Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

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The grace is recieved in faith.. Abraham Believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.

As paul said in romans 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.

Our justification is based on his ressurection. Not water baptism
Context of born again baptism!


Jn 1

John the baptist preached faith alone? FALSE!

John the baptist prepared the way for Christ and the new covenant by water baptism? TRUE!

Jn 2

Just water for religious a purpose? FALSE!

The greek old testament calls them the waters of baptismlice? TRUE!

Jn 3:5

Born again of the Spirit only? FALSE!

Born again of Water and the Spirit? True!

Jn 3:22

They went to Jerusalem and preached faith alone? FALSE!

They went to the river and baptized?
TRUE!

Jn 4:1 (mt 28:19)

Making disciples by faith alone? FALSE!

Making disciples by baptism?
TRUE!


Note: John's baptism was for repentance but it is included cos the prefigurement & fulfillment must match, the way of preparation & reality must match.

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Matt 23:9
Call no man father? Jesus is only condemning pride and spiritual pride of the Pharisees?

Or is this absolute?

God calls men father!

Ex 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Jesus calls men father!

Jn 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

Mary calls men father!

Lk 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

Peter calls men father!

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:22 Moses said unto the fathers…

The stephen calls men father!

Acts 7 Stephen quotes the fathers over and over!

Apostles call men father!

1 Jn 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

The Bible calls men father!

Luke 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.


Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.


Jn 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

Jesus does not rebuke her for calling men father!


Then there is spiritual fathers who have care for our souls! Heb 13:7-17

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its absolute ! only God we can we call Father not priests, preachers. Jesus was clear. Spiritual fathers is an expression or used to point to seniors it is not a title. it does not mean we call them father. As a catholic, a long time ago I always refused to call them father and I never will. Matt 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
 
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In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase, he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by/signified in the outward ceremony of water baptism).

*Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household--which is a type of Christ). *The context reveals that only the righteous (Noah and his family) were dry and therefore safe. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contract with the water and they all perished.

Hebrews 10:22 in the NASB reads - let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. *Notice the order. It is the sprinkling (with the Blood of Christ- Hebrews 9:14; I Peter 1:2) which touches the heart. The washing of pure water affects the body. Paul was careful to distinguish between an outward circumcision, which was of the flesh (Romans 2:28-29) and an inward circumcision, which was of the heart.

The true child of Abraham (and therefore the true Christian) has the inward circumcision of the heart, not only the outward, which is accomplished by the "sprinkling of the blood of Christ" (I Peter 1:2), not by a washing in water in the ordinance of water baptism. Even Peter said - "not the removal of the dirt from the flesh" but the answer of a good conscience toward God. Through the resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Peter 3:21).
no purpose for baptism after salvation!

justification is by faith and baptism

Jn 3:5
acts 8:36-38
acts 22:16
titus 3:5
1 pet 3:21

refer to baptism in water not spirit only!

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no purpose for baptism after salvation!
Even though water baptism is not the basis or means by which we receive salvation, it still has its purpose. Baptism is a symbol of salvation in that it pictures Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences. In reality, believers are literally saved by what baptism symbolizes--Christ's death, burial and resurrection. Baptism would have no meaning without Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but Christ’s death, burial and resurrection would still have meaning, even if there were no baptism. In other words, Christ’s death, burial and resurrection is the substance and baptism is the symbol. Without the substance there would be no symbol.

A man and a woman become united through their wedding vows and the ring symbolizes this. Just as we become united with Christ through faith and water baptism symbolizes this. Strictly speaking, the husband is united to his wife because of the marriage vows rather than the ring. Yet since the latter is the sign of their union, it is natural to speak of the ring to mean the reality it represents. "With this ring, I thee wed," although the ring is not the actual cause of the change in the marital status, just like water baptism is not the actual cause of our salvation status.
justification is by faith and baptism
Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, (and baptism? NO simply faith) we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Water baptism is not the only "water" mentioned in scripture and don't forget about the word. (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39; John 15:3: Ephesians 5:26; 1 Peter 1:23)
acts 8:36-38
Believing unto salvation preceded baptism and just as in John 20:31, through believing, we have life in His name.
acts 22:16
Every time a believer is immersed, he washes away his sins in the same sense Paul did: not literally, but figuratively, pointing to the blood of Christ by which sins are actually washed away. (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5)
titus 3:5
The washing of regeneration is not accomplished by water baptism. The word "washing" in the Strong's Greek Concordance with Vine's Number 3067 - (Loutron) "a bath, a laver" is used *metaphorically of the Word of God, as the instrument of spiritual cleansing,* (Ephesians 5:26; and Titus 3:5), of the "washing of regeneration."

Washing refers to spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the word of God through the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.
1 pet 3:21

refer to baptism in water
Again, Peter goes on to explain in what sense that it saves us -- (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. So, it's not the mechanical act of being water baptized that literally saves us.
 

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I remember his teaching on the seeds that hit rock, and what not. Some people are choked out by the world. Things like that.
 

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no works?

patience: suffering for love of God!
enduring all thing's faithful to the end! mt 10:22 rev 2:10

Luke 8:15
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Luke 21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:25
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

2 Thessalonians 1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: (mt 10:22)

1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

2 Timothy 3:10
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

Titus 2:2
That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
(eternal salvation)

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.


James 5:10
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

James 5:11
Behold, we count them happy which endure. (mt 10:22) Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

2 Peter 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

Revelation 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience... (good works)

Revelation 2:3
And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Revelation 2:19
I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Revelation 13:10
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Yeah but why wont folks help me when i correct others and say
OH NO SIR , them false religoins do not serve the GOD we do .
GUESS all of a sudden FAITH IS OUT THE DOOR on that one . This generation is gonna pay a price
of deep punishement . For using the name of JESUS and then not bothering
to even help others who try and tell others that in NO WAY can one even be a true good samertain
and love his neighbor or GOD , IF that one has NO FAITH IN THE JESUS CHRIST OF GOD .
so much for that reminder . I mean its all good to remind the church that faith without works is dead
BUT WHEN i come along and try and remind them all that Works without faith IS TOTALLY VAIN . all of a sudden
its judge not , hey there are good people in all relgions and they serve the same God we do . seems
people are very PREFERENTIAL on how they use JESUS these days . Sad . very sad times we live in my friends
 
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I remember his teaching on the seeds that hit rock, and what not. Some people are choked out by the world. Things like that.
yes indeed mathew it sure seems like many sure are choked out by the world
And often by all the weed they smoke too . No wonder folks beleive half the stuff they do .
Just a friendly reminder to us all .
 
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Even though water baptism is not the basis or means by which we receive salvation, it still has its purpose. Baptism is a symbol of salvation in that it pictures Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences. In reality, believers are literally saved by what baptism symbolizes--Christ's death, burial and resurrection. Baptism would have no meaning without Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but Christ’s death, burial and resurrection would still have meaning, even if there were no baptism. In other words, Christ’s death, burial and resurrection is the substance and baptism is the symbol. Without the substance there would be no symbol.

A man and a woman become united through their wedding vows and the ring symbolizes this. Just as we become united with Christ through faith and water baptism symbolizes this. Strictly speaking, the husband is united to his wife because of the marriage vows rather than the ring. Yet since the latter is the sign of their union, it is natural to speak of the ring to mean the reality it represents. "With this ring, I thee wed," although the ring is not the actual cause of the change in the marital status, just like water baptism is not the actual cause of our salvation status.

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, (and baptism? NO simply faith) we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Water baptism is not the only "water" mentioned in scripture and don't forget about the word. (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39; John 15:3: Ephesians 5:26; 1 Peter 1:23)

Believing unto salvation preceded baptism and just as in John 20:31, through believing, we have life in His name.

Every time a believer is immersed, he washes away his sins in the same sense Paul did: not literally, but figuratively, pointing to the blood of Christ by which sins are actually washed away. (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5)

The washing of regeneration is not accomplished by water baptism. The word "washing" in the Strong's Greek Concordance with Vine's Number 3067 - (Loutron) "a bath, a laver" is used *metaphorically of the Word of God, as the instrument of spiritual cleansing,* (Ephesians 5:26; and Titus 3:5), of the "washing of regeneration."

Washing refers to spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the word of God through the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.

