When Jesus "took away" your sin, did He leave behind the source, the sin nature?

[PS95]

Don't you think there is a difference in character between being angry with a brother from righteous indignation, than, say, jealousy? I do. The first is not a sin at all, where the second is very immature indeed. Jesus builds our character where we can be truly happy for your brother and his windfall. I've spoken about forgiveness, so I think we see eye to eye on the seriousness of holding a grudge, and letting a root of bitterness take hold. That is one of the check-offs on my personal checklist I go through before bed. That and checking my conscience.

Right now I'm going through the pain of deliberate shunning, and I haven't a clue what the problem is. Nothing has happened that I can remember, but she is not taking my phone calls anymore, where just up until a year ago for over 40 years we could stay of the phone for 90 minutes and laugh till my sides ached. The Lord helped me grow in this area when I was a teenager. I happened to come across some pictures of my boyfriend that a high school girlfriend had stolen from me because of her own "secret" crush. I wouldn't speak to her for 4 months, and would hang up on her if she called. Then God took me in hand and reminded me of how she had been raised and the state removed all six children from the unfit parents. Stealing was natural for her to survive. I then called her and forgave her. So now, I look for the hidden reasons behind the bad behavior. As for my current friend shunning me, I can see another difference in how we were each raised. I was an only child, and my love for my friends were deep and life-long. She on the other hand was never the one to call me when we talked. I was. She was raised on a farm and had lots of barnyard chores. I didn't. And so on. So, hard as it is, I have to just love her and let her go. I'll miss her. At my age, going on 79, friends and relatives are dying and try as I might to keep the friends I have left, it isn't working out as I would have liked. This is just natural for her, but not for me. Forgiveness is easier for me since God showed me that friend's childhood when I was a teenager. I now always look for an excuse for their behavior and realize not everyone's feelings are deep or loyal. Some were just developed to be shallow, and not take it too personally.

None of your post addressed my point. I just simply ask you again to re-read it and compare it to what you've been saying about defining big & little sins. There are many other examples.

I'm sorry you are being shunned. I know what that's like having Jw family. But your friend is obviously not a Jw. That's whole other issue.
Maybe it would help if you wrote her a letter- the old fashioned way- telling her that you miss her & seek her apology for anything you may have said that hurt her.
Give her the verse about going to the altar knowing your brother has something against you. Maybe she needs to read that.
But I would refrain from trying to "teach" her anything.
Blessed be the peacemaker.

 

[PS95]

Hi Lambano- I don't see all sin as willful.

"I don't know how I ended up in bed with that woman; it just happened."

In my experience, all sin is willful and premeditated.

There have been many times when a thought popped into my head that I didn't want.
To me just having the thought was sinful- but not deadly- it's a reminder though that I still sin.
Maybe my standard is too high for some but I can't imagine God having to reject a bad thought.
And there are those moments where I feel anger at someone because of something they said or did- I am convicted of it later to forgive it but why did I do it to begin with? I don't seem to be able to let it go as it is happening. I have to be reminded or remind myself then work on it and let it go.
One day a friend was pestering me to go somewhere with her, and I really didn't want to go. I told her NO, sorry-not interested- a few times but she was being relentless, and no matter how much I thought just to say yes to shut her up- I did not want to go. Finally, Out of nowhere - I blurted out "I have something else to do that day".
We hung up and and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I just lied to her! What? I don't lie anymore- how could I do that?
I felt awful about it for days.
But I still did not want to go. I never intended to lie to her. It just sort of appeared- the old man popped out? WHY? because she was making me upset- meet my flesh? Not an excuse but that's how I saw it. It didn't really lessen the guilt I felt- but maybe just a tad. I know I never intended it or thought about it- I just blurted that out.
I realize now that I need to always let the Spirit control me- every second. I'm just not always able to do that. Does anyone know how? idk
I confessed my sin but I still didn't go with her. Maybe I just should have gone..

Your thoughts are all welcome--
@marks @1stCenturyLady @Anchorite @Lizbeth

 

[Anchorite]

Hi Lambano- I don't see all sin as willful.

