When Jesus "took away" your sin, did He leave behind the source, the sin nature?

[PS95]

Don't you think there is a difference in character between being angry with a brother from righteous indignation, than, say, jealousy? I do. The first is not a sin at all, where the second is very immature indeed. Jesus builds our character where we can be truly happy for your brother and his windfall. I've spoken about forgiveness, so I think we see eye to eye on the seriousness of holding a grudge, and letting a root of bitterness take hold. That is one of the check-offs on my personal checklist I go through before bed. That and checking my conscience.

Right now I'm going through the pain of deliberate shunning, and I haven't a clue what the problem is. Nothing has happened that I can remember, but she is not taking my phone calls anymore, where just up until a year ago for over 40 years we could stay of the phone for 90 minutes and laugh till my sides ached. The Lord helped me grow in this area when I was a teenager. I happened to come across some pictures of my boyfriend that a high school girlfriend had stolen from me because of her own "secret" crush. I wouldn't speak to her for 4 months, and would hang up on her if she called. Then God took me in hand and reminded me of how she had been raised and the state removed all six children from the unfit parents. Stealing was natural for her to survive. I then called her and forgave her. So now, I look for the hidden reasons behind the bad behavior. As for my current friend shunning me, I can see another difference in how we were each raised. I was an only child, and my love for my friends were deep and life-long. She on the other hand was never the one to call me when we talked. I was. She was raised on a farm and had lots of barnyard chores. I didn't. And so on. So, hard as it is, I have to just love her and let her go. I'll miss her. At my age, going on 79, friends and relatives are dying and try as I might to keep the friends I have left, it isn't working out as I would have liked. This is just natural for her, but not for me. Forgiveness is easier for me since God showed me that friend's childhood when I was a teenager. I now always look for an excuse for their behavior and realize not everyone's feelings are deep or loyal. Some were just developed to be shallow, and not take it too personally.

None of your post addressed my point. I just simply ask you again to re-read it and compare it to what you've been saying about defining big & little sins. There are many other examples.

I'm sorry you are being shunned. I know what that's like having Jw family. But your friend is obviously not a Jw. That's whole other issue.
Maybe it would help if you wrote her a letter- the old fashioned way- telling her that you miss her & seek her apology for anything you may have said that hurt her.
Give her the verse about going to the altar knowing your brother has something against you. Maybe she needs to read that.
But I would refrain from trying to "teach" her anything.
Blessed be the peacemaker.

 

[PS95]

Hi Lambano- I don't see all sin as willful.

"I don't know how I ended up in bed with that woman; it just happened."

In my experience, all sin is willful and premeditated.

There have been many times when a thought popped into my head that I didn't want.
To me just having the thought was sinful- but not deadly- it's a reminder though that I still sin.
Maybe my standard is too high for some but I can't imagine God having to reject a bad thought.
And there are those moments where I feel anger at someone because of something they said or did- I am convicted of it later to forgive it but why did I do it to begin with? I don't seem to be able to let it go as it is happening. I have to be reminded or remind myself then work on it and let it go.
One day a friend was pestering me to go somewhere with her, and I really didn't want to go. I told her NO, sorry-not interested- a few times but she was being relentless, and no matter how much I thought just to say yes to shut her up- I did not want to go. Finally, Out of nowhere - I blurted out "I have something else to do that day".
We hung up and and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I just lied to her! What? I don't lie anymore- how could I do that?
I felt awful about it for days.
But I still did not want to go. I never intended to lie to her. It just sort of appeared- the old man popped out? WHY? because she was making me upset- meet my flesh? Not an excuse but that's how I saw it. It didn't really lessen the guilt I felt- but maybe just a tad. I know I never intended it or thought about it- I just blurted that out.
I realize now that I need to always let the Spirit control me- every second. I'm just not always able to do that. Does anyone know how? idk
I confessed my sin but I still didn't go with her. Maybe I just should have gone..

Your thoughts are all welcome--
@marks @1stCenturyLady @Anchorite @Lizbeth

 

[Anchorite]

Hi Lambano- I don't see all sin as willful.

