Should I buy a sword?

[Gray_Joy]

Still waiting for you to tell us when believers defended themselves with weapons in the book of Acts.

Look to Paul there.
If self defense were impermissible,Paul would have stood mute when charged with offenses.

Jesus taught non-retaliation. Vengeful armed acts against others. Not defense of self or others from aggressors.

You're choosing to offend the scriptures by injecting your ideology as having authority over them through interpolation. Not interpretation.
You argue from the standpoint of Isegesis. Not Exegesis.

If your preferred understanding were found through right understanding of the teachings of Jesus, you would not ignore the fact Jesus told his Disciples to buy swords even if they had to sell their cloak to do so. And further, given Peter wielded his in Gethsemane, they were proficient in their use.

Jesus commanded his Disciples to arm themselves. Which precludes the argument that Jesus promoted strong pacifism.

Jesus did not revoke his command to buy swords,nor the possession thereof,when he rebuked Peter for using his.

Jesus rebuked Peter because his being arrested was part of the plan of insuring the covenant of Salvation be accomplished.

Covenants were sealed by blood.

The blood of the Lamb who was slain before the foundation of the world. Jesus could not be saved from arrest by Peters sword. Because Jesus was born to save us.

You evade this challenge for obvious reasons.

I am affiliated with those who take the words of Jesus seriously when He said:

Turn the other cheek.

Love your enemies.

Do good unto those who abuse you.

Pray for those who persecute you.

Resist not an evil man.

Blessed be the peacemakers.

Put away thy sword.

Draw the sword, die by the sword.

We fight not against flesh and blood.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

My kingdom is not of this world, thus my servants do not fight.

 

[Anchorite]

If your preferred understanding were found through right understanding of the teachings of Jesus, you would not ignore the fact Jesus told his Disciples to buy swords even if they had to sell their cloak to do so. And further, given Peter wielded his in Gethsemane, they were proficient in their use.

Cutting off an ear, when the intent is to kill, is not “proficient” sword usage.

Jesus scolded Peter, He did not thank Peter. Jesus did not say, “Strike again!” Jesus said, “Put away thy sword!”

Some people try to claim that Jesus wanted His disciples to arm themselves, to have weapons for self defense.

But when Jesus said buy a sword, and the disciples replied they had two swords, Jesus said that was enough.

Thus, the swords were not for self defense or for killing those who attack. Two swords would not be nearly enough to combat the Roman soldiers who were coming to arrest Jesus.

In fact, when Peter used his sword to cut off someone’s ear, Jesus healed the ear and scolded Peter to put away his sword.

Jesus condemned weaponry by saying that all who use the sword will perish by the sword.

Those two swords were enough for Jesus to be reckoned among the transgressors. The Roman soldiers could see the swords and arrest Jesus for being an instigator of armed rebellion against the empire.

"Jesus reckoned among the transgressors" refers to the fulfillment of prophecy (Isaiah 53:12) where Jesus was treated, condemned, and executed as a common criminal, specifically by being crucified between two thieves. This act represents his deep identification with sinful humanity, substituting himself in the place of sinners to achieve atonement and reconciliation with God.


Luke 22

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

 

[NayborBear]

1 John 4

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. ...

Because this "trying/TESTING" of the "spirits" was NOT done? For whatever reason? Whether it be of fear?, or self deception: "God LOVES me TOO much to allow such a thing!"
Many (ahem) "believers" for quite SOME time? Have been "SNARED" into a "love trap!"
What's WORSE (for them?) Is that the Father has 'em DELUDED! To the point that they'd "BET THE FARM" on their being right! That's what it means to: "BELIEVE.........A LIE!"

(A honorific GASP emanates from the crowd)

But? Their "END" is not come YET!
Oh No! Because of their faith "IN CHRIST ALONE?"
They'll be "Held Over" for a thousand YEARS of "learning.........and BEING LEARNT"
But, as far as "reigning WITH Christ?"

I HOPE they get so mad over this they go STRAIGHT TO the Father DIRECTLY!
And just? ASK HIM!

 

[Anchorite]

 

[Gray_Joy]

Cutting off an ear, when the intent is to kill, is not “proficient” sword usage.

Have you ever wielded a true antique era sword?
I assure you, wielding a gladius or a machaira to to slice.thebear off the head of a man is a demonstration of proficiency.

Further,it so happened that strike was also allegorical to Mark 8:18. Having the ear to hear but does not hear.

Jesus scolded Peter, He did not thank Peter. Jesus did not say, “Strike again!” Jesus said, “Put away thy sword!”

Some people try to claim that Jesus wanted His disciples to arm themselves, to have weapons for self defense.

But when Jesus said buy a sword, and the disciples replied they had two swords, Jesus said that was enough.

Thus, the swords were not for self defense or for killing those who attack. Two swords would not be nearly enough to combat the Roman soldiers who were coming to arrest Jesus.

In fact, when Peter used his sword to cut off someone’s ear, Jesus healed the ear and scolded Peter to put away his sword.

Jesus condemned weaponry by saying that all who use the sword will perish by the sword.

Those two swords were enough for Jesus to be reckoned among the transgressors. The Roman soldiers could see the swords and arrest Jesus for being an instigator of armed rebellion against the empire.

"Jesus reckoned among the transgressors" refers to the fulfillment of prophecy (Isaiah 53:12) where Jesus was treated, condemned, and executed as a common criminal, specifically by being crucified between two thieves. This act represents his deep identification with sinful humanity, substituting himself in the place of sinners to achieve atonement and reconciliation with God.


Luke 22

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Hold to your ideas.
I shall not continue to discuss the Bible with someone who does not respect what it teaches.

 

[Anchorite]

Hold to your ideas.
I shall not continue to discuss the Bible with someone who does not respect what it teaches.

You are the one trashing the many pacifist statements of Jesus.

You are the one telling Christians they can arm themselves and kill their enemies.

You are the one who doesn’t understand why martyrs did not defend themselves.

You cannot derive any of your violent malicious ideas from the New Testament.

 

[markalan]

You are the one trashing the many pacifist statements of Jesus.

You are the one telling Christians they can arm themselves and kill their enemies.

You are the one who doesn’t understand why martyrs did not defend themselves.

You cannot derive any of your violent malicious ideas from the New Testament.

I am wondering if your ideas about pacifism extend to the police and military using weapons in the course of their duty.

 

[markalan]

That's five of the eleven modern English translations of the bible I have on my E-Sword program that include "without a cause."

It seems clear to me that the phrase should be included.
You listed MKJV as well as NKJV ... I have not heard of the MKJV before.

 

[markalan]

Why?
What did Jesus do to offenders,enemies, in his first testimony? The Tanakh.

Do you think Jesus taught "an eye for an eye"?

As to so called Preppers,that's in the Bible too.

Proverbs 21:20 Precious treasure and oil are in a wise man's dwelling, but a foolish man devours it.

1Timothy 5:8
But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

I am not against prepping ... in fact I have food & water stored for an unexpected event.
However, I don't see how I could keep this all for myself and not share it with others who were without.
I might feel differently if I had young children to feed.