There have been many times when a thought popped into my head that I didn't want.
To me just having the thought was sinful- but not deadly- it's a reminder though that I still sin.
Maybe my standard is too high for some but I can't imagine God having to reject a bad thought.
And there are those moments where I feel anger at someone because of something they said or did- I am convicted of it later to forgive it but why did I do it to begin with? I don't seem to be able to let it go as it is happening. I have to be reminded or remind myself then work on it and let it go.
One day a friend was pestering me to go somewhere with her, and I really didn't want to go. I told her NO, sorry-not interested- a few times but she was being relentless, and no matter how much I thought just to say yes to shut her up- I did not want to go. Finally, Out of nowhere - I blurted out "I have something else to do that day".
We hung up and and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I just lied to her! What? I don't lie anymore- how could I do that?
I felt awful about it for days.
But I still did not want to go. I never intended to lie to her. It just sort of appeared- the old man popped out? WHY? because she was making me upset- meet my flesh? Not an excuse but that's how I saw it. It didn't really lessen the guilt I felt- but maybe just a tad. I know I never intended it or thought about it- I just blurted that out.
I realize now that I need to always let the Spirit control me- every second. I'm just not always able to do that. Does anyone know how? idk
I confessed my sin but I still didn't go with her. Maybe I just should have gone..

Your thoughts are all welcome--
@marks @1stCenturyLady @Anchorite @Lizbeth

That is a common situation.

Perhaps if you simply stated why you did not want to go, she would not have pestered you so much. “I don’t go to bars (movie theaters or whatnot) anymore because…”

Your friend was being sadistic, trying to bully you, wear you down, to force you to comply with them. You must NEVER give in and submit to such manipulation. The more someone pesters you, the stronger you should resist. Never let anyone compel you to obey their whims.

You actually did have something else to do that day, which you ended up doing, even if it was just hanging out at home.

Your lie was done willfully, because you willed yourself to say it, but it was a quick reaction to pestering. It was not accidental lying, but it does not make you a habitual liar.

Next time confront the person who is pestering you. Tell them nicely, but firmly, how you do not appreciate being hounded over and over. That friend has revealed that they think you are someone they can conquer, they do not respect you like a friend should.

All sins are deadly. The wages of sin is death. Some sins are more catastrophic than others, but I think it is very dangerous to classify sins as big or little. All the commands of God are to be obeyed.

 

[Behold]

Behold, you must not know a lot about Pentecostalism because, when it comes to sin, they are just as in error as any other Protestant denomination.

I'd say you are the one with the limited knowledge regarding the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movements, even tho you are one of their obvious products @1stCenturyLady

You are the one who teaches that YOU can lose Salvation........and that is a 100% "Charismatic - Pentecostal" theology that all of these carnal denominates teach their people.

Most of the contemporary "Word of Faith" groups have now stopped teaching that garbage Theology......but the rest........still teach it currently.

See ... Its the Charismatic-Pentecostal-Word of Faith, who chase "the Acts of the Apostles" not realizing that this book is dealing with "signs of an Apostle..... 2 Corin 12:12......not signs of a Christian.
So, those 3 Groups do not understand this, and that is why they have their members wasting their lives chasing "The Acts of the Apostles".

 

[marks]

Hi Lambano- I don't see all sin as willful.

There have been many times when a thought popped into my head that I didn't want.
To me just having the thought was sinful- but not deadly- it's a reminder though that I still sin.
Maybe my standard is too high for some but I can't imagine God having to reject a bad thought.
And there are those moments where I feel anger at someone because of something they said or did- I am convicted of it later to forgive it but why did I do it to begin with? I don't seem to be able to let it go as it is happening. I have to be reminded or remind myself then work on it and let it go.
One day a friend was pestering me to go somewhere with her, and I really didn't want to go. I told her NO, sorry-not interested- a few times but she was being relentless, and no matter how much I thought just to say yes to shut her up- I did not want to go. Finally, Out of nowhere - I blurted out "I have something else to do that day".
We hung up and and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I just lied to her! What? I don't lie anymore- how could I do that?
I felt awful about it for days.
But I still did not want to go. I never intended to lie to her. It just sort of appeared- the old man popped out? WHY? because she was making me upset- meet my flesh? Not an excuse but that's how I saw it. It didn't really lessen the guilt I felt- but maybe just a tad. I know I never intended it or thought about it- I just blurted that out.
I realize now that I need to always let the Spirit control me- every second. I'm just not always able to do that. Does anyone know how? idk
I confessed my sin but I still didn't go with her. Maybe I just should have gone..

