Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

[Eternally Grateful]

no works?

patience: suffering for love of God!
enduring all thing's faithful to the end! mt 10:22 rev 2:10

Luke 8:15
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Luke 21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:25
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

2 Thessalonians 1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: (mt 10:22)

1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

2 Timothy 3:10
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

Titus 2:2
That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
(eternal salvation)

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.


James 5:10
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

James 5:11
Behold, we count them happy which endure. (mt 10:22) Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

2 Peter 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

Revelation 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience... (good works)

Revelation 2:3
And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Revelation 2:19
I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Revelation 13:10
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Once again.

Don't be the pharisee, Be the tax collector. Do as Jesus said and become poor in spirit..

The wage of sin is death, not getting baptized.

the wage of sin is death not works.


Your works sanctify you as a child of God. and will earn rewards. they will not save you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Context of born again baptism!


Jn 1

John the baptist preached faith alone? FALSE!

John the baptist prepared the way for Christ and the new covenant by water baptism? TRUE!

Jn 2

Just water for religious a purpose? FALSE!

The greek old testament calls them the waters of baptiice? TRUE!

Jn 3:5

Born again of the Spirit only? FALSE!

Born again of Water and the Spirit? True!

Jn 3:22

They went to Jerusalem and preached faith alone? FALSE!

They went to the river and baptized?
TRUE!

Jn 4:1 (mt 28:19)

Making disciples by faith alone? FALSE!

Making disciples by baptism?
TRUE!


Note: John's baptism was for repentance but it is included cos the prefigurement & fulfillment must match, the way of preparation & reality must match.

thks

Nice try

The gospel according to Jesus and Paul​

John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

 

[Eternally Grateful]

no purpose for baptism after salvation!

justification is by faith and baptism

Jn 3:5

This is not baptism.

acts 8:36-38
acts 22:16
titus 3:5
1 pet 3:21

refer to baptism in water not spirit only!

thks

You need to get water off your thinking.

Holy spiorit baptism is what saves. Not water baptism.

Water baptism no more saves you then circumcision saved the jews

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

twist that into faith alone?

thks

this is not anything to do with salvation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

all of them had faith! are all of them saved? or only those who bear fruit?

Lk 3:9 Jn 15:1-6
must bear fruit

thks

No

they WILL bear fruit.

God changes us, we are made into new creation (eph 2: 10)

Its sad you have no faith in God to save you without your own help and to change you.

Your faith is in self. not God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Water baptism is required after repentance for complete sin cleansing. Only then can baptism of the Holy Spirit occur.

where did you get this idea from?

there is one baptism that saves. not two.

It is the baptism of the spirit that washes our sin Titus 3 :5. Not by works of righteousness whcih we have done (like water baptism) but by His mercy he saved us by the washing (baptism) and renewal (new birth) of the Holy Spirit.

Water baptism get you wet

Spirit baptism puts you in christ. in his death, in his body and in his burial (romans 6, 1 Cor 12, Gal 5)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

According to the Bible, it is the blood of Jesus Christ that washes away our sins:

(1Jn 1:7) But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

As commentator John Gill wrote on that verse: "and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanseth us from all sin: there is a pollution on human nature, which is original, natural, universal, and internal, and is such that nothing can remove but the blood of Christ; not ceremonial ablutions and sacrifices, nor moral duties, nor evangelical performances, or submission to Gospel ordinances, and particularly baptism, which is not the putting away the faith of the flesh; nor even the graces of the Spirit, no, not faith, no otherwise than as it has to do with this blood; for this cleansing is not to be understood of sanctification, for that more properly belongs to the Spirit of God, and besides, does not cleanse from all sin; for notwithstanding this, sin is in the saints: but either of the atonement of sin, by the sacrifice of Christ, and so of a complete justification from it by his blood, which is put for both his active and passive obedience, the one being finished in the other; or rather of the pardon of sin, procured by the blood of Christ, and the application of that blood to the conscience, which purges it from dead works, and which has a continued virtue in it for that purpose. Christ's blood, being applied by the Spirit of God, has been always cleansing from sin; it had this virtue in it, and was of this use, even before it was actually shed, to the Old Testament saints; whence Christ is said to be the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world; and it has the same efficacy now as when first shed, and will have to the end of the world; and being sprinkled upon the conscience, by the Spirit of God, it takes away the sins of believers, and cleanses from them, as fast as the corruption of nature rises, or sins appear; and removes them out of their sight, and speaks peace to their souls; and which is owing, as to the dignity of Christ's person and the value of his sacrifice, so to his continual intercession, advocacy, and mediation; and which reaches to all sin, original and actual, secret and open sins; sins of heart, thought, lip, and life; sins of omission and commission, greater or lesser sins, committed against light and knowledge, grace and mercy, law and Gospel, all but the sin against the Holy Ghost; and in this Christ was the antitype of the scape goat, of which the Jews say (g), that
"it atoned for all the transgressions of the law, whether small or great, sins of presumption, or of ignorance, known, or not known, which were against an affirmative or negative command, which deserved cutting off (by the hand of God), or death by the sanhedrim.'' (my emphasis)