There have been many times when a thought popped into my head that I didn't want.
To me just having the thought was sinful- but not deadly- it's a reminder though that I still sin.
Maybe my standard is too high for some but I can't imagine God having to reject a bad thought.
And there are those moments where I feel anger at someone because of something they said or did- I am convicted of it later to forgive it but why did I do it to begin with? I don't seem to be able to let it go as it is happening. I have to be reminded or remind myself then work on it and let it go.
One day a friend was pestering me to go somewhere with her, and I really didn't want to go. I told her NO, sorry-not interested- a few times but she was being relentless, and no matter how much I thought just to say yes to shut her up- I did not want to go. Finally, Out of nowhere - I blurted out "I have something else to do that day".
We hung up and and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I just lied to her! What? I don't lie anymore- how could I do that?
I felt awful about it for days.
But I still did not want to go. I never intended to lie to her. It just sort of appeared- the old man popped out? WHY? because she was making me upset- meet my flesh? Not an excuse but that's how I saw it. It didn't really lessen the guilt I felt- but maybe just a tad. I know I never intended it or thought about it- I just blurted that out.
I realize now that I need to always let the Spirit control me- every second. I'm just not always able to do that. Does anyone know how? idk
I confessed my sin but I still didn't go with her. Maybe I just should have gone..

Your thoughts are all welcome--
@marks @1stCenturyLady @Anchorite @Lizbeth

That is a common situation.

Perhaps if you simply stated why you did not want to go, she would not have pestered you so much. “I don’t go to bars (movie theaters or whatnot) anymore because…”

Your friend was being sadistic, trying to bully you, wear you down, to force you to comply with them. You must NEVER give in and submit to such manipulation. The more someone pesters you, the stronger you should resist. Never let anyone compel you to obey their whims.

You actually did have something else to do that day, which you ended up doing, even if it was just hanging out at home.

Your lie was done willfully, because you willed yourself to say it, but it was a quick reaction to pestering. It was not accidental lying, but it does not make you a habitual liar.

Next time confront the person who is pestering you. Tell them nicely, but firmly, how you do not appreciate being hounded over and over. That friend has revealed that they think you are someone they can conquer, they do not respect you like a friend should.

All sins are deadly. The wages of sin is death. Some sins are more catastrophic than others, but I think it is very dangerous to classify sins as big or little. All the commands of God are to be obeyed.

 

[Behold]

Behold, you must not know a lot about Pentecostalism because, when it comes to sin, they are just as in error as any other Protestant denomination.

I'd say you are the one with the limited knowledge regarding the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movements, even tho you are one of their obvious products @1stCenturyLady

You are the one who teaches that YOU can lose Salvation........and that is a 100% "Charismatic - Pentecostal" theology that all of these carnal denominates teach their people.

Most of the contemporary "Word of Faith" groups have now stopped teaching that garbage Theology......but the rest........still teach it currently.

See ... Its the Charismatic-Pentecostal-Word of Faith, who chase "the Acts of the Apostles" not realizing that this book is dealing with "signs of an Apostle..... 2 Corin 12:12......not signs of a Christian.
So, those 3 Groups do not understand this, and that is why they have their members wasting their lives chasing "The Acts of the Apostles".

 

[marks]

Hi Lambano- I don't see all sin as willful.

There have been many times when a thought popped into my head that I didn't want.
To me just having the thought was sinful- but not deadly- it's a reminder though that I still sin.
Maybe my standard is too high for some but I can't imagine God having to reject a bad thought.
And there are those moments where I feel anger at someone because of something they said or did- I am convicted of it later to forgive it but why did I do it to begin with? I don't seem to be able to let it go as it is happening. I have to be reminded or remind myself then work on it and let it go.
One day a friend was pestering me to go somewhere with her, and I really didn't want to go. I told her NO, sorry-not interested- a few times but she was being relentless, and no matter how much I thought just to say yes to shut her up- I did not want to go. Finally, Out of nowhere - I blurted out "I have something else to do that day".
We hung up and and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I just lied to her! What? I don't lie anymore- how could I do that?
I felt awful about it for days.
But I still did not want to go. I never intended to lie to her. It just sort of appeared- the old man popped out? WHY? because she was making me upset- meet my flesh? Not an excuse but that's how I saw it. It didn't really lessen the guilt I felt- but maybe just a tad. I know I never intended it or thought about it- I just blurted that out.
I realize now that I need to always let the Spirit control me- every second. I'm just not always able to do that. Does anyone know how? idk
I confessed my sin but I still didn't go with her. Maybe I just should have gone..

