The Prophetic Feasts of Israel

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In light of John 7:39, it is amazing how powerful a lie can be when it has been repeated over and over again in opposition to the truth. Just because most of the denominations of church-ianity believe the paganistic lie of the RCC, it doesn't make it to be truth!!
Receiving the HS wasn't available to OT folks except for the occasional temporary prophecies that were revealed. This is just part of the NT. John 7:39 doesn't say anything about the souls, just that the HS hadn't come yet. That's what Pentecost was for.
 

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Receiving the HS wasn't available to OT folks except for the occasional temporary prophecies that were revealed. This is just part of the NT. John 7:39 doesn't say anything about the souls, just that the HS hadn't come yet. That's what Pentecost was for.
John is talking in future tense, looking at the past in John 7:39. In other words what will be is here now. You are a soul, it doesn't come later; it gets quickened by the Holy Spirit.
 
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I hate break it to you, but read all the blessings and curses in Deuteronomy and Exodus. When Judea and Israel broke the covenant by disobedience and being worse than the nations God drove out before the Israelites. God said He wanted Israel (northern kingdom) removed out of His sight 2 Kings 17:18, and when the Babylonian exiles returned. there was 400 yrs of no God or prophets, and no Arc of the covenant. All prophecies fulfilled with Jesus.
Case in point. In Deuteronomy 11 God says He will divide the Euphrates river. Guess what, the Euphrates is not a river anymore, its a creek.
Rockerduck: noted:

<pagans>
The nations were/are pagans, no respect for human life.

<out of His sight>
The Jews are back now, the only time in history that an ancient nation has reappeared.

The penalty for one sin is death and hell, something we cannot fathom, because we are not holy. We are not good and bad, we are bad and worse.
 

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Rockerduck: noted:

<pagans>
The nations were/are pagans, no respect for human life.

<out of His sight>
The Jews are back now, the only time in history that an ancient nation has reappeared.

The penalty for one sin is death and hell, something we cannot fathom, because we are not holy. We are not good and bad, we are bad and worse.
once again, when they came back from Babylonian exile, they never left. Israel never disappeared and reappeared. Don't believe me, look up the History of it.
 
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Jeremiah 30:3: - 3 For behold, the days are coming,' says the Lord, 'that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,' says the Lord. 'And I will cause them to return to the earth that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.'"​

Note God causes them to return to "His Earth" that he created.
Jeremiah 30:3 is Hebrew ארץ = land. They indeed miraculously returned to the *land* that God *gave* them.

There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.
 
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Receiving the HS wasn't available to OT folks except for the occasional temporary prophecies that were revealed. This is just part of the NT. John 7:39 doesn't say anything about the souls, just that the HS hadn't come yet. That's what Pentecost was for.
My point is, since God is only a Spirit, His deepest desire has always been to live/dwell within each of us permanently.
But, ever since man had fallen from their innocence of MIND and into sin, God has never been able to permanently dwell within His creation of man, until the Day that Jesus became "the Lamb of God who taketh away the sin of the world".
 
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Jeremiah 30:3 is Hebrew ארץ = land. They indeed miraculously returned to the *land* that God *gave* them.

There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.

William, H:0776 has whatever meaning that you want to give it. I have no problems with that, however
this is the Hebrew text for Jeremiah 30:3: -
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And this is the text that God said that He would give them the whole earth as their inheritance: -
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And this is the text where God told Abram to leave his country and to go into the earth that He would show him:-
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And this is the text where we are told that God the earth:-
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Now if we compare the Hebrew word used in each case, we can see the similarities: -
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Now I know that the translators used the English word "land" in Gen 12:1, Gen 15:7 and Jer 30:3, but did the translators convey the right context for each of these four verses.

I would strongly suggest to you that in all four cases the Hebrew words found in each verse referenced above should be "the earth" for the right context of the Hebrew text to be transferred into the English Text.

Daniel 7: 27 states it this way: -

Daniel 7:26-27: -
26 'But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it at the end of this time.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

I do not believe that Daniel was referencing just the Land of Israel when he penned this prophecy but that he was referencing the whole earth.

Jeremiah in Jer 30:3 was also speaking of the whole earth because when God begins to gather Israel to Himself, God deliberately leave the Israelites scattered throughout the whole earth so that during the Millenium period of the seventh Age, they will become a blessing to all of the people who also are planted in God's fertile soil.

Shalom
 
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William, H:0776 has whatever meaning that you want to give it. I have not problems with that, however
this is the Hebrew text for Jeremiah 30:3: -
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And this is the text that God said that He would give them the whole earth as their inheritance: -
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And this is the text where God told Abram to leave his country and to go into the earth that He would show him:-
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And this is the text where we are told that God the earth:-
View attachment 85120

Now if we compare the Hebrew word used in each case, we can see the similarities: -
View attachment 85121

Now I know that the translators used the English word "land" in Gen 12:1, Gen 15:7 and Jer 30:3, but did the translators convey the right context for each of these four verses.

I would strongly suggest to you that in all four cases the Hebrew words found in each verse referenced above should be "the earth" for the right context of the Hebrew text to be transferred into the English Text.

Daniel 7: 27 states it this way: -

Daniel 7:26-27: -
26 'But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it at the end of this time.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

I do not believe that Daniel was referencing just the Land of Israel when he penned this prophecy but that he was referencing the whole earth.

Jeremiah in Jer 30:3 was also speaking of the whole earth because when God begins to gather Israel to Himself, God deliberately leave the Israelites scattered throughout the whole earth so that during the Millenium period of the seventh Age, they will become a blessing to all of the people who also are planted in God's fertile soil.

Shalom
A prime example of how people learn of God by "the wisdom of men" and not by "the Mind of Christ" that is within them.
Read/study all of 1 Cor. Ch. 2.
 

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A prime example of how people learn of God by "the wisdom of men" and not by "the Mind of Christ" that is within them.
Read/study all of 1 Cor. Ch. 2.

I have great difficulty in judging the thought processes of other people to discern whether or not they used "the wisdom of men" or by the leading of the Holy Spirit/"mind of Christ" that is within them.

I believe that I demonstrated that the contextual accuracy of peoples' general understanding was built upon the wisdom of men who have translated the scriptures rather than allowing the prompting of the Holy Spirit to guide. Many times, as I have read the translated versions of the original scriptural, the HS has prompted me to research that particular verse to see if the translation and understanding is contextually correct. Sadly, I have been shown many times where the contextual accuracy is lacking.

With respect to 1 Cor 2, I believe that I was following the promptings of the HS with respect to correcting the contextual accuracy of our current translations.

Now your rebuttal is a false argument because you have not provided any written evidence to counter what I have presented.

Shalom
 

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John is talking in future tense, looking at the past in John 7:39. In other words what will be is here now. You are a soul, it doesn't come later; it gets quickened by the Holy Spirit.
Yes!! Unfortunately most of the denominational Religions of church-ianity have swallowed the LIE of the RCC lie that man was given(??) an eternal, immortal Soul.

That false belief is as if "a soul" is "AN IT", a separate living entity of being, that takes up residence within man, when in all reality, a soul is nothing more than the human MIND of self consciousness, through the mortal brain that REQUIRES Oxygenated blood to function.
Lev. 17:11 For the life of the flesh IS IN the blood:....

If there is NO Oxygenated air breathed in (aka "the breath of life"), then no Oxygenated blood will go to the brain, which shuts down all consciousness and subconscious activity, aka MORTAL DEATH.
 
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William, H:0776 has whatever meaning that you want to give it. I have no problems with that, however
this is the Hebrew text for Jeremiah 30:3: -
View attachment 85117

And this is the text that God said that He would give them the whole earth as their inheritance: -
View attachment 85118

And this is the text where God told Abram to leave his country and to go into the earth that He would show him:-
View attachment 85119

And this is the text where we are told that God the earth:-
View attachment 85120

Now if we compare the Hebrew word used in each case, we can see the similarities: -
View attachment 85121

Now I know that the translators used the English word "land" in Gen 12:1, Gen 15:7 and Jer 30:3, but did the translators convey the right context for each of these four verses.

I would strongly suggest to you that in all four cases the Hebrew words found in each verse referenced above should be "the earth" for the right context of the Hebrew text to be transferred into the English Text.

