Evidence for the Genesis Flood

[William Barton]

Quote the scriptures for all this. Specifically other continents other than the Middle East.

But I am not contesting that the flood occurred.

IMO at the time of the creation (Genesis chapter 1) there was no Middle East, and there was only one continent (Pangaea).

 

[Grailhunter]

IMO at the time of the creation (Genesis chapter 1) there was no Middle East, and there was only one continent (Pangaea).

Morning

 

[William Barton]

Morning

If you are interested, go to Google, search "pangaea." It is a well-known theory.

 

[Grailhunter]

If you are interested, go to Google, search "pangaea." It is well-known.

I thought I answered this. Pangaea existed around 300 million years ago, not during the time of the flood.

 

[William Barton]

I thought I answered this. Pangaea existed around 300 million years ago, not during the time of the flood.

The Bible indicates that this entire universe is about 6000 years old.

The idea behind "millions" of years is that "anything is possible given enough time." But time is not the issue, rather the issue is that natural forces do not create order, they degrade order.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Bible indicates that this entire universe is about 6000 years old.

The idea behind "millions" of years is that "anything is possible given enough time." But time is not the issue, rather the issue is that natural forces do not create order, they degrade order.

My point was that there was not just one continent during the flood.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Bible indicates that this entire universe is about 6000 years old.

The idea behind "millions" of years is that "anything is possible given enough time." But time is not the issue, rather the issue is that natural forces do not create order, they degrade order.

And the world is flat.

 

[William Barton]

My point was that there was not just one continent during the flood.

The theory is that there was just one continent at the time of the flood (Pangaea) which broke up. Otherwise it must be explained why the coasts of North America, South America, Australia fit the coasts of Europe (which you have not explained).

 

[Grailhunter]

My point is that (IMO) there was just one continent at the time of the flood (Pangaea)

No chance.

Pangaea began to break apart approximately 200 million years ago, at the end of the Triassic and the start of the Jurassic period.​

Pangaea, the most recent supercontinent, formed roughly 335 million years ago during the Carboniferous period and remained largely intact through the Permian period, around 299 to 252 million years ago, stretching from pole to pole and surrounded by the super ocean Panthalassa The breakup of Pangaea was a gradual process driven by plate tectonics, where the Earth's lithospheric plates slowly moved apart due to mantle convection and other geological forces
The initial rifting began with a three-pronged fissure between what are now Africa, South America, and North America. Magma welled up through weaknesses in the crust, forming volcanic rift zones that eventually led to the creation of the Atlantic Ocean. Over millions of years, these rifts widened, and the continental fragments drifted to their present positions, forming the modern continents
The breakup of Pangaea had profound effects on Earth's climate, ocean circulation, and biodiversity. As the supercontinent fragmented, new shallow marine habitats emerged, and isolated landmasses allowed species to evolve independently, increasing biodiversity. This process also influenced the formation of mountain ranges, sedimentary basins, and the distribution of fossil records that provide evidence for the former supercontinent
In summary, Pangaea’s disintegration started around 200 million years ago, marking the transition from a single massive landmass to the configuration of continents we recognize today, a process that unfolded over tens of millions of years through the me

 

[William Barton]

I thought I answered this. Pangaea existed around 300 million years ago, not during the time of the flood.

Then how are the stars still shining? They are burning hydrogen, and I do not think the supply would last 200 million years.

 

[Grailhunter]

Then how are the stars still shining? They are burning hydrogen, and I do not think the supply would last 300 million years.

Then how are the stars still shining? They are burning hydrogen, and I do not think the supply would last 300 million years.

Well it did.
But just for your information, some of the stars we see at night might not be there any more. That light takes millions of years to get to us. At some point in the future we may see some of those light disappear.
Anyway I do not what to get into the young earth belief because it is just too silly.

 

[Wrangler]

Anyway I do not what to get into the young earth belief because it is just too silly.

Not a very Bible believing thing to write, is it?

One fatal flaw the Creation Museum pointed out is the assumption with LONG TIME that rates observed today are used to extrapolate into the past. Could be dramatically different rates in the past. Historical science v observational science.