Again, Peter goes on to explain in what sense that it saves us -- (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. So, it's not the mechanical act of being water baptized that literally saves us.
you know what i find so sad and so t roubling mailman dan .
when folks often speak truth and yet ALL of a sudden when it comes to OTHER religions and sweet smiling grandmas
who did some good deeds , FAITH IS THROWN OUT THE DOOR .
This generation ought to be ashamed of itself . THEY use jesus , they claim its all about faith
but all of a sudden when it comes to interfiath and other religoins , GUESS THE NEED TO HAVE FAITH IN JESUS
all of a sudden aint SUCh A NEED after all . This people should weep in sackcloth mailman dan .
DO remember this my friend , I POINTED TO JESUS and gave no false hope out to anyone , no false love to anyone .
IT WAS JESUS i pointed too . cause HE ALONE is the only hope , the only name whereby one can be saved .
AND OH YEAH its all about HAVING TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
 

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yes indeed mathew it sure seems like many sure are choked out by the world
And often by all the weed they smoke too . No wonder folks beleive half the stuff they do .
Just a friendly reminder to us all .

Everyone reaps what they sow. It's said.
 

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Yeah but why wont folks help me when i correct others and say
OH NO SIR , them false religoins do not serve the GOD we do .
GUESS all of a sudden FAITH IS OUT THE DOOR on that one . This generation is gonna pay a price
of deep punishement . For using the name of JESUS and then not bothering
to even help others who try and tell others that in NO WAY can one even be a true good samertain
and love his neighbor or GOD , IF that one has NO FAITH IN THE JESUS CHRIST OF GOD .
so much for that reminder . I mean its all good to remind the church that faith without works is dead
BUT WHEN i come along and try and remind them all that Works without faith IS TOTALLY VAIN . all of a sudden
its judge not , hey there are good people in all relgions and they serve the same God we do . seems
people are very PREFERENTIAL on how they use JESUS these days . Sad . very sad times we live in my friends
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Three (3) enemies of our salvation!

(the world, the flesh, and the devil)

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

((faith overcomes the world))

1 John 5:4-5
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

((virtue and suffering overcomes the flesh))

1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

mt 7:7
ask and you shall receive

mt 7:14
the narrow way leads to life

Luke 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

heb 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

1 cor 13:13
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

((Resistance overcomes the devil))

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Not faith alone!
 
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Everyone reaps what they sow. It's said.
very true indeed mathew . and to those who sow to anti christ inclusive ecumeincal interfatih peace
OH they shall indeed reap THE SECOND death .
Mathew . always remember any one who does speak , or write somet hing ,
or presents another love , another jesus
Contrary to HIM , TO HIS WORDS . Oh they are in love with none other than
the DEVIL using the name of JESUS to cause their alleg aince to him and rebellion to GOD .
SO lets keep that in mind . SURE HOPE it encouraged you . And let us be in prayer and in our bible daily please .
 
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its absolute ! only God we can we call Father not priests, preachers. Jesus was clear. Spiritual fathers is an expression or used to point to seniors it is not a title. it does not mean we call them father. As a catholic, a long time ago I always refused to call them father and I never will. Matt 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
then you prefer your tradition over sacred scripture!

thks

its absolute ! only God we can we call Father not priests, preachers. Jesus was clear. Spiritual fathers is an expression or used to point to seniors it is not a title. it does not mean we call them father. As a catholic, a long time ago I always refused to call them father and I never will. Matt 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
then you prefer your traditions and negate the word of God!

Isa 22:21-22

21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

eph 3:14-15

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

1 Corinthians 4:15
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye notmany fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1 Tim 1:1 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith:

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. (to adult christians)

makes John and Paul our fathers!

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I remember his teaching on the seeds that hit rock, and what not. Some people are choked out by the world. Things like that.
all of them had faith! are all of them saved? or only those who bear fruit?

Lk 3:9 Jn 15:1-6
must bear fruit

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So you are given the righteousness of Christ but your not saved?

Never said otherwise

your trying to replace the baptism of the HS with water baptism.. This is a false gospel my friend. Do not add works to grace. it nullifies Christ's work, and nullifies Grace
Water baptism is required after repentance for complete sin cleansing. Only then can baptism of the Holy Spirit occur.
 