Daniel 7: 27 states it this way: -

Daniel 7:26-27: -
26 'But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it at the end of this time.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

I do not believe that Daniel was referencing just the Land of Israel when he penned this prophecy but that he was referencing the whole earth.

Jeremiah in Jer 30:3 was also speaking of the whole earth because when God begins to gather Israel to Himself, God deliberately leave the Israelites scattered throughout the whole earth so that during the Millenium period of the seventh Age, they will become a blessing to all of the people who also are planted in God's fertile soil.

Shalom
There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times. The Jews received back their *land,* they did not receive the planet earth.
 
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Yes!! Unfortunately most of the denominational Religions of church-ianity have swallowed the LIE of the RCC lie that man was given(??) an eternal, immortal Soul.

That false belief is as if "a soul" is "AN IT", a separate living entity of being, that takes up residence within man, when in all reality, a soul is nothing more than the human MIND of self consciousness, through the mortal brain that REQUIRES Oxygenated blood to function.
Lev. 17:11 For the life of the flesh IS IN the blood:....

If there is NO Oxygenated air breathed in (aka "the breath of life"), then no Oxygenated blood will go to the brain, which shuts down all consciousness and subconscious activity, aka MORTAL DEATH.
body, soul, spirit (1Thessalonians 5:23)
soul = intelligence
spirit= communion with God
A plant has a body.
A dog has a body and soul.
A human has a body, soul, spirit.
 
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Yes the Jews were chosen to bring forth Jesus by the Holy Spirit. See Matthew's genealogy. However the Jews are no longer chosen for anything after that. Ad70 made sure of that. Also see Sozomen's account from his book The Ecclesiastical History (Book V) He was a historian during the rule of Julian the Apostate. The Jews under King Julian were encouraged to rebuild the temple again. Sozomen is an eye witness to what happened or rather what did not happen.
The Jews have come back, they have re-established the nation of Israel, they are fabricating things needed in Temple service, including training of priests.
 

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The Jews have come back, they have re-established the nation of Israel, they are fabricating things needed in Temple service, including training of priests.
I hope they do build a temple then at last Jesus will return. Only the sons of Arron can be priests. It will be interesting for a barbeque restaurant, since the priests get to eat of the sacrifices. It would help finance it too.
 
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William, H:0776 has whatever meaning that you want to give it. I have no problems with that, however
this is the Hebrew text for Jeremiah 30:3: -
View attachment 85117

And this is the text that God said that He would give them the whole earth as their inheritance: -
View attachment 85118

And this is the text where God told Abram to leave his country and to go into the earth that He would show him:-
View attachment 85119

And this is the text where we are told that God the earth:-
View attachment 85120

Now if we compare the Hebrew word used in each case, we can see the similarities: -
View attachment 85121

Now I know that the translators used the English word "land" in Gen 12:1, Gen 15:7 and Jer 30:3, but did the translators convey the right context for each of these four verses.

I would strongly suggest to you that in all four cases the Hebrew words found in each verse referenced above should be "the earth" for the right context of the Hebrew text to be transferred into the English Text.

Daniel 7: 27 states it this way: -

Daniel 7:26-27: -
26 'But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it at the end of this time.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

I do not believe that Daniel was referencing just the Land of Israel when he penned this prophecy but that he was referencing the whole earth.

Jeremiah in Jer 30:3 was also speaking of the whole earth because when God begins to gather Israel to Himself, God deliberately leave the Israelites scattered throughout the whole earth so that during the Millenium period of the seventh Age, they will become a blessing to all of the people who also are planted in God's fertile soil.

Shalom
There was no concept of planet earth in Daniel's day, or any other day prior to Christopher Columbus 1492.
 

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Israel's Harvest Festivals: A Picture of God's Plan

The scope and sequence of God's redemptive purpose is understood through the harvest festivals God commanded Israel to observe. These were not merely agricultural celebrations or religious formalities. They were prophetic patterns — visible realities designed to point beyond themselves to the fuller story of what God was doing in history. The American Heritage College Dictionary defines a type as “a figure, representation, or symbol of something to come.” Scripture consistently uses such types to unfold divine intention gradually over time. What makes these festivals directly relevant to the question of punishment and redemption is their sequence: they do not end at the firstfruits. They move toward a final, comprehensive ingathering — and that movement maps precisely onto the question of whether God’s redemptive purposes can be understood as complete before all things are gathered in.

