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[NotTheRock]

God didn't resurrect " Israel".

Of course he did. He promised to do that and he did. Maybe you can get @Angelina and all the rest of the Jew-hating antisemites here to parrot your ignorance.

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them" says the Lord your God.

 

[Luther7]

Isn't anything or anyone who takes the place of Christ a part of the anti-Christ system?

Of course he did. He promised to do that and he did. Maybe you can get @Angelina and all the rest of the Jew-hating antisemites here to parrot your ignorance.

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them" says the Lord your God.

I think it's pretty ignorant to label me as someone who hates others. I never talk hate, only truth.

"....And I will turn the captivity of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities...."

Rebuild ruined cities? They kicked out the Palestinians and moved into their homes. They didn't rebuild anything. There was nothing ruined. Verses like these have everything to do with the future glory of JESUS CHRIST AND HIS PEOPLE LIVING IN THE NEW HEAVENS AND EARTH.
It's allegorical language for the Israel of God (true Christians) to understand and be blessed by.

 

[NotTheRock]

I think it's pretty ignorant to label me as someone who hates others. I never talk hate, only truth.

"....And I will turn the captivity of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities...."

Rebuild ruined cities? They kicked out the Palestinians and moved into their homes. They didn't rebuild anything. There was nothing ruined. Verses like these have everything to do with the future glory of JESUS CHRIST AND HIS PEOPLE LIVING IN THE NEW HEAVENS AND EARTH.
It's allegorical language for the Israel of God (true Christians) to understand and be blessed by.

You're in rebellion against God. Matthew 7:21 says that only those who do the will of the Father enter Heaven. Your claims about how Israel came into being are staggeringly ignorant. You are a liar, like your spiritual father.

 

[Brakelite]

No, the JUICE... LOL
But seriously, yes, Communism is a jewish invention, patterned after their religion. How many out there still believe judaism is just good Old testament religion? That we believe in the same God?

If you dig deep enough and in the right places you will discover that communism was established on behalf of the papacy in order to destroy the Russian royal family because of their patronage to the Orthodox Church.

 

[Jericho]

God didn't resurrect " Israel". Israel rejected God, and lost their kingdom, never to be brought back again.
Although God knew that the Zionist talmudists would create the state in 1948, It certainly does not have His blessing.
Do some research on how the state of Israel came into being. Nothing short of a terrorist acquisition. And how about those 700,000 Palestinians that were forced out of their homes?

There are plenty of scriptures that speak of a regathering of Israel in the latter days and a nation being born in a day. No one can deny that has happened. And if Israel didn't have God's blessing, how have they not only survived but thrived despite being surrounded by enemies and the world against them? You can say Israel was created by nefarious means, to which I would disagree. But let's suppose it's true. So what? God can use evil for good for His express purposes, just as He did in times past. By the way, I find it odd this accusation is only ever made of one country: Israel.

As to 700,000 Palestine being forced out of their home, many did leave on their own accord at their urging of their Arab leaders. They thought Israel would lose the war, well, they were wrong. Don't believe me? Here's just one quote by Haled al Azm, Syrian Prime Minister, 1948-1949: "Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave." -The Memoirs of Khaled al-Azm (Beirut, 1973). Conversely, 850,000+ Jews left, fled, or were expelled from Arab countries since 1948.

 

[Luther7]

There are plenty of scriptures that speak of a regathering of Israel in the latter days and a nation being born in a day. No one can deny that has happened. And if Israel didn't have God's blessing, how have they not only survived but thrived despite being surrounded by enemies and the world against them? You can say Israel was created by nefarious means, to which I would disagree. But let's suppose it's true. So what? God can use evil for good for His express purposes, just as He did in times past. By the way, I find it odd this accusation is only ever made of one country: Israel.

As to 700,000 Palestine being forced out of their home, many did leave on their own accord at their urging of their Arab leaders. They thought Israel would lose the war, well, they were wrong. Don't believe me? Here's just one quote by Haled al Azm, Syrian Prime Minister, 1948-1949: "Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave." -The Memoirs of Khaled al-Azm (Beirut, 1973). Conversely, 850,000+ Jews left, fled, or were expelled from Arab countries after 1948.

You said " God can use evil for good for His express purposes,"

I agree with you. It is the express purpose of God in allowing the synagogue of Satan to rule the world in the last days.

And I will repeat over and over this very important thing: the prophetic, spiritual language in the OT of an eternal land inheritance was a shadow of the future fulfillment of God's salvation plan through Jesus Christ. No longer are we to be focusing on a nation of people, which according to the NEW COVENANT, YES, THE NEW COVENANT, God makes no difference between one group of people over another.

The promise of eternal life ( inheriting the land of Israel, New Jerusalem, Heaven, however you would like to say it) belongs only to those who believe in Christ, not reject Him.

 

[Jericho]

The promise of eternal life ( inheriting the land of Israel, New Jerusalem, Heaven, however you would like to say it) belongs only to those who believe in Christ, not reject Him.

But is that rejection forever? I don't believe that is what the Scripture tells us. To the contrary, Romans 11:26 says that all Israel will be saved. Your eschatology and theology are obviously different from mine, which distorts your views of Israel/Jews. When John mentioned the synagogue of Satan, he was referring to a specific group of Jewish opponents during his day. It wasn't meant to be a condemnation of Judaism, all Jews, or the Israel of today as some make it out to be.

 

[Luther7]

But is that rejection forever? I don't believe that is what the Scripture tells us. To the contrary, Romans 11:26 says that all Israel will be saved. Your eschatology and theology are obviously different from mine, which distorts your views of Israel/Jews. When John mentioned the synagogue of Satan, he was referring to a specific group of Jewish opponents during his day. It wasn't meant to be a condemnation of Judaism, all Jews, or the Israel of today as some make it out to be.

You said: "Romans 11:26 says that all Israel will be saved."
You must read more than one verse to get the context.
" All Israel" is the remnant spoken of in so many places .

Romans 11:5 KJV
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 9:6-7 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: [7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Why Isaac? Because the promise of eternal life is through his seed. It's not about physical promises. This earth is ripe for judgment. And when Christ brings judgment, He also creates a new heavens and earth, "wherein dwelleth righteousness". There is no allowance in New Covenant scripture for a continuation of this earth when Jesus comes.

Actually it's the jewish religion that teaches an earthly millennial kingdom for them to rule over the world. And sure as heck they've been very successful at deceiving many Christians to believe it as well. Maybe not the part where they rule over us. YOU'LL SEE THAT SOON ENOUGH.

 

[Jericho]

But here again, it is because "there are "those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan" (Revelation 2:9 and 3:9)

I’ve seen that verse misused so many times. John was talking about a specific group of Jewish opponents during his day. It wasn't meant to be a condemnation all or some Jews living today.

Because most of the whole world things as men think. That is, that the fulfillment of God's promises are worldly rather than godly and heavenly. Which means BOTH are acting against God.

The whole world is under the control of the evil one (1 John 5:19). Both Satan and the world are in opposition to God's will. So, it stands to reason, if Satan hates Israel/Jews, so will the world.

But it should be noted and understood, that even most of Christendom looks for God's heavenly promises to be fulfilