If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

[Gray_Joy]

It's shocking to read people try to talk us out of believing in Jesus and God's word.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Brother, it's this constant focus on how to get saved and stay saved that gets me. Like it's all about saving my sorry butt. Me, me, me, me, me.

That's how Jesus saw it.

He was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world. To save "my sorry butt".

 

[bdavidc]

I stated that because the OP has lost the plot, behaving as if he is not cognizant of the above obvious fact. And without a return to the gist, he risks derailing the thread entirely.


LIkewise, a believer "who permanently rejects Christ" "has no biblical right to claim he is one of Christ's sheep."

So we need to move from that non sequitur to the meat.


Indeed @ "...through faith..." i.e. our end of the deal. Free will choice can never be abrogated.


Yep.


apostasia (Strong's G646) = a falling away, defection, apostasy

It is believers who become apostate.

An apostate is someone who formally abandons or renounces their religious faith. Instead of "apostate," the KJV uses terms like "falling away," "rebellion," or "departing from the faith." Example: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away [G646] first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition (2 The. 2:3).

So attempting to conflate 1 John 2:19 with "apostasy" is another non sequitur.

Since the OP insists on restricting our responses to a "sealed" vs. "UNsealed" scenario...

The key to understanding re: the OP is to let scripture interpret scripture. Simply by reading all the appearances of the word seal (sphragizō), 26 times in 17 verses, the word defines itself.

The seal, the earnest, a promise, is integral with performance e.g. faithfulness.

Here's another look from a different angle:

Romans 15:25-29:

But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things. When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit [the alms], I will come by you into Spain. And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.

Paul was one that laid out himself to do good every way, like his Master, to the bodies as well as to the souls of people. Ministering to the saints is good work, and is not below the greatest apostles. This Paul had undertaken, and therefore he resolves to go through with it, before he fell upon other work: When I have sealed to them this fruit. He calls the alms fruit, for it is one of the fruits of righteousness; it sprang from a root of grace in the givers, and redounded to the benefit and comfort of the receivers. And his sealing it intimates his great care about it, that what was given might be kept entire, and not embezzled, but disposed of according to the design of the givers. Paul was very solicitous to approve himself faithful in the management of this matter: an excellent pattern for ministers to write after, that the ministry may in nothing be blamed. - Matthew Henry


But, in the context of the OP, that is not what it "means." Clearly, there is an ongoing agenda with the OP, a dishonest attempt to prove something that is false.


Yep. But, again, that is not at issue.

@doctrox The problem is that you are assuming what the text needs to prove.

You said, “It is believers who become apostate.” But 1 John 2:19 directly addresses that kind of departure and says, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us.” That is not a non sequitur. That is Scripture interpreting departure. John does not say they were truly of Christ and then stopped being of Christ. He says their going out revealed they were “not of us.”

Yes, apostasia means falling away, defection, or departure. But the word itself does not prove the person was regenerate. A man can depart from the visible profession of the faith, from the truth he outwardly claimed, from the assembly he once joined, and from the gospel he once heard, without ever having been born of God. That is exactly why John’s words matter.

The phrase “through faith” in 1 Peter 1:5 does not weaken God’s keeping power. The verse says believers “are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation.” Faith is not presented there as man’s independent power to keep himself saved. It is the means through which God keeps His people. The keeping belongs to God. “Kept by the power of God” is the controlling statement.

And Romans 15:28 does not define the sealing of the Holy Spirit in Ephesians 1:13-14 or Ephesians 4:30. Words must be read in context. Paul “sealing” the fruit of the collection in Romans 15 is not the same issue as God sealing believers with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Ephesians says, “after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession” ~Ephesians 1:13-14. It also says, “grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption” ~Ephesians 4:30.

That is the issue. The sealing in Ephesians is God’s act, by the Spirit, connected to the believer’s inheritance and the day of redemption. It is not presented as a temporary seal that Christ may fail to bring to completion.

So yes, Scripture warns against sin, unbelief, and apostasy. Those warnings are real. But Scripture also says Christ gives His sheep eternal life, “and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” ~John 10:28. It says those who depart prove they were not truly of us ~1 John 2:19. It says God keeps His own by His power through faith ~1 Peter 1:5. Those truths do not cancel each other. They stand together.

 

[bdavidc]

False professors and those who sin with impunity are not in Christ.
I don't believe they are able to fall away because they are not in Christ in the first place.