amen, and this is the work of God. not the work of our pastor

 

[faithhopecharity]

You contradicted yourself.

You said Justification is based on Gods grace, not works. Yet you added the work of water baptism

then you claimed it is dependent in the end on our sanctification, and the work of enduring tot the end.

It is one or the other my friend. It cna not be both ways

baptism is not works!

it not something you can do!

you cannot baptize yourself!

you must consent to be baptized acts2:38

and you cannot enter the kingdom
Jn 3:5 you must be born into the kingdom by baptism

2 pet 1:11 administered unto you!

by the apostolic church!

Amen?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

baptism is not works!

yes actually it is. Just like circumcision is a work.

baptism is not works!

it not something you can do!

you cannot baptize yourself!

actually yes you can. You do it every time you go swimming.. You can circumcise yourself. to.. But I would not recommend it.

you must consent to be baptized acts2:38

Acts 2: 38 is is Paul commanding every to repent for the gift of the HS. and to be baptized because they recieved remission of sin.. The english text is lacking

and you cannot enter the kingdom
Jn 3:5 you must be born into the kingdom by baptism

Jesus told nicodemus how to be born again, No mention of water baptism. because water baptism is not required.

john 3, 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16. for God so loved the world he gave his only son that whoever believes (trusts) in him will never perish, and live forever (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

If john 3: 5 was baptism. Jesus would have said so

2 pet 1:11 administered unto you!

by the apostolic church!

Amen?

leave rome. They are decieved and will lead you astray

 

[faithhopecharity]

Even though water baptism is not the basis or means by which we receive salvation, it still has its purpose. Baptism is a symbol of salvation in that it pictures Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences. In reality, believers are literally saved by what baptism symbolizes--Christ's death, burial and resurrection. Baptism would have no meaning without Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but Christ’s death, burial and resurrection would still have meaning, even if there were no baptism. In other words, Christ’s death, burial and resurrection is the substance and baptism is the symbol. Without the substance there would be no symbol.

A man and a woman become united through their wedding vows and the ring symbolizes this. Just as we become united with Christ through faith and water baptism symbolizes this. Strictly speaking, the husband is united to his wife because of the marriage vows rather than the ring. Yet since the latter is the sign of their union, it is natural to speak of the ring to mean the reality it represents. "With this ring, I thee wed," although the ring is not the actual cause of the change in the marital status, just like water baptism is not the actual cause of our salvation status.

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, (and baptism? NO simply faith) we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Water baptism is not the only "water" mentioned in scripture and don't forget about the word. (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39; John 15:3: Ephesians 5:26; 1 Peter 1:23)

Believing unto salvation preceded baptism and just as in John 20:31, through believing, we have life in His name.

Every time a believer is immersed, he washes away his sins in the same sense Paul did: not literally, but figuratively, pointing to the blood of Christ by which sins are actually washed away. (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5)

The washing of regeneration is not accomplished by water baptism. The word "washing" in the Strong's Greek Concordance with Vine's Number 3067 - (Loutron) "a bath, a laver" is used *metaphorically of the Word of God, as the instrument of spiritual cleansing,* (Ephesians 5:26; and Titus 3:5), of the "washing of regeneration."

Washing refers to spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the word of God through the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.

Again, Peter goes on to explain in what sense that it saves us -- (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. So, it's not the mechanical act of being water baptized that literally saves us.

Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

twist that into faith alone?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Even though water baptism is not the basis or means by which we receive salvation, it still has its purpose. Baptism is a symbol of salvation in that it pictures Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences. In reality, believers are literally saved by what baptism symbolizes--Christ's death, burial and resurrection. Baptism would have no meaning without Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but Christ’s death, burial and resurrection would still have meaning, even if there were no baptism. In other words, Christ’s death, burial and resurrection is the substance and baptism is the symbol. Without the substance there would be no symbol.

A man and a woman become united through their wedding vows and the ring symbolizes this. Just as we become united with Christ through faith and water baptism symbolizes this. Strictly speaking, the husband is united to his wife because of the marriage vows rather than the ring. Yet since the latter is the sign of their union, it is natural to speak of the ring to mean the reality it represents. "With this ring, I thee wed," although the ring is not the actual cause of the change in the marital status, just like water baptism is not the actual cause of our salvation status.

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, (and baptism? NO simply faith) we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Water baptism is not the only "water" mentioned in scripture and don't forget about the word. (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39; John 15:3: Ephesians 5:26; 1 Peter 1:23)

Believing unto salvation preceded baptism and just as in John 20:31, through believing, we have life in His name.

Every time a believer is immersed, he washes away his sins in the same sense Paul did: not literally, but figuratively, pointing to the blood of Christ by which sins are actually washed away. (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5)

The washing of regeneration is not accomplished by water baptism. The word "washing" in the Strong's Greek Concordance with Vine's Number 3067 - (Loutron) "a bath, a laver" is used *metaphorically of the Word of God, as the instrument of spiritual cleansing,* (Ephesians 5:26; and Titus 3:5), of the "washing of regeneration."

Washing refers to spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the word of God through the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.

Again, Peter goes on to explain in what sense that it saves us -- (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. So, it's not the mechanical act of being water baptized that literally saves us.

another try?

Three (3) enemies of our salvation!

(the world, the flesh, and the devil)

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

((faith overcomes the world))

1 John 5:4-5
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

((virtue and suffering overcomes the flesh))

1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

mt 7:7
ask and you shall receive

mt 7:14
the narrow way leads to life

Luke 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

heb 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

1 cor 13:13
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

((Resistance overcomes the devil))

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Not faith alone!

thks

 

[Eternally Grateful]

another try?

Three (3) enemies of our salvation!

(the world, the flesh, and the devil)

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

((faith overcomes the world))

1 John 5:4-5
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

((virtue and suffering overcomes the flesh))

1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

mt 7:7
ask and you shall receive

mt 7:14
the narrow way leads to life

Luke 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

heb 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

1 cor 13:13
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

((Resistance overcomes the devil))

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Not faith alone!

thks

the wage of sin is death. the gift of God is life

recieve it in faith, or keep tryign to earn it by works

the choice is yours.

 

[faithhopecharity]

I don't assume, I know..

The wage of sin is death. Only death can redeem us from sin. Thats what the law told us. Only an animal pur and without spot could pay for the sin of the people. and only by the shedding of blood can their be remission. Thats what Christ came to do. he who knew no sin became sin for us. that way might be made the righteousness of God in him.

You can not do anything to add to his work to save yourself.. Not by works of righteousness (good works) which we have done, but by Gods mercy he saved us.

Become the tax collector. Not the pharisee pumping your chest of all your works.

these are what a child of God does to become sanctified. Non of these things will save us.. Not one sin will be forgiven because we do one deed

your still confused

Eternal Life!

1) general redemption
(no works / no participation)

Christ brought us to the life of grace!

Christ by His life, death, (blood) and resurrection obtained the atonement and general redemption making the life of grace possible!

Jn 1:14
Jn 1:16
Jn 1:17
Jn 10:10
Jn 14:6
eph 2:1

rom 5:5-8

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

God is love, grace is the life of God!

2) justification
(gratuitous / no works)

We consent to His redemption, receive instructions in the faith and are born again by baptism with the the infused supernatural gifts of faith, hope, & charty, with sanctifying grace, and the life of the Spirit!

mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
rom 5:5 love

3) sanctification / perseverance
(participation required)

Empowered by Christ's life, Spirit, merits, & grace we abide in Him
Jn 15:1-6 and endure all things in patience and for love of God unto the end!