Your thoughts are all welcome--
@marks @1stCenturyLady @Anchorite @Lizbeth

Amen! By the time we are saying or doing something wrong, or even sometimes thinking it, we've stepped out of walking in the Spirit, and have started walking according to flesh. And flesh does what it always does, sin.

I think your standard is correct. Sin for the Christian isn't about lists of does and don'ts. That's entirely too shallow a definition. Sin is what comes from the flesh, regardless of what it looks like.

When faced with a contrary situation we can choose to trust Jesus and seek His wisdom, or we can revert to the old ways. The first means we've passed the test, the second means we've succombed to the temptation.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

I confessed my sin

If Jesus has paid for your sin, 2000 yrs ago with His blood and death, then you can believe this as you should, and once you do get your faith right, you'll stop wasting your time confessing what is already eternally forgiven.


Listen Reader.. "The Blood of Jesus, cleanses us from all sin"......... 2000 yrs ago when He shed His blood and became.....

A.) "God hath made JESUS... to be SIN for us".......as "the ONE TIME....Etermal Sacrifice for sin".

See that "ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"...that means Jesus's Sacrifice has ETERNALLY Paid for your sin, if you are born again.

Now, if you are confessing sin, that has been ETERNALLY dealt with by Jesus's BLOOD ATONEMENT 2000 yrs ago, then this proves you are not yet understanding what Jesus said is "FINISHED"........just before He died on The Cross.

So, what really happens when a carnal minded "christian"......confesses sin?

A.) They get a "guilt trip" relief, and its Not God relieving you.......its your own little system of ...."do a carnal deed, confess it, and then repeat it later"........usually.
So, all that is happening, is NOTHING at all.........you are just freeing yourself from your own self imposed GUILT TRIP that you are experiencing, as God is not forgiving you over and over.........because He has already eternally forgiven you through Christ on The Cross... 2000 yrs ago .

And before some Heretic comes running to my post with 1 John 1......then let me direct you to 1 John 3:9, as that one is for the BELIEVER, as doctrine.......and do use a KJV for this verse, or a "new bible" will probably confuse you even more then you already are confused.

 

[PS95]

That is a common situation.

Perhaps if you simply stated why you did not want to go, she would not have pestered you so much. “I don’t go to bars (movie theaters or whatnot) anymore because…”

I wrote that I did over and over again. She was relentless. It wasn't to go do anything sinful.
Just to have lunch with some people from high school that I didn't care to see again.

Your friend was being sadistic, trying to bully you, wear you down, to force you to comply with them. You must NEVER give in and submit to such manipulation. The more someone pesters you, the stronger you should resist. Never let anyone compel you to obey their whims.

I wouldn't say bully- was just being insistent. She is a believer.

You actually did have something else to do that day, which you ended up doing, even if it was just hanging out at home.

Your lie was done willfully, because you willed yourself to say it, but it was a quick reaction to pestering. It was not accidental lying, but it does not make you a habitual liar.

It's still a sin. and willful you say. Could be.

Next time confront the person who is pestering you. Tell them nicely, but firmly, how you do not appreciate being hounded over and over. That friend has revealed that they think you are someone they can conquer, they do not respect you like a friend should.

Yeah I would feel funny telling her she was hounding me. But it beats lying to her!

All sins are deadly. The wages of sin is death. Some sins are more catastrophic than others, but I think it is very dangerous to classify sins as big or little. All the commands of God are to be obeyed.

I agree all needs to be obeyed. But there are times when I have a thought that I did not intend- it seem to just be put there- just momentarily and I dismiss it .
BUT sometimes I sin longer like not forgiving someone who keeps hurting, me but I've come a long way- knowing I need to and can forgive everyone.
But I struggle with blatant false teachers like jws- it's hard because they deliberately spread lies and call all Christians antichrists. I pray for them individually but I am also angry with them. They bring a totally different gospel in every way and cheat others from Christ. They speak lies in hypocrisy, It's horrid.

So- if you see all sins as willful what do you think Hebrews mean about willful sinning- having no sacrifice left? That was clearly said to believers.

 

[PS95]

Amen! By the time we are saying or doing something wrong, or even sometimes thinking it, we've stepped out of walking in the Spirit, and have started walking according to flesh. And flesh does what it always does, sin.

I think your standard is correct. Sin for the Christian isn't about lists of does and don'ts. That's entirely too shallow a definition. Sin is what comes from the flesh, regardless of what it looks like.

When faced with a contrary situation we can choose to trust Jesus and seek His wisdom, or we can revert to the old ways. The first means we've passed the test, the second means we've succombed to the temptation.

Much love!

I agree- thanks Marks. I suppose the big Q is how do we always walk in the flesh? My husband says to keep a running dialogue of sorts with God. -I forget sometimes! I don't know how to make myself always remember. I can't seem to have a dialogue with God while someone else is talking to me.. lol I find I can only concentrate on one or the other. I'm no multi- tasker.
How do you stay in the Spirit?

 

[Behold]

So- if you see all sins as willful what do you think Hebrews mean about willful sinning- having no sacrifice left? That was clearly said to believers.

Reader,

Let me get to you first, so at least you'll have a chance to understand the verses correctly.

First of all, ....everyone in Heb Chapter 6 and 10 are all JEWS....(HEBREWS).......and the Apostle preaching to them, is the only one who is SAVED in those verses. He is the ONLY Born again Believer in those verses.
And what the Apostle is doing is..........He is trying to get these unsaved Christ Rejecting JEWS, (Hebrews) to stop Rejecting their Messiah.
He's telling them that this is (KJV) """willfully sinning""", and its "troding underfoot the blood of Christ" and its "doing despite to the Spirit of Grace".

And their reaction is to continue to REJECT Jesus, as their Messiah, So, He tells them.....""If you reject your messiah, willfully, then there is no other Salvation available for you "No more sacrifice available"..., as you are REJECTING THE ONLY ONE GOD HAS PROVIDED to you.""

Reader....What these verses are showing us is the '"unpardonable sin"" being committed by these Christ rejecting unsaved JEWS. (Hebrews).

Now, take this correct teaching in place of the Forum Heretics teaching which will try to make you believe that you are one of those unsaved Christ Rejecting Hebrews in those verses, found in Heb Chap 6 & 10.

= And then, open your NT to Acts 28:28, and you'll find the same happening again.....with PAUL and these Christ Rejecting Hebrews as this ia a mirror verse regarding Hebrews Chapters 6 & 10.......its the same situation.
Paul then tells these "willfully sinning" UNSAVED Christ Rejecting JEWS.. (Hebrews) that He'll take the gospel to the GENTILES and "they will believe it".

So, just remember that in Hebrews Chapters 6 and 10, you find an Apostle preaching CHRIST as MESSIAH to a group of UNSAVED Jews (Hebrews) and He gives them some incredibly strong warnings, and they just ignore them all.........exactly as you find these Hebrews ignoring Paul's Gospel in Acts 28:28.

 

[PS95]

If Jesus has paid for your sin, 2000 yrs ago with His blood and death, then you can believe this as you should, and once you do get your faith right, you'll stop wasting your time confessing what is already eternally forgiven.


Listen Reader.. "The Blood of Jesus, cleanses us from all sin"......... 2000 yrs ago when He shed His blood and became.....

A.) "God hath made JESUS... to be SIN for us".......as "the ONE TIME....Etermal Sacrifice for sin".

See that "ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"...that means Jesus's Sacrifice has ETERNALLY Paid for your sin, if you are born again.

Now, if you are confessing sin, that has been ETERNALLY dealt with by Jesus's BLOOD ATONEMENT 2000 yrs ago, then this proves you are not yet understanding what Jesus said is "FINISHED"........just before He died on The Cross.

So, what really happens when a carnal minded "christian"......confesses sin?

A.) They get a "guilt trip" relief, and its Not God relieving you.......its your own little system of ...."do a carnal deed, confess it, and then repeat it later"........usually.
So, all that is happening, is NOTHING at all.........you are just freeing yourself from your own self imposed GUILT TRIP that you are experiencing, as God is not forgiving you over and over.........because He has already eternally forgiven you through Christ on The Cross... 2000 yrs ago .

And before some Heretic comes running to my post with 1 John 1......then let me direct you to 1 John 3:9, as that one is for the BELIEVER, as doctrine.......and do use a KJV for this verse, or a "new bible" will probably confuse you even more then you already are confused.

Behold- I believe that Jesus takes our sins away too and it was 2000+ yrs ago. But He took my past sins and threw them all away- and asked me to walk with Him in holiness now- walk in newness of life- putting to death the deeds of the flesh-
when I fail and realize that I disobeyed His commands I know His blood will cleanse me- but there is nothing wrong with apologizing/confessing or for feeling badly for not walking in the way that pleases Him.