I don't believe their falsity can be used to show the eternal seal of salvation in Christ is false.
I think they show God's word is true.

Those in Christ don't make a habit of sinning.

If they do,they are not his own. They do not know him and he does not know them
.

I agree. False professors do not prove that Christ loses His sheep. They prove the warnings of Scripture are true.

That is exactly why 1 John 2:19 matters: “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us.” Their departure did not prove that eternal life failed. It proved they were never truly of Christ.

And you are right that those in Christ do not make sin their settled way of life. John says, “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him” ~1 John 3:9. That cannot mean sinless perfection, because the same apostle says, “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves” ~1 John 1:8. It means the born-again person cannot live in sin as his normal pattern without conviction, chastening, repentance, and the preserving work of God.

So the biblical line is not “a person can live like the devil and still have assurance.” That is false comfort. The biblical line is this: false professors fall away, but Christ keeps His own. Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” ~John 10:27. Then He said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

That is where the assurance rests. Not in empty profession. Not in sin with impunity. Not in man’s strength. It rests in Christ, who saves His sheep and keeps them.

 

[Gray_Joy]

I agree. False professors do not prove that Christ loses His sheep. They prove the warnings of Scripture are true.

That is exactly why 1 John 2:19 matters: “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us.” Their departure did not prove that eternal life failed. It proved they were never truly of Christ.

And you are right that those in Christ do not make sin their settled way of life. John says, “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him” ~1 John 3:9. That cannot mean sinless perfection, because the same apostle says, “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves” ~1 John 1:8. It means the born-again person cannot live in sin as his normal pattern without conviction, chastening, repentance, and the preserving work of God.

So the biblical line is not “a person can live like the devil and still have assurance.” That is false comfort. The biblical line is this: false professors fall away, but Christ keeps His own. Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” ~John 10:27. Then He said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

That is where the assurance rests. Not in empty profession. Not in sin with impunity. Not in man’s strength. It rests in Christ, who saves His sheep and keeps them.

Great post,yes!

I think that is why the false professors push to impugn the integrity of the true eternal security of our being sealed in his Gospel are so obviously uninformed.

Especially when they equate eternal security in the life Christ gives his own, to the idea we can therefore sin with impunity.

All that you alone have posted proves that conclusion is irrational.

The Bible itself proves it in detail.
And,besides that it's just plain old common sense.
Those saved eternally from the penalty of sin , cannot then also believe they can sin up a storm and still reap the rewards God gives those reborn in him.

Reborn. A new creation.
Reverts to the appetites of the old creation?
How silly.

Again,great post.

 

[Grailhunter]

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him” ~1 John 3:9. That cannot mean sinless perfection, because the same apostle says, “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves” ~1 John 1:8.

Of course OSAS is lie of the Devil and his advocates, but let me help you out with these two scriptures.

We are born again and as children of God born into the family of God.....but
We are not born of God....3:9 is talking about Yeshua and of course He does not sin.
But for the rest of us Christian take heed of the warning of sin.....it connects you to the Devil.....the one who practices sin is of the devil;.....So although the Devil would like the OSAS people to preach they can sin all they want and still go to Heaven, it is a lie. And sin can take them to Hell and those that fall for their preaching can sin their way to Hell. And when those that preach this trash are standing in front of Yeshua on Judgment Day they may be held accountable for the souls that they have lead to Hell.

3 See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

11 For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another; 12 not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother. And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother’s were righteous.

13 Do not be surprised, brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. 15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 16 We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his [g]heart [h]against him, how does the love of God abide in him? 18 Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. 19 We will know by this that we are of the truth, and will [i]assure our heart before Him 20 [j]in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence [k]before God; 22 and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.

23 This is His commandment, that we [l]believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [m]commanded us. 24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[NayborBear]

Reborn. A new creation.
Reverts to the appetites of the old creation?
How silly.

This is SO TRUE and CORRECT Gray Joy!
If one thinks "'Yah-uh-"Vay" doesn't "Chastise (Correct)" one HIS own?
Well?.....They'd be WRONG!
And?............In denial of the "Power OF GOD" in HIS correcting/s!

 

[doctrox]

The problem is that you are assuming what the text needs to prove.

Rather, I am pandering down to a conflicted OP.