The Wave Sheaf: Christ the Firstfruits

The agricultural year began with the wave sheaf offering: the very first portion of the harvest was cut, lifted, and presented to God before any further reaping could occur (Leviticus 23:10). The New Testament identifies this offering unmistakably with Christ: “But now Christ is risen from the dead and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep” (1 Corinthians 15:20). Jesus is not merely among the firstfruits — He is the first of the firstfruits, the representative Head of a harvest that will ultimately include all who belong to Him. His resurrection is the guarantee that death does not have the final word over humanity. The first sheaf has been lifted; the rest of the harvest must follow.

Pentecost: The Early Harvest of the Firstfruits Community

The Feast of Weeks, known in the New Testament as Pentecost, marked the first major ingathering after the wave sheaf — still a spring harvest, comparatively small, but broader than the single offering. In the New Testament, this festival finds fulfillment in the outpouring of the Spirit and the formation of the believing community. James 1:18 says: “Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.” The early community of believers is explicitly called firstfruits — not the final harvest. They are the beginning of God's redemptive work, a preview of something much larger yet to come. As the spring harvest in Israel was small and anticipatory, so this early spiritual harvest points forward to a far greater ingathering.

The Feast of Tabernacles: The Great Ingathering

The final harvest festival, Tabernacles or Sukkot, celebrated the full ingathering of all crops at the end of the agricultural year. It was the largest, the most joyful, and the most complete of the three festivals — marked by abundance, rest, and the dwelling of God with His people. Prophetically, Tabernacles points to the culmination of God's redemptive work: “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them” (Revelation 21:3). Zechariah 14:16 envisions all nations participating in this feast — a detail that reinforces the inclusive scope of God's final harvest. The progression is unmistakable: firstfruits, early harvest, great ingathering. God does not stop at the firstfruits. The harvest is not complete until the final ingathering comes in.

Paul himself appears to invoke precisely this harvest sequence in 1 Corinthians 15:23: “But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming.” Again… The Greek word for order here — tagma — is a military term for a division or rank, implying a deliberate sequence of distinct groups arriving in succession. Christ is the wave sheaf: the first and representative offering. Those who are His at His coming correspond to the Pentecost ingathering — the firstfruits community. But Paul’s “then comes the end” in verse 24, when all things are subjected and God becomes all in all, points unmistakably toward the great Tabernacles ingathering still to come. The festivals are the architecture of redemption.

The Year of Jubilee: God's Guarantee of Restoration

In addition to the annual festivals stands an even greater symbol: the Year of Jubilee, commanded in Leviticus 25. Every fiftieth year — after seven cycles of seven years — the trumpet was blown on the Day of Atonement, and a comprehensive restoration was declared. All Israelite slaves were released, and all ancestral land was returned to its original family. Debts were cancelled. Every person who had lost their inheritance received it back.

Leviticus 25:10 You shall proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants; it shall be a jubilee for you, when each of you shall return to his property and each of you shall return to his clan.

The Jubilee reveals something essential about the character of God. No loss is permanent. No bondage is final. No inheritance is ultimately denied. Even those who had lost everything through debt, failure, or misfortune were restored — not because they had earned it back, but because the Jubilee was declared. It was an act of grace built into the structure of the year itself. The calendar demanded it.

Isaiah connects Jubilee themes directly to salvation: “To proclaim liberty to the captives... to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor” (Isaiah 61:1–2). And in Luke 4:18–21, Jesus stands in the synagogue, reads this passage, closes the scroll, and says: “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.” Jesus presents Himself as the ultimate Jubilee — the one in whom all captives are freed, all debts cancelled, all inheritances restored. If the festivals show the process of redemption, the Jubilee reveals its guaranteed outcome: restoration, freedom, and return for all. The harvest culminates in Jubilee, where every loss is healed and every captive released.