 

[marks]

So- if you see all sins as willful what do you think Hebrews mean about willful sinning- having no sacrifice left? That was clearly said to believers.

Actually, in saying "no more sacrifice", this refers to the end of a series. You can word study that word and you will see this consistent usage.

It was written to the Hebrews telling them that once you know about Jesus and His once for all sacrifice, you can't go back to offering sheep and goats as though Jesus blood were no better then animal blood.

Hebrews 10:26-29 KJV
26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

The key here is "no more", the ending of a series. If you apply this to Jesus, it requires that He be offered repeatedly, and now this is the last time. Jesus' offering was "once for all". It was the animal sacrifices that were repeated, and that was ended by Jesus' sacrifice of Himself.

Much love!

 

[Anchorite]

I wrote that I did over and over again. She was relentless. It wasn't to go do anything sinful.
Just to have lunch with some people from high school that I didn't care to see again.

I wouldn't say bully- was just being insistent. She is a believer.

It's still a sin. and willful you say. Could be.

Yeah I would feel funny telling her she was hounding me. But it beats lying to her!

I agree all needs to be obeyed. But there are times when I have a thought that I did not intend- it seem to just be put there- just momentarily and I dismiss it .
BUT sometimes I sin longer like not forgiving someone who keeps hurting, me but I've come a long way- knowing I need to and can forgive everyone.
But I struggle with blatant false teachers like jws- it's hard because they deliberately spread lies and call all Christians antichrists. I pray for them individually but I am also angry with them. They bring a totally different gospel in every way and cheat others from Christ. They speak lies in hypocrisy, It's horrid.

So- if you see all sins as willful what do you think Hebrews mean about willful sinning- having no sacrifice left? That was clearly said to believers.

Just because your friend is a believer does not mean she was not bullying you. As a woman, you might prefer to say she was pestering you. But your friend was relentless, which means she wanted to force you, over-power you, manipulate you to do something you did not want to do, which is unkind and disrespectful.

Why worry about the Jehovahs Witnesses? Do they pester you too? Perhaps you need to learn about setting boundaries.

In a biblical context, "willfully sinning" refers to a conscious, deliberate, and unrepentant rejection of God's truth after having known it. Rather than an accidental stumble, unplanned fall, or failing in an internal struggle, it represents a calculated happy return to a lifestyle of habitual disobedience and spiritual rebellion, knowingly disobeying God and not caring.

 

[PS95]

Let me get to you first, so at least you'll have a chance to understand the verse correctly.

First of all, ....everyone in Heb Chapter 6 and 10 are all JEWS....(HEBREWS).......and the Apostle preaching to them, is the only one who is SAVED in those verses.
And what He is doing is..........He is trying to get these Christ Rejecting JEWS, (Hebrews) to stop Rejecting their Messiah.
He's telling them that this is willfully sinning, and its "troding underfoot the blood of Christ" and its "doing despite to the spirit of Grace".

And their reaction is to continue to REJECT Jesus, as their Messiah, So, He tells them.........If you reject your messiah, willfully, then there is no other Salvation available for you, as you are REJECTIONG THE ONLY ONE GOD HAS PROVIDED.

Now, take that teaching in place of the the Heretics teaching which will try to make you believe you are one of those Christ Rejecting Hebrews in those verses, found in Heb Chap 6-10.

Amd then, open your NT to Acts 28:28, and you'll find the same happening again.....with PAUL and these Christ Rejecting Hebrews as this ia a mirror verse.......its the same situation.
Paul then tells these "willfully sinning". Christ Rejecting JEWS.. (Hebrews) that He'll take the gospel to the GENTILES and "they will believe it".

You can't be serious.
He is encouraging them to remain in the faith. They are believers who are struggling due to persecutions. You are really missing context there.
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Hebrews 6
1Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3And this we will do if God permits.

4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

7For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

9But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner. 10For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end, 12that you do not become [e]sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
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[PS95]

Reader,

Let me get to you first, so at least you'll have a chance to understand the verses correctly.

First of all, ....everyone in Heb Chapter 6 and 10 are all JEWS....(HEBREWS).......and the Apostle preaching to them, is the only one who is SAVED in those verses. He is the ONLY Born again Believer in those verses.
And what the Apostle is doing is..........He is trying to get these unsaved Christ Rejecting JEWS, (Hebrews) to stop Rejecting their Messiah.
He's telling them that this is (KJV) """willfully sinning""", and its "troding underfoot the blood of Christ" and its "doing despite to the Spirit of Grace".