You said, “It is believers who become apostate.” But 1 John 2:19 directly addresses that kind of departure and says, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us.” That is not a non sequitur. That is Scripture interpreting departure. John does not say they were truly of Christ and then stopped being of Christ. He says their going out revealed they were “not of us.”

That's correct, but it remains a non sequitur i.e. it does not address apostasy.

Paul “sealing” the fruit of the collection in Romans 15 is not the same issue as God sealing believers with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption.

We're going for the definition of the word "seal," not trying to win an argument (think OP).

That is the issue. The sealing in Ephesians is God’s act, by the Spirit, connected to the believer’s inheritance and the day of redemption. It is not presented as a temporary seal that Christ may fail to bring to completion.

The issue is not at Christ's end (as you've described in length), but at the believer's end who retains free will...

 

[bdavidc]

Rather, I am pandering down to a conflicted OP.


That's correct, but it remains a non sequitur i.e. it does not address apostasy.


We're going for the definition of the word "seal," not trying to win an argument (think OP).


The issue is not at Christ's end (as you've described in length), but at the believer's end who retains free will...

The issue is still being shifted away from what the text actually says.

Ephesians 1:13-14 says believers are “sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession.” Ephesians 4:30 says, “grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” The text does not say sealed until the believer later uses free will to break the seal. It says sealed unto the day of redemption.

Bringing in “free will” does not answer the passage. It adds a condition the verse does not give. The question is not whether believers still make real choices. The question is whether God’s sealing by the Spirit can fail before the day of redemption. Ephesians does not teach that.

And 1 John 2:19 absolutely does address apostasy in the sense of visible departure from the faith. John says their departure revealed they were “not of us.” He does not say they were truly regenerate, sealed by the Spirit, born of God, and then became unborn. He says, “if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us.”

So the burden is not on me to prove God’s seal holds. The text already says that. The burden is on you to show where Scripture says a believer sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption can become unsealed before that day. Ephesians 1 and 4 do not say that.

 

[doctrox]

The text does not say sealed until the believer later uses free will to break the seal. It says sealed unto the day of redemption.

The gist still revolves around the scriptural definition of "seal."

The question is whether God’s sealing by the Spirit can fail before the day of redemption.

That is not the question, as per above.

And 1 John 2:19 absolutely does address apostasy in the sense of visible departure from the faith. John says their departure revealed they were “not of us.” He does not say they were truly regenerate, sealed by the Spirit, born of God, and then became unborn. He says, “if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us.”

Again, they were not believers, so an analogy to believers apostatizing (or not apostatizing) cannot be made.

The burden is on you to show where Scripture says a believer sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption can become unsealed before that day. Ephesians 1 and 4 do not say that.

Again, the gist revolves around the scriptural definition of "seal" and not around God's end of his promise.

The seal is not a “what” but a “who”—take another look at v.13, “ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise".

The Holy Spirit is the Christian’s seal. He seals his people. God’s own Spirit comes to dwell within or take up residence in the believer. And I think the nuances from above apply here. The promised Holy Spirit identifies God’s people as his inheritance. And the experience of the Holy Spirit in a believer’s life is proof to them, and a demonstration to others, of the genuineness of their faith. The Holy Spirit provides the inward assurance that they belong to God as children (re: Rom.8:15-16; Gal. 4:6).

So the burden is not on me to prove God’s seal holds.

Nor should it be. A seal is not salvation. This is why, for example, we're not to grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom we were sealed for the day of redemption. The seal of the HS is a gracious gift of God, whereby he demonstrates the authenticity of the believer’s relationship with him and his authority, ownership, and commitment to his people. The Holy Spirit provides the inward assurance that they belong to God as children. It's proof to you and to others. This is ALL AT GOD'S END - not ours.

 

[GodsGrace]

To become UNsealed equates to become UNsaved.
If we are saved & sealed by the Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13) taught to Paul by Christ (Gal 1:11-12) then I ask those who believe we can become UNsealed/UNsaved to list the verses where Christ through Paul teaches that.

I've listed one.
No reply from you.

Wonder why?

What happens when there are two opposing statements in the NT?
Could it be that one of them is WRONG!!


Right.
It can't be wrong.
They both have to be right.

So,,,let's see your solution to this problem.
Or do you make believe the other verses don't exist?

Here is the one verse I posted:

Colossians 1:22-23
, 22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—

23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast,

I had also posted some questions for you.
Won't bother to repeat them since you probably won't have a reply for this post either.