 

[William Barton]

I thought I answered this. Pangaea existed around 300 million years ago, not during the time of the flood.

The Bible indicates about 6000 year-old earth.

 

[William Barton]

My point was that there was not just one continent during the flood.

My point is that we don't *know* that, it is a *hypothesis.*

The breakup is obvious, that is where the concept of Pangaea came from.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Bible indicates about 6000 year-old earth.

Like I said, I am not going to get into the young earth or flat earth debate

 

[William Barton]

And the world is flat.

The Bible says the earth is round ("circle," Isaiah 40:22, Job 26:10, Proverbs 8:27, Psalm 104:5, Acts 17:26).

The ancients knew the earth is curved, since ships would disappear over the horizon. I doubt if they knew the earth is a globe. In fact there are some among us who still do not believe the earth is a globe.

Well it did.
But just for your information, some of the stars we see at night might not be there any more. That light takes millions of years to get to us. At some point in the future we may see some of those light disappear.
Anyway I do not what to get into the young earth belief because it is just too silly.

The speed of light is about 186,000 miles per *second.* So I imagine we can see into space more than we need to.

For your information: I hold a B.S. in Engineering, a PhD in statistics.
and I am familiar (not fluent) with Latin, Greek, and Hebrew.

 

[William Barton]

Well it did.
But just for your information, some of the stars we see at night might not be there any more. That light takes millions of years to get to us. At some point in the future we may see some of those light disappear.
Anyway I do not what to get into the young earth belief because it is just too silly.

Trail hunter noted:
<Well it did.>

That is the atheist apologetic: "It just did!"

Not very scientific.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Bible says the earth is round ("circle," Isaiah 40:22, Job 26:10, Proverbs 8:27, Psalm 104:5, Acts 17:26).

The ancients knew the earth is curved, since ships would disappear over the horizon. I doubt if they knew the earth is a globe. In fact there are some among us who still do not believe the earth is a globe.


The speed of light is about 186,000 miles per *second.* So I imagine we can see into space more than we need to.

For your information: I hold a B.S. in Engineering, a PhD in statistics.
and I am familiar (not fluent) with Latin, Greek, and Hebrew.

l light travels at 186,282 miles per second and a lightyear is the distance that light travels in a year and some stars we see are millions of lightyears away.
Glad to know you are educated.

 

[William Barton]

My point was that there was not just one continent during the flood.

What is your reference?

 

[Grailhunter]

What is your reference?

When the Continents Divided​

The division of Earth’s continents into the separate landmasses we see today began about 200 million years ago, when the supercontinent Pangaea started to break apart Wikipedia+1. Pangaea had formed roughly 335 million years ago from earlier landmasses like Gondwana and Laurasia, and it was surrounded by a single vast ocean called Panthalassa Wikipedia.

Scientific Timeline​

• ~335–300 million years ago: Pangaea begins to form from earlier continental blocks Wikipedia.
• ~200 million years ago: Pangaea begins to split, with Gondwana (Africa, South America, India, Australia, Antarctica) separating from Laurasia (Europe, North America, Asia) StudyCountry.com.
• ~180–165 million years ago: The Atlantic Ocean opens as the northern and southern landmasses drift apart StudyCountry.com.
• ~50 million years ago: Gondwana fragments further, separating the continents within it StudyCountry.com.

This process is explained by plate tectonics, where the movement of Earth’s lithospheric plates caused the continents to rift, subside, and drift to their current positions Wikipedia+1.

Biblical Perspective​

In the Bible, Genesis 10:25 mentions that in the days of Peleg, “the earth was divided.” Some interpreters link this to the post-Flood period, suggesting that after the flood, rising ocean levels submerged land bridges (like the Bering land bridge) and separated continents Bible Study. However, this is a theological interpretation and not a scientific date.

Summary​

• Scientific consensus: Continents began separating ~200 million years ago, with the process continuing for tens of millions of years Wikipedia+1.
• Biblical view: Genesis 10:25 points to the time of Peleg, but this is not an exact geological date and is part of a symbolic or theological narrative Bible Study. <-------=

So, while the Bible offers a symbolic “when,” geology confirms the continents’ division began about 200 million years ago and was completed over the next 100–150 million years.