And their reaction is to continue to REJECT Jesus, as their Messiah, So, He tells them.....""If you reject your messiah, willfully, then there is no other Salvation available for you "No more sacrifice available"..., as you are REJECTING THE ONLY ONE GOD HAS PROVIDED to you.""

Reader....What these verses are showing us is the '"unpardonable sin"" being committed by these Christ rejecting unsaved JEWS. (Hebrews).

Now, take this correct teaching in place of the Forum Heretics teaching which will try to make you believe that you are one of those unsaved Christ Rejecting Hebrews in those verses, found in Heb Chap 6 & 10.

= And then, open your NT to Acts 28:28, and you'll find the same happening again.....with PAUL and these Christ Rejecting Hebrews as this ia a mirror verse regarding Hebrews Chapters 6 & 10.......its the same situation.
Paul then tells these "willfully sinning" UNSAVED Christ Rejecting JEWS.. (Hebrews) that He'll take the gospel to the GENTILES and "they will believe it".

So, just remember that in Hebrews Chapters 6 and 10, you find an Apostle preaching CHRIST as MESSIAH to a group of UNSAVED Jews (Hebrews) and He gives them some incredibly strong warnings, and they just ignore them all.........exactly as you find these Hebrews ignoring Paul's Gospel in Acts 28:28.

Hebrews 10- Again- written TO Jewish believers

19Therefore, brethren, having boldness[f] to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21and having a High Priest over the house of God, 22let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. 24And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.
26For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[PS95]

Actually, in saying "no more sacrifice", this refers to the end of a series. You can word study that word and you will see this consistent usage.

It was written to the Hebrews telling them that once you know about Jesus and His once for all sacrifice, you can't go back to offering sheep and goats as though Jesus blood were no better then animal blood.

Hebrews 10:26-29 KJV
26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

The key here is "no more", the ending of a series. If you apply this to Jesus, it requires that He be offered repeatedly, and now this is the last time. Jesus' offering was "once for all". It was the animal sacrifices that were repeated, and that was ended by Jesus' sacrifice of Himself.

Much love!

I agree with this- and I emboldened what happens if they do apostatize. ( leave the faith)

 

[PS95]

Just because your friend is a believer does not mean she was not bullying you. As a woman, you might prefer to say she was pestering you. But your friend was relentless, which means she wanted to force you, over-power you, manipulate you to do something you did not want to do, which is unkind and disrespectful.

I should have handled it better.

Why worry about the Jehovahs Witnesses? Do they pester you too? Perhaps you need to learn about setting boundaries.

My entire family are Jws.
I was raised in it but was not baptized as jw.
They shun me (30 yrs) now but on occasion we do speak- on their terms only, and I find that I need to forgive the things they say to me and about me and Christians as a whole. It can be difficult.
I don't just throw people out permanently the way they do. I know they have been misled and are blinded and I have some compassion on them. I remember what it's like.

In a biblical context, "willfully sinning" refers to a conscious, deliberate, and unrepentant rejection of God's truth after having known it. Rather than an accidental stumble, unplanned fall, or failing in an internal struggle, it represents a calculated happy return to a lifestyle of habitual disobedience and spiritual rebellion, knowingly disobeying God and not caring.

I agree- I think it's apostasy.

 

[Behold]

Behold- I believe that Jesus takes our sins away too and it was 2000+ yrs ago. But He took my past sins and threw them all away- and asked me to walk with Him in holiness now- walk in newness of life- putting to death the deeds of the flesh-

Walking in "holiness" is not "putting away the deeds of the Flesh.", as you can be a Christ Rejector, and still control some of your carnality, and yet you are not a Christian, you are just a person who has some self control.
Whereas, to walk in "holiness" is to have "imputed righteousness" that is the "gift of Salvation and all the born again have it.
Walking in "Holiness" Its actually maintaining the revelation of who you have become "in Christ"...as these in the list below , = which have been provided by God to every born again Believer for eternity.

1.) Heir of God......"One with God"
2.) Joint Heir with Jesus... "In Christ".
3.) Temple of the Holy Spirit
4.) Having received the imputed righteousness from God.
5.) Made free from sin, (by no longer being under the law that once defined you as a sinner.

