Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

[amigo de christo]

Excellent Truth answers from the Holy Spirit - great to wake UP to

On those feet one and all . For many have crept in amongst christendom
to now merge us as one and NOT TO GOD , NOT TO CHRIST
For had it been to CHRIST they had preached HIS words and not omitted them in favor of flesh pleasing sermons .
A man who aimes to please man is a man who will always compromise TRUTH .
A man who seeks gain , IS a man who will always compromise TRUTH .
but a man who seeks TO PLEASE GOD , WILL NOT COMPROMISE TRUTH . FOR GOD IS TRUTH , CHRIST IS TRUTH
and they have the SPIRIT who is truth and they eat of HIS WORDS which are TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

To the trenches one and all . The hour is late
and our betrayal and betrayer will come swiftly . Let no man compromise Truth under any circumstances .
let those who name the name of Christ depart from inquity .
Stand upon the SOLID foundation and never compromise but rather speak and live The TRUTH
by the POWER of the HOLY GHOST who is TRUTH .
Fear not man
seek not to be rich on this earth
And heed not the lie of this well favored ecumeincal harlot or her father .
Now i am telling us all that the time is fast approaching
where if one speaks anything that is deemed offensive or as an insult
WILL be fined , WILL be silenced , will even have to face greater persecutions .
AI DIGITAL SQUARE will BE SOON enforced . And our persecutions WILL increase .

 

[amigo de christo]

People are unable to discern Truth from a lie is when people give themselves over to believing a false teaching/prophecy because they trust in man/religion over "It is written"

They who seek to please man cannot be the servant of CHRIST .
for what is pleasing to man IS abomination to GOD .
They who seek to justify themselves by any other means THAN FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST
cannot PLEASE GOD . they walk NOT by FAITH . And had they beleived GOD they would have BELEIVED HIS CHRIST .
But as it is clearly seen and known , my friend , man gonna do exactly that which his soul loves and which pleases him .
BUT a sheep gonna do that WHICH GOD LOVETH and that WHICH PLEASES HIM .
FOR JESUS has the sheep . OH i say to one and all , FOR JESUS HAS THE SHEEP .

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Well being an outright steadfast pre-tribber, I know that the 70th week of Daniel does begin with the Day of the Lord.

1. The Word day does not always mean a 24 hour period.

2. In rev. 6 we see the kings of the earth saying the day of the Lord has commenced.

But as the Tribulation is also the 70th week of Daniel, the last 7 years aka the Day of the Lord, aka the tribulation, aka the Great tribulation, aka the time of Jacobs trouble et al. does begin as it states in Daniel 9, when the Antichrist signs a 7 year covenant with Israel

Correct, the Day of the Lord is a SINGE DAY God's Wrath starts on, not ends. Those who understand how to dig the answers out can get them.

In Isaiah 10 we see God tells Isaiah that the Assyrian (AC) is the instrument of His wrath.

Isaiah 10:14 Without me they shall bow down under the prisoners, and they shall fall under the slain. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

So, how long does Daniel 12 say this Little Horn/AC will rule for? 1260 days, as does Rev. 13 and 17, which calls it 42 months. So, if people just put in the grunt work they can see these truths.

The AC is God Wrath against Israel, the AC rules for 42 months.

God Wrath thus = 42 months, not one day.

It starts in the middle of the week, on day 1260, n Rev. 8.

Rev. 6 is Jesus FORETELLING what is soon to come after Israel is protected (Rev. 7 the 144,000 is simply a code for All Israel who repent, the 1/3 or 5 million) Rev. 8 starts the Wrath, that is why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8. That is why we get 30 minutes of silence.

Seals 1-5 is the AC Seal #6 is God's total wrath on the earth. Seal #7 unleashes or UNSEALS it all.

 

[David in NJ]

Correct, the Day of the Lord is a SINGE DAY God's Wrath starts on, not ends. Those who understand how to dig the answers out can get them.

In Isaiah 10 we see God tells Isaiah that the Assyrian (AC) is the instrument of His wrath.

