanquish human enemies, but rather to ‘stake a claim for Jesus’ by winning individual souls and offering them inner peace.

4. The Promise of Ultimate Peace

Graham frequently addressed the reality of geopolitical conflicts, tracing the root of all wars back to human greed, hatred, and the influence of sin. He emphasized that human efforts alone could not bring lasting world peace, and he looked strictly to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ as the only event that would permanently end all wars and destruction.”

I think that’s a pretty fair summary. The influence of Billy Graham on the formation of my spiritual identity as a youth in the Southern Baptist Church shouldn’t be difficult for you to see.

@Armour of God @NayborBear

What you think about Billy Graham in general and Southern Baptists in particular will be of interest to my Southern Baptist readers.

 

[Matthias]

“As one might expect when talking about Billy Graham, scripture was at the heart of what led to his ‘conversion’ to peacemaking. ‘I have gone back to the Bible to restudy what it says about the responsibilities we have as peacemakers,’ Graham said. ‘I have seen that we must seek the good of the whole human race, and not just the good of any one nation or race.’ He added, ‘Is it [God’s] will that resources be used for massive armaments that could otherwise be used for alleviating human suffering and hunger? Of course not. Our world has lost sight of true values and substituted false gods and false values.’

Graham talked about the unique role that Christians are called to play. ‘I believe that the Christian especially has a responsibility to work for peace in our world,’ Graham said. ‘Christians may well find themselves working and agreeing with non-believers on an issue like peace. But our motives will not be identical.’ And the goal, as he saw it, was the ‘total destruction of nuclear arms.’”

(Jim Wallis, “Billy Graham’s Conversion To Peace”)

Billy Graham’s Change of Heart on Nuclear Weapons

The goal, Graham said, is the "total destruction of nuclear arms."

sojo.net

@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear

“We do not use the weapons of the world.” - Paul, whose teaching and example you don’t follow

There is no bigger sword / weapon of the world than nuclear arms. Can you imagine what the Muslims and the crusaders would have done with them if they had had them at their disposal?

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Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Just War Principles - First Things

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