"Holiness" is what we have become.......as "the righteousness of God, in Christ'........its not what we do......its what we have become.
Its where we exist as "in Christ".
Its our eternal status.
Its our Heavenly ID.

Like this.....>"as Jesus is, so are the born again, in this world".

In other words.......our "imputed righteousness" is our holiness before God.
He supplied it as "the Gift of Righteousness".


Our Discipleship, is our daily walk of faith.

Also, "walkiing in the Spirit" is the same thing......as to walk in the spirit, is to understand who you have become in GOD's perspective as a redeemed by the Holy BLOOD of Jesus, = Son/Daughter of God.
That KNOWLEDGE is your "helmet of salvation" and to put it on is to realize who you have become "in Christ".

The hardest thing for the new chrisitan or badly taught older believer to believe, is that God only sees us as what we have eternally become through the Blood of Jesus.........and never again does God see us as anything else.
So, We have to GET GOD's EYES.........and see ourselves as God sees us..........and He only sees us as having "imputed righteousness".
He gave it to us "while we were yet sinners".. as "the Gift of Righteousness".........and .not after we are trying to be good, later.

Listen.......our "goodness" as Abraham explains and as Paul teaches, is NOTHING when we compare it to God's HOLINESS & Righteousness,...so, we have to stop trying to equal that, by lifestyle, as it can't be done.
So, what we do, is we learn the revelation, that is what it means to be "in CHRIST".. .and that ends the condemnation and all the striving to try to be good enough to be accepted by God....., as God wont ever accept us based on our behavior.
If He would, or if He could, then Jesus didnt need to Die on The Cross as the only REASON that God will take us and keep us.
So, with that as our FAITH.......we then allow God's power to inform and empower our discipleship.......always understanding that our SALVATION is not our Discipleship.

And when we get this revelation of WHOM We have become in Christ, as our REAL FAITH..then we have "worked out our salvation"., and not before.

when I fail and realize that I disobeyed His commands I know His blood will cleanse me-

Christ's blood already has cleansed you, and you are not required to try to keep your Salvation.....as you didnt cause it, so, you can't keep it.
Salvation is a ""GIFT"" from God that is not based on how you behave........its only based on the finished work of Jesus on The Cross being applied to you forever, because you gave God your faith in Christ, and "our faith is counted by God, as (Christ's Righteousness)""... imputed to us, on our behalf, based only on GOD's MERCY.

Its according to God's MERCY that He saved us and keeps us saved.

but there is nothing wrong with apologizing/confessing or for feeling badly for not walking in the way that pleases Him.

Reader,
If and when you blow it, then have a conversation with God, that Thanks Him for always keeping you saved, always keeping you washed in the Blood of Jesus.
Do THAT instead of trying to confess sin to not go to hell, and you'll find that some issues you have been facing will begin to vanish, and they wont be back, as this is the effect of God's Grace when the Believer stops trying to stay saved, and realizes that God will keep them saved.
Phil 1:6

 

[1stCenturyLady]

None of your post addressed my point. I just simply ask you again to re-read it and compare it to what you've been saying about defining big & little sins. There are many other examples.

I'm sorry you are being shunned. I know what that's like having Jw family. But your friend is obviously not a Jw. That's whole other issue.
Maybe it would help if you wrote her a letter- the old fashioned way- telling her that you miss her & seek her apology for anything you may have said that hurt her.
Give her the verse about going to the altar knowing your brother has something against you. Maybe she needs to read that.
But I would refrain from trying to "teach" her anything.
Blessed be the peacemaker.

Yes, I already thought of that, and have written to her twice with no response.

When I was a little girl, between 5-7 my mother said to me, "why do you go over to your friends houses everyday? They don't like you. They never call you do they? Even though Proverbs 26:2 says a curse without cause shall not alight (stick), when things like this shunning happens, I know what my mother said to me has been a life-long curse. I just don't know what I did to deserve this.

I'll go hunt down your post and see if I can give you a better answer.

 

[PS95]

Walking in "holiness" is not "putting away the deeds of the Flesh.", as you can be a Christ Rejector, and still control some of your carnality, and yet you are not a Christian, you are just a person who has some self control.
Whereas, to walk in "holiness" is to have "imputed righteousness" that is the "gift of Salvation and all the born again have it.
Walking in "Holiness" Its actually maintaining the revelation of who you have become "in Christ"...as these in the list below , = which have been provided by God to every born again Believer for eternity.