Sounds like we have to continue in the faith...that's a BIG IF there.
but YOU say we're sealed.
Written by the SAME PERSON.

Problem.

 

[GodsGrace]

Rather, I am pandering down to a conflicted OP.


That's correct, but it remains a non sequitur i.e. it does not address apostasy.


We're going for the definition of the word "seal," not trying to win an argument (think OP).


The issue is not at Christ's end (as you've described in length), but at the believer's end who retains free will...

Yes sir.

The down payment shows earnest on God's part.
We do have a guarantee from HIM of salvation...

IF

Those pesky IF's.

I'm trying Colossians 1:22.23 for the third time now.
But no response.
Incorrect theology causes conflicts all over the NT.

 

[GodsGrace]

The issue is still being shifted away from what the text actually says.

Ephesians 1:13-14 says believers are “sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession.” Ephesians 4:30 says, “grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” The text does not say sealed until the believer later uses free will to break the seal. It says sealed unto the day of redemption.

Bringing in “free will” does not answer the passage. It adds a condition the verse does not give. The question is not whether believers still make real choices. The question is whether God’s sealing by the Spirit can fail

God's promises never fail.
MAN fails.

God guarantees your salvation
IF

Can YOU abide by the conditions created by the IF word?

before the day of redemption. Ephesians does not teach that.

And 1 John 2:19 absolutely does address apostasy in the sense of visible departure from the faith. John says their departure revealed they were “not of us.” He does not say they were truly regenerate, sealed by the Spirit, born of God, and then became unborn. He says, “if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us.”

1 John 2:19 will not help you.l
These were GNOSTICS.
How many times must this be stated.
Please do your own investigation.

GNOSTICS are NOT Christian.
They were NEVER SAVED.

So HOW do they help your cause??
They DO NOT.

So the burden is not on me to prove God’s seal holds. The text already says that. The burden is on you to show where Scripture says a believer sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption can become unsealed before that day. Ephesians 1 and 4 do not say that.

Let's stick to Colossians.

How do YOU understand this verse?

Colossians 1:22-23
22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—

23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast,


Notice that the same person that wrote regarding the sealing...
also wrote the above.

We have quite a conflict here.
Can YOU resolve it?

 

[Gray_Joy]

This is SO TRUE and CORRECT Gray Joy!
If one thinks "'Yah-uh-"Vay" doesn't "Chastise (Correct)" one HIS own?
Well?.....They'd be WRONG!
And?............In denial of the "Power OF GOD" in HIS correcting/s!

There are many wrong ideas about God.

God does not unseal,evict his holy Spirit from the believer whom he called to his grace. Whose name is written in God's Book of Life.
He wrote their names down first because he knew them before the womb. He called them to his gracega gave them a new mind and heart so to hold faith,entered them as his new creation,sealed into the day of redemption,which means forever.

But later,according to some doctrines, Gods will to call is overcome by the sin of the one he gave rebirth into his grace.

It's not actually God's word. But that seems to also need amending by mortals who insist it must be true.

I will never understand how those who are blessed by the heavenly gift will insist it is conditional on their choosing to keep it,or release it,by their own behaviors. Overcoming Gods will for them.

No,God doesn't force anyone to be saved. But when he does save them,and they know how it feels to be in that grace,and have his spirit within us,he wouldn't have to.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I've listed one.
No reply from you.

Wonder why?

What happens when there are two opposing statements in the NT?
Could it be that one of them is WRONG!!


Right.
It can't be wrong.
They both have to be right.

So,,,let's see your solution to this problem.
Or do you make believe the other verses don't exist?

Here is the one verse I posted:

Colossians 1:22-23
, 22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—

23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast,

I had also posted some questions for you.
Won't bother to repeat them since you probably won't have a reply for this post either.


Sounds like we have to continue in the faith...that's a BIG IF there.
but YOU say we're sealed.
Written by the SAME PERSON.

Problem.

Col 1:22-23
Since belief is THE requirement to be Eph 1:13, 4:30 SEALED then I too believe that belief must be ongoing
I don't see it but some claim that 2 Tim 2:13 "cannot deny himself" teaches otherwise
..
ACTIONS though are not a condition to be Eph 1:13, 4:30 SEALED & is confirmed by the :-
SAME PERSON who wrote Col 1:22-23
Titus 3:
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 3:
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Rom 3:
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 11:
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[Gray_Joy]

I've listed one.