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Water baptism is required after repentance for complete sin cleansing. Only then can baptism of the Holy Spirit occur.
According to the Bible, it is the blood of Jesus Christ that washes away our sins:

(1Jn 1:7) But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

As commentator John Gill wrote on that verse: "and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanseth us from all sin: there is a pollution on human nature, which is original, natural, universal, and internal, and is such that nothing can remove but the blood of Christ; not ceremonial ablutions and sacrifices, nor moral duties, nor evangelical performances, or submission to Gospel ordinances, and particularly baptism, which is not the putting away the faith of the flesh; nor even the graces of the Spirit, no, not faith, no otherwise than as it has to do with this blood; for this cleansing is not to be understood of sanctification, for that more properly belongs to the Spirit of God, and besides, does not cleanse from all sin; for notwithstanding this, sin is in the saints: but either of the atonement of sin, by the sacrifice of Christ, and so of a complete justification from it by his blood, which is put for both his active and passive obedience, the one being finished in the other; or rather of the pardon of sin, procured by the blood of Christ, and the application of that blood to the conscience, which purges it from dead works, and which has a continued virtue in it for that purpose. Christ's blood, being applied by the Spirit of God, has been always cleansing from sin; it had this virtue in it, and was of this use, even before it was actually shed, to the Old Testament saints; whence Christ is said to be the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world; and it has the same efficacy now as when first shed, and will have to the end of the world; and being sprinkled upon the conscience, by the Spirit of God, it takes away the sins of believers, and cleanses from them, as fast as the corruption of nature rises, or sins appear; and removes them out of their sight, and speaks peace to their souls; and which is owing, as to the dignity of Christ's person and the value of his sacrifice, so to his continual intercession, advocacy, and mediation; and which reaches to all sin, original and actual, secret and open sins; sins of heart, thought, lip, and life; sins of omission and commission, greater or lesser sins, committed against light and knowledge, grace and mercy, law and Gospel, all but the sin against the Holy Ghost; and in this Christ was the antitype of the scape goat, of which the Jews say (g), that
"it atoned for all the transgressions of the law, whether small or great, sins of presumption, or of ignorance, known, or not known, which were against an affirmative or negative command, which deserved cutting off (by the hand of God), or death by the sanhedrim.'' (my emphasis)
 
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don't assume that justification is eternal salvation and that Christ did it all and there is nothing we cando!

I don't assume, I know..

The wage of sin is death. Only death can redeem us from sin. Thats what the law told us. Only an animal pur and without spot could pay for the sin of the people. and only by the shedding of blood can their be remission. Thats what Christ came to do. he who knew no sin became sin for us. that way might be made the righteousness of God in him.

You can not do anything to add to his work to save yourself.. Not by works of righteousness (good works) which we have done, but by Gods mercy he saved us.

Become the tax collector. Not the pharisee pumping your chest of all your works.
If your saved you don't have too:

have Perpetual faith Jn 3:16
1 Jn 5:13
add to you faith 2 pet 1:5
grow in grace 2 pet 3:18
pray mt 7:7 mt 26:41 Lk 21:36
deny thyself Lk 9:23
suffer for Christ phil 1:29
narrow road mt 7:14
abide in Christ Jn 15:1-6
bear fruit Lk 3:9 Jn 15:4
fruits of repentance mt 3:8
2 cor 7:10
fulfill the deeds of righteousness
Lk 1:75 acts 10:35
fruits of righteousness phil 1:11
faith & patience heb 6:12
faith, patience, & works rev 2:19
commandments, patience, & faith rev 14:12
keep the commandments
mt 19:17 Jn 14:21 1 cor 7:19 1Jn 3:24 1 Jn 5:2-3 rev 12:17
resist unto blood heb 12:4
resist the devil James 4:7
put on the armor of God
eph 6:10-18
avoid the deeds of the flesh or the deeds of the Spirit rom 8:1 gal 6:7-8
rom 8:13 1 pet 2:24
practice virtues mt 11:29 1 cor 13:13
endure to the end to be saved
mk 13:13, mt 10:22 mt 24:13
be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. rev 2:10

Amen?
these are what a child of God does to become sanctified. Non of these things will save us.. Not one sin will be forgiven because we do one deed
 
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