1.) Heir of God......"One with God"
2.) Joint Heir with Jesus... "In Christ".
3.) Temple of the Holy Spirit
4.) Having received the imputed righteousness from God.
5.) Made free from sin, (by no longer being under the law that once defined you as a sinner.

"Holiness" is what we have become.......as "the righteousness of God, in Christ'........its not what we do......its what we have become.
Its where we exist as "in Christ".
Its our eternal status.
Its our Heavenly ID.

Like this.....>"as Jesus is, so are the born again, in this world".

Also, "walkiing in the Spirit" is the same thing......as to walk in the spirit, is to understand who you have become in GOD's perspective as a redeemed by the blood of Jesus, Son/Daughter of God.
That KNOWLEDGE is your "helmet of salvation" and to put it own is to realize who you have become "in Christ".

The hardest thing for the new chrisitan or badly taught older believer to believe, is that God only sees us as what we have eternally become through the Blood of Jesus.........and never again does God see us as anything else.
So, We have to GET GOD's EYES.........and see ourselves as God sees us..........and He only sees us as having "imputed righteousness".
He gave it to us "while we were yet sinners".. as "the Gift of Righteousness".........and .not after we are trying to be good, later.

Listen.......our "goodness" as Abrham explains, is NOTHING when we compare it to God's HOLINESS,...so, we have to stop trying to equal that, by lifestyle, as it can't be done.
So, what we do, is we learn the revelation, that is what it means to be "in CHRIST".. .and that ends the condemnation and all the striving to try to be good enough to be accepted by God....., as God wont ever accept us based on our behavior.
If He would, or if He could, then Jesus didnt need to Die on The Cross as the only REASON that God will take us and keep us.
So, with that as our FAITH.......we then allow God's power to inform and empower our discipleship.......always understanding that our SALVATION is not our Discipleship.

And when we get this revelation of WHOM We have become in Christ, as our REAL FAITH..then we have "worked out our salvation"., and not before.




Christ's blood already has cleansed you, and you are not required to try to keep your Salvation.....as you didnt cause it, so, you can't keep it.
Salvation is a ""GIFT"" from God that is not based on how you behave........its only based on the finished work of Jesus on The Cross being applied to you forever, because you gave God your faith in Christ, and "our faith is counted by God, as (Christ's Righteousness)... on our behalf



If you blow it, then have a conversation with God, that Thanks Him for always keeping you saved, always keeping you washed in the Blood of Jesus.
Do THAT instead of trying to confess sin to not go to hell, and you'll find that some issues you have been facing will begin to vanish, and they wont be back, as this is the effect of God's Grace when the Believer stops trying to stay saved, and realizes that God will keep them saved.
Phil 1:6

Behold. No offense - I'm sure you are a nice person. I believe that you love the Lord. But I didn't tag you on my post for a reason. We disagree on much. Holiness does have to do with how we act and we are cautioned against sins. We are given the righteousness of Christ and we are to walk in that righteousness.
It is not merely a one time prayer and that's that- the end. That is the beginning- our walk is ongoing and we are being transformed into being more and more like Jesus.
Thanks for your reply but I don't want to argue this with you again. We've done it over and over, and I give you verses and you give me the same lecture each time as if I think if I sin that I'm not saved.
I do not think that, but it doesn't make me happy to do something that doesn't please the Lord. I don't just take in stride or ignore it.
Try to get that.

 

[Behold]

Hebrews 10- Again- written TO Jewish believers

Its not written to Jewish believers in those verses.......as The Apostle would know that He does not have to get Beleivers to again trust in Christ.
See, You are so very badly instructed that you dont even recognize that the Apostle is giving them the GOSPEL. @PS95 .
He's trying to get them to BELIEVE in their Messiah, and they wont have it.
They are unbelievers.
Just read Acts 28:28 and discover unsaved Hebrews who are rejecting their Messiah, as you find with those in Heb 6 and 10.

Also, your verses say that these unsaved Hebrews have "tasted the gift".......it does not say they have believed it.
And they never did.......and that is "willfully sinning" away your only chance to be saved......because you are literally esteeming the very BLOOD that COULD SAVE YOU as ........."i dont want that".
And that is what is happening in your verses.