Isaiah 10:14 Without me they shall bow down under the prisoners, and they shall fall under the slain. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

So, how long does Daniel 12 say this Little Horn/AC will rule for? 1260 days, as does Rev. 13 and 17, which calls it 42 months. So, if people just put in the grunt work they can see these truths.

The AC is God Wrath against Israel, the AC rules for 42 months.

God Wrath thus = 42 months, not one day.

It starts in the middle of the week, on day 1260, n Rev. 8.

Rev. 6 is Jesus FORETELLING what is soon to come after Israel is protected (Rev. 7 the 144,000 is simply a code for All Israel who repent, the 1/3 or 5 million) Rev. 8 starts the Wrath, that is why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8. That is why we get 30 minutes of silence.

Seals 1-5 is the AC Seal #6 is God's total wrath on the earth. Seal #7 unleashes or UNSEALS it all.

The AC is not God's wrath on Israel

The AC is God giving them over to their own hearts desires = which Began on the Day HE destroyed the Temple in 70AD

The Culmination which Began in 70AD is flesh/Israel desiring a 3rd physical building/temple on earth in Jerusalem.
Along with their rebellion is their choosing of their messiah

The Israel of the flesh cannot please God = Matthew ch23 , Acts , Galatians , Romans chapters 2 & 3 and 9 & 10

The Wrath of GOD Begins with the 2nd Coming of CHRIST = GOSPEL, 1 Thess 1:10 , 1 Thess ch2 , Revelation

 

[amigo de christo]

The AC is not God's wrath on Israel

The AC is God giving them over to their own hearts desires = which Began on the Day HE destroyed the Temple in 70AD

The Culmination which Began in 70AD is flesh/Israel desiring a 3rd physical building/temple on earth in Jerusalem.
Along with their rebellion is their choosing of their messiah

The Israel of the flesh cannot please God = Matthew ch23 , Acts , Galatians , Romans chapters 2 & 3 and 9 & 10

The Wrath of GOD Begins with the 2nd Coming of CHRIST = GOSPEL, 1 Thess 1:10 , 1 Thess ch2 , Revelation

What our dear friend dont seem to realize is
THIS BEAST , this ANTI CHRIST , it rages WAR against the saints .
And that the WRATH OF GOD HIMSELF comes against it and all who sat under it and took its mark .
THAT can be super easily proved by scriptures .

 

[amigo de christo]

The AC is not God's wrath on Israel

The AC is God giving them over to their own hearts desires = which Began on the Day HE destroyed the Temple in 70AD

The Culmination which Began in 70AD is flesh/Israel desiring a 3rd physical building/temple on earth in Jerusalem.
Along with their rebellion is their choosing of their messiah

The Israel of the flesh cannot please God = Matthew ch23 , Acts , Galatians , Romans chapters 2 & 3 and 9 & 10

The Wrath of GOD Begins with the 2nd Coming of CHRIST = GOSPEL, 1 Thess 1:10 , 1 Thess ch2 , Revelation

The AC is this head by which
all who had rejected the LOVE OF THE TRUTH and had pleasure in unrighteousness
WILL BELIEVE and will be damned .
And for this cause GOD sends a s trong delusion that they should beleive a lie
AND be damned .
And that which is of anti christ , OH ITS BEEN at work my friend .
For a long long time its been at work , the mystery of inquity has long long been at work .
ITS just now iTS PEAKING IN THIS LAST HOUR . and that means
TWO THINGS . for the sheep who wont conform to its inclusive image of its god
GREAT TRIBULATION . ENFORCED and EMPOWERED BY A PPOWERFUL AI LED DIGITAL SYSTEM .
and all who have joined hand in hand with this inclusive god will believe they do the will OF GOD
when the true saints are peresecuted , and are put to death .
AND now for number two .
BUT ON THE DAY OF THE LORD it means THEIR OWN DAMNATION and DESTRUCTION upon all
who partook of its harlots cup of inclusive ecumeincal all relig;oins serve the same GOD LIE
and took the mark of the beast . OH its coming david . and the hour of betrayal
draws ever nigh .