Your thoughts are all welcome--
@marks @1stCenturyLady @Anchorite @Lizbeth

Amen! By the time we are saying or doing something wrong, or even sometimes thinking it, we've stepped out of walking in the Spirit, and have started walking according to flesh. And flesh does what it always does, sin.

I think your standard is correct. Sin for the Christian isn't about lists of does and don'ts. That's entirely too shallow a definition. Sin is what comes from the flesh, regardless of what it looks like.

When faced with a contrary situation we can choose to trust Jesus and seek His wisdom, or we can revert to the old ways. The first means we've passed the test, the second means we've succombed to the temptation.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

I confessed my sin

If Jesus has paid for your sin, 2000 yrs ago with His blood and death, then you can believe this as you should, and once you do get your faith right, you'll stop wasting your time confessing what is already eternally forgiven.


Listen Reader.. "The Blood of Jesus, cleanses us from all sin"......... 2000 yrs ago when He shed His blood and became.....

A.) "God hath made JESUS... to be SIN for us".......as "the ONE TIME....Etermal Sacrifice for sin".

See that "ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"...that means Jesus's Sacrifice has ETERNALLY Paid for your sin, if you are born again.

Now, if you are confessing sin, that has been ETERNALLY dealt with by Jesus's BLOOD ATONEMENT 2000 yrs ago, then this proves you are not yet understanding what Jesus said is "FINISHED"........just before He died on The Cross.

So, what really happens when a carnal minded "christian"......confesses sin?

A.) They get a "guilt trip" relief, and its Not God relieving you.......its your own little system of ...."do a carnal deed, confess it, and then repeat it later"........usually.
So, all that is happening, is NOTHING at all.........you are just freeing yourself from your own self imposed GUILT TRIP that you are experiencing, as God is not forgiving you over and over.........because He has already eternally forgiven you through Christ on The Cross... 2000 yrs ago .

And before some Heretic comes running to my post with 1 John 1......then let me direct you to 1 John 3:9, as that one is for the BELIEVER, as doctrine.......and do use a KJV for this verse, or a "new bible" will probably confuse you even more then you already are confused.

 

[PS95]

That is a common situation.

Perhaps if you simply stated why you did not want to go, she would not have pestered you so much. “I don’t go to bars (movie theaters or whatnot) anymore because…”

I wrote that I did over and over again. She was relentless. It wasn't to go do anything sinful.
Just to have lunch with some people from high school that I didn't care to see again.

Your friend was being sadistic, trying to bully you, wear you down, to force you to comply with them. You must NEVER give in and submit to such manipulation. The more someone pesters you, the stronger you should resist. Never let anyone compel you to obey their whims.

I wouldn't say bully- was just being insistent. She is a believer.

You actually did have something else to do that day, which you ended up doing, even if it was just hanging out at home.

Your lie was done willfully, because you willed yourself to say it, but it was a quick reaction to pestering. It was not accidental lying, but it does not make you a habitual liar.

It's still a sin. and willful you say. Could be.

Next time confront the person who is pestering you. Tell them nicely, but firmly, how you do not appreciate being hounded over and over. That friend has revealed that they think you are someone they can conquer, they do not respect you like a friend should.

Yeah I would feel funny telling her she was hounding me. But it beats lying to her!

All sins are deadly. The wages of sin is death. Some sins are more catastrophic than others, but I think it is very dangerous to classify sins as big or little. All the commands of God are to be obeyed.

I agree all needs to be obeyed. But there are times when I have a thought that I did not intend- it seem to just be put there- just momentarily and I dismiss it .
BUT sometimes I sin longer like not forgiving someone who keeps hurting, me but I've come a long way- knowing I need to and can forgive everyone.
But I struggle with blatant false teachers like jws- it's hard because they deliberately spread lies and call all Christians antichrists. I pray for them individually but I am also angry with them. They bring a totally different gospel in every way and cheat others from Christ. They speak lies in hypocrisy, It's horrid.

So- if you see all sins as willful what do you think Hebrews mean about willful sinning- having no sacrifice left? That was clearly said to believers.