The Sovereignty of God and the Certainty of His Purpose

Perhaps the most searching question raised by the traditional doctrine of endless punishment is whether it leaves God's purposes thwarted? If God desires all people to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4), and if vast numbers of people are not saved but are condemned to endless torment, has God failed to accomplish what He desired? The festivals and the Jubilee surveyed above press this question with force. They do not depict a harvest that stops at the firstfruits, nor a Jubilee that exempts some debtors. They depict a God whose redemptive purpose moves through distinct stages toward a comprehensive conclusion. If that typological pattern carries weight, then a doctrine of punishment with no final ingathering and no Jubilee release requires explanation — not merely from the warning texts, but from the overall architecture of how Scripture presents God's purposes in history. Scripture does not leave this question unanswered.

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying: My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure.

Job 42:2 I know that You can do all things, and that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted.

God declares the end from the beginning. He will accomplish all His good pleasure. God declares absolute sovereignty over the outcome of history. Now read them alongside 1 Timothy 2:3–4: God our Savior desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 4:10: God is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

If God desires all people to be saved, and no purpose of God can be thwarted, and God accomplishes all His good pleasure — then either God does not truly desire all to be saved (which contradicts the explicit text), or God lacks the power to accomplish what He desires (which contradicts His sovereignty). The traditional picture of endless punishment for most of the humanity needs to be reconsidered. These three texts, create a theological pressure that inherited doctrine has not always held open — more often resolving it with liberty that the texts themselves permit.

Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that He may have mercy on all.

Paul’s climactic statement in Romans 11 is one of the most striking in the New Testament. God has consigned all to disobedience — not as an act of cruelty, but as the condition for His mercy. The same “all” that was consigned to disobedience is the “all” upon whom He will have mercy. Paul follows this immediately with a doxology: “Oh, the depth of the riches both wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!” The conclusion that God has opened the door of mercy to all — the very all that fell in disobedience — moves Paul not to careful qualification but to worship.

John 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.

Romans 5:18 As through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through Him.

The scope of the justification is all men — the same all that received condemnation through Adam. God’s purpose in sending His Son was not the condemnation of the world but its salvation. These texts are central, repeated, doxological declarations running through the heart of the New Testament.


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There was no concept of planet earth in Daniel's day, or any other day prior to Christopher Columbus 1492.
According to these two scriptures they did.

Job 26:7 -
“He stretches out the north over empty space
And hangs the earth on nothing.

Isaiah 40:22 -
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
 

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There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times. The Jews received back their *land,* they did not receive the planet earth.

There was no concept of planet earth in Daniel's day, or any other day prior to Christopher Columbus 1492.

This just sounds like your opinion.

Genesis 13:15 suggests that Abraham had an understanding of planet earth in the words that Moses penned.

Genesis 13:14-17: - 14 And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: "Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are — northward, southward, eastward, and westward; 15 for the entity portion of the earth which you see I give this entity to your descendants for a period of time where the end point of this period will be beyond their ability to comprehend. 16 And I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth; so that if a man could number the dust of the earth, then your descendants also could be numbered. 17 Arise, walk throughout this entity portion of the earth, its length and its width, for Me to give this entity."

I believe that the above paraphrasing of the Hebrew Text is closer to God’s intent. Scholars suggest that H:0853 has no English equivalent, however I would suggest that the English equivalent is “entity.” Also the above paraphrase is in keeping with Steven’s defence in Acts 7:2-5: - “Brothers and fathers, hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran,3 and said to him, ‘Go out from your land and from your kindred and go into the earth that I will show you.’ 4 Then he went out from the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran. And after his father died, God removed him from there into this earth in which you are now living. 5 Yet he gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot’s length, but promised to give it to him as a possession and to his offspring after him, though he had no child.

Below is the Interlinear text of Genesis 13:14-17 which became the basis for the KJV translation which I would suggest is not contextually accurate with respect to the origin Hebrew Text, but I have provided the Interlinear rendering as a basis for readers to see if the above presented paraphrasing provides a better rendering of the original Hebrew text

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I do accept structured arguments either in favour of or against my post above. Darwinian style rebuttals are not acceptable.

Shalom