Mk 13:13, mt 10:22, & mt 24:13
he who endures to the end shall be saved!


We have union with God and His saints in Christ by grace!

Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

2 pet 3:18 we must grow in grace

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace

1 cor 15:10 can have grace in vain

2 cor 4:7 treasure (grace) in earthen vessels

Lk 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Once again.

Don't be the pharisee, Be the tax collector. Do as Jesus said and become poor in spirit..

The wage of sin is death, not getting baptized.

the wage of sin is death not works.


Your works sanctify you as a child of God. and will earn rewards. they will not save you

after the initial grace of Justification we have union with God eternal life (not eternal salvation) we must have perseverance unto death, then judged faithful in grace and then begins eternal salvation!

mt 7:14
the narrow way leads to life

mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

three are eternal faith hope & charity not faith alone!

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Nice try

The gospel according to Jesus and Paul​

John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

children of God by faith alone and accepting Christ? false

Jn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

the belief did not make them children of God but gives the possibility to become children of God by baptism

acts 2:38 "be baptized" consent to being baptized

2 pet 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

by the apostolic church

2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

must be presented to the apostolic church "faith community" receive instruction, make a profession of faith and submit to the sacrament of baptism!

acts 2:38-41

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

acts 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

how were they added / saved?

BAPTISM!


thks

instructed
Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
1 tim 3:15
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

 

[faithhopecharity]

this is not anything to do with salvation.

taking heaven refers to salvation!

what does it mean?

 

[amigo de christo]

after the initial grace of Justification we have union with God eternal life (not eternal salvation) we must have perseverance unto death, then judged faithful in grace and then begins eternal salvation!

mt 7:14
the narrow way leads to life

mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

three are eternal faith hope & charity not faith alone!

thks

so then , why are so many sitting under a ecumeincal whore of interfaith
that has absolutely denied the dire need to even have to believe on JESUS .
b ecause while i know that faith without works is dead
AND FULLY KNOW that works without faith in JESUS saves none .
And that can easily be proven .
LOOK at cornelious , LOOK and weep for these poor souls trapped in ecumeincalism of anti christ .
Because Cornelious had a whopping amount of good works , alms , prayers
BUT EVEN HE had to hear the gospel of JESUS CHRIST and BELIEVE to be SAVED . WEEP for them . and expose them all . I WILL
and i shall .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

your still confused

Eternal Life!

1) general redemption
(no works / no participation)

Christ brought us to the life of grace!

Christ by His life, death, (blood) and resurrection obtained the atonement and general redemption making the life of grace possible!

Jn 1:14
Jn 1:16
Jn 1:17
Jn 10:10
Jn 14:6
eph 2:1

rom 5:5-8

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

God is love, grace is the life of God!

2) justification
(gratuitous / no works)

We consent to His redemption, receive instructions in the faith and are born again by baptism with the the infused supernatural gifts of faith, hope, & charty, with sanctifying grace, and the life of the Spirit!

mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
rom 5:5 love

3) sanctification / perseverance
(participation required)

Empowered by Christ's life, Spirit, merits, & grace we abide in Him
Jn 15:1-6 and endure all things in patience and for love of God unto the end!

Mk 13:13, mt 10:22, & mt 24:13
he who endures to the end shall be saved!


We have union with God and His saints in Christ by grace!

Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

2 pet 3:18 we must grow in grace

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace

1 cor 15:10 can have grace in vain

2 cor 4:7 treasure (grace) in earthen vessels

Lk 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

thks

No, Your the one confused

you teach conditional life not eternal life.

Jesus said they will never perish, not they might not perish.


Keep trying

 

[Eternally Grateful]

after the initial grace of Justification we have union with God eternal life (not eternal salvation) we must have perseverance unto death, then judged faithful in grace and then begins eternal salvation!

mt 7:14
the narrow way leads to life

mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

three are eternal faith hope & charity not faith alone!

thks

Salvation is by grace.. not works

There is no such things as initial justification. We are either saved (justified) or we are not.

The wage of sin is death

if death does not cover all your sins (past present and future) You will never be forgiven.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

taking heaven refers to salvation!

what does it mean?

if means those who are saved do these works.

those who are not saved do not do these works

it does not mean do these works and you may get to heaven.. but even then, I can;t promise you because you still have to be good enough