Not possible.

 

[doctrox]

From the OP:

If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?​

There are 27 appearances of the word "seal", yet the OP would limit us to just two verses in Ephesians. Regardless, the question initially foisted is easy enough to answer.

David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba, earnestly prayed:

"Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me." (Psa. 51:1, 11).

He prays for the continuance of God’s good will towards him and the progress of his good work in him. He does not deprecate the temporal judgments which God by Nathan had threatened to bring upon him. He knew he had by his sin grieved the Spirit and provoked him to withdraw, and that because he also was flesh God might justly have said that his Spirit should no more strive with him nor work upon him (ala "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man..." (Gen. 6:3)).

"But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him." (1 Sam. 16:14).

We are undone if God takes his Holy Spirit from us. Saul was a sad instance of this when the Spirit of the Lord had departed from him. David knew it, and therefore begged the Lord to take not the Holy Spirit from himself.

[From the Lord to Nathan:] "But my mercy shall not depart away from [David], as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.' (2 Sam. 7:15).

The Holy Spirit seal is not a magical star wars tractor beam. We must remain diligent to keep our end of the deal. If one does not practice righteousness, one can fall away.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith..." (1 Tim. 4:1).

 

[Gray_Joy]

From the OP:

There are 27 appearances of the word "seal", yet the OP would limit us to just two verses in Ephesians. Regardless, the question initially foisted is easy enough to answer.

David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba, earnestly prayed:

"Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me." (Psa. 51:1, 11).

He prays for the continuance of God’s good will towards him and the progress of his good work in him. He does not deprecate the temporal judgments which God by Nathan had threatened to bring upon him. He knew he had by his sin grieved the Spirit and provoked him to withdraw, and that because he also was flesh God might justly have said that his Spirit should no more strive with him nor work upon him (ala "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man..." (Gen. 6:3)).

"But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him." (1 Sam. 16:14).

We are undone if God takes his Holy Spirit from us. Saul was a sad instance of this when the Spirit of the Lord had departed from him. David knew it, and therefore begged the Lord to take not the Holy Spirit from himself.

[From the Lord to Nathan:] "But my mercy shall not depart away from [David], as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.' (2 Sam. 7:15).

The Holy Spirit seal is not a magical star wars tractor beam. We must remain diligent to keep our end of the deal. If one does not practice righteousness, one can fall away.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith..." (1 Tim. 4:1).

The 1 Timothy 4 verse does not say Jesus will remove his spirit from them.
Jesus said,of all the father gives him he will lose none.

 

[PeterAndroz]

From the OP:

There are 27 appearances of the word "seal", yet the OP would limit us to just two verses in Ephesians. Regardless, the question initially foisted is easy enough to answer.

David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba, earnestly prayed:

"Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me." (Psa. 51:1, 11).

He prays for the continuance of God’s good will towards him and the progress of his good work in him. He does not deprecate the temporal judgments which God by Nathan had threatened to bring upon him. He knew he had by his sin grieved the Spirit and provoked him to withdraw, and that because he also was flesh God might justly have said that his Spirit should no more strive with him nor work upon him (ala "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man..." (Gen. 6:3)).

"But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him." (1 Sam. 16:14).

We are undone if God takes his Holy Spirit from us. Saul was a sad instance of this when the Spirit of the Lord had departed from him. David knew it, and therefore begged the Lord to take not the Holy Spirit from himself.

[From the Lord to Nathan:] "But my mercy shall not depart away from [David], as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.' (2 Sam. 7:15).

The Holy Spirit seal is not a magical star wars tractor beam. We must remain diligent to keep our end of the deal. If one does not practice righteousness, one can fall away.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith..." (1 Tim. 4:1).

Hey Doc, your post does not show who you were responding to.
OT has incidences where the HS was removed/taken from believers due to their 'actions'
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As of Eph 4:30 SEALED UNTO REDEMPTION, I find no instances of a believer becoming UNsealed.
Is there any that you can list ?

 

[doctrox]

The 1 Timothy 4 verse does not say Jesus will remove his spirit from them.

I did not infer that it does. Perhaps you misunderstood. Rather, my exact quote was:

If one does not practice righteousness, one can fall away.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith..." (1 Tim. 4:1).

From the first sentence through to the second, "one can fall away" = "some shall depart from the faith."