 

[amigo de christo]

The AC is not God's wrath on Israel

The AC is God giving them over to their own hearts desires = which Began on the Day HE destroyed the Temple in 70AD

The Culmination which Began in 70AD is flesh/Israel desiring a 3rd physical building/temple on earth in Jerusalem.
Along with their rebellion is their choosing of their messiah

The Israel of the flesh cannot please God = Matthew ch23 , Acts , Galatians , Romans chapters 2 & 3 and 9 & 10

The Wrath of GOD Begins with the 2nd Coming of CHRIST = GOSPEL, 1 Thess 1:10 , 1 Thess ch2 , Revelation

Look around david . Look around .
for even many on this site WILL REPORT men like us in the days ahead .
AI and the digital system will also cast us out from such sites and even in time from society .
This people has no idea what they have made their inclusive bed with my friend . AND It darn sure AINT GOD .
But it sure can come in and play as though it be GOD .
TO prepare them and the world , its religoins and all the decieved
to be as one man , under one powerful AI led digital image speaking system
And they will rage war against the sheep . ONLY they wont see us as sheep david
but as WHAT JESUS said , THE TIME WILL COME when those who put you to death WILL BELIEVE THEY DO
WHOSE WILL david , GOD S WILL . they are buying A LIE david , a lie and they think its love , they think
its the peace plan of GOD , BUT IT IS NOT the PEACE OF GOD , IT HAS DENEID HIS PEACE plan .
THE Plan by G OD HIMSELF by how one would have peace with HIM
IS JESUS CHRIST . THE ONLY NAME whereby one may be reconciled to GOD and have PEACE WITH GOD .
ONLY THEIR satanic , whore of all whores led ecumeincal intefaith wicked ness , HAS TROD the dire
necessity TO BELIEVE ON THIS JESUS right under foot . ITS PEACE IS OF ANTI CHRIST . ON that i have no doubt .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Correct, the Day of the Lord is a SINGE DAY God's Wrath starts on, not ends. Those who understand how to dig the answers out can get them.

That doesn't line up with what Paul and Peter taught.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

Paul described God's wrath that occurs on the day of Lord as being "sudden" and that no one can escape it. How can that not describe a single day rather than a period of years, as you believe (I think)?

Then look at this...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?

This is clearly referring to the day Jesus returns unexpectedly as a thief in the night. You seem to think that the day of the Lord begins even before the day He returns, but that is not reasonable. That would mean the earth would start being burned up even before He returns and I highly doubt you would try to claim that.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Correct, the Day of the Lord is a SINGE DAY God's Wrath starts on, not ends. Those who understand how to dig the answers out can get them.

Your whole post was excellent except this one. Day of the Lord means merely a time period of undefined length. While it is true that that hemera primarily means a day, it also can and does mean a time period in general. context determines.

 

[PinSeeker]

Day of the Lord means merely a time period of undefined length. While it is true that that hemera primarily means a day, it also can and does mean a time period in general. context determines.

I agree, but that still does not necessarily mean that (in order) Jesus's return and final defeat of Satan, the final Judgment and sending away of unbelievers into that judgment, and the consummation of God's Kingdom and the beginning of the New Heaven and New Earth will take place over the course of more than one 12- or 24-hour period. All we can know is that it will all take place in very short order. How much time actually elapses is unknown, but not important, really. It'll happen, and we'll all be... very, very glad. <smile>

Grace and peace to all.

 

[David in NJ]

Look around david . Look around .
for even many on this site WILL REPORT men like us in the days ahead .
AI and the digital system will also cast us out from such sites and even in time from society .
This people has no idea what they have made their inclusive bed with my friend . AND It darn sure AINT GOD .
But it sure can come in and play as though it be GOD .
TO prepare them and the world , its religoins and all the decieved
to be as one man , under one powerful AI led digital image speaking system
And they will rage war against the sheep . ONLY they wont see us as sheep david
but as WHAT JESUS said , THE TIME WILL COME when those who put you to death WILL BELIEVE THEY DO
WHOSE WILL david , GOD S WILL . they are buying A LIE david , a lie and they think its love , they think
its the peace plan of GOD , BUT IT IS NOT the PEACE OF GOD , IT HAS DENEID HIS PEACE plan .
THE Plan by G OD HIMSELF by how one would have peace with HIM
IS JESUS CHRIST . THE ONLY NAME whereby one may be reconciled to GOD and have PEACE WITH GOD .
ONLY THEIR satanic , whore of all whores led ecumeincal intefaith wicked ness , HAS TROD the dire
necessity TO BELIEVE ON THIS JESUS right under foot . ITS PEACE IS OF ANTI CHRIST . ON that i have no doubt .

“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another."

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your whole post was excellent except this one. Day of the Lord means merely a time period of undefined length. While it is true that that hemera primarily means a day, it also can and does mean a time period in general. context determines.

But, 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 describe mass, global destruction occurring when the day of the Lord arrives unexpectedly as a thief in the night. With that being the case, how could the day of the Lord refer to a long period of time or even a period of time involving, say, 3.5 years, or whatever you think is the case?

 

[PinSeeker]

Regarding both 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, destruction or annihilation of the earth or any of creation is taught in neither passage, nor is creation of a new earth/universe. There has been ~ and of course will always be, until the actual event ~ much debate on this, but what is in view is not literal destruction in the sense of annihilation but complete transformation. Both these passages should be seen and understood in the same light as what Paul says in Romans 8:18-25...

"For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him Who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience."

In the same vein, there are many Old Testament prophecies about the renewal of the earthGrace and peace to all. God is renewing all things... "making all things new," as he says in Revelation 21:5. He is not "making all new things." As we read in both Deuteronomy and Hebrews, our God is a consuming fire.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Your whole post was excellent except this one. Day of the Lord means merely a time period of undefined length. While it is true that that hemera primarily means a day, it also can and does mean a time period in general. context determines.

I know (I think) what you are getting at, that the DOTL encompasses both God's wrath and Jesus 1000 year reign on earth. I buy that also, but I was just pointing to the time period between when the wrath falls and when Jesus' 2nd coming happens. I think Daniel 12 is key. The three numbers tell us everything.

Dan. 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. (So, the AC rules for 1260 days, until ALL THESE WONDERS as seen in Dan. 11:36-45, end via Jesus' 2nd coming we now know)

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Notice question on by the angel in red, is pretty much the same as question 2 by Daniel, O Lord what shall be the END OF THESE THINGS. So, why do we all want to invert the other two numbers into a new configuration? They both also end when the 2nd coming happens, thus the larger the number of days means the further away from the 2nd coming these events start, meaning the larger numbers come first.

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

So, 1335 days before the 2nd coming we see a Blessing, those living at that time will be blessed by some "unknown event". That event is the 2 witnesses showing up to turn Israel back unto God as Malachi 4:5 says and as Zech. 13:8-9 shows us, the 1/3 repent, and guess what the next verse says, in Zech. 14:1 it says the DOTL arrives !! Vs 2 shows Jerusalem being conquered and vs. 3 Jesus' 2nd coming.

This also fits the 1290 being a defiled temple, the temple has to be cleansed before it can be defiled right? God rent the temple and left, he will not return to any temple until they accept Jesus as the Messiah, those are not animal sacrifices (which God detests because they chose The Law over The Promised Redeemer) that are taken away, those 1/3 Jews who repent (5 million) start worshiping Jesus in the temple, and the False Prophet (a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason under Antiochus Epiphanes) will come out with and edict saying Jesus worship in "his temple" is FOREBIDDEN (he takes away THE REAL sacrifice, not some profane meat sacrifice God abhors). This happens 30 days before God's wrath falls, thus when the Jews see this Jewish High priest false prophet, place an IMAGE of this man (as Rev. 13 so clearly says he does) whom I think will be the E.U. President, the Jews who repented know they have 30 days to flee Judea unto the Jordanian Mountains (Petra/Bozrah). The AC has not even conquered Jerusalem yet, that happens 30 days later at the middle of the 70th week events, at the 1260.

So, why are the False Prophet and E.U. President in cahoots politically? The Dan. 9:27 agreement is not what most think, it is not a "Peace Agreement" instead it is Israel joining the E.U.

Give it a think................smile. Haven't been on here in a while, my mom died in May, had a bunch of stuff going on. All you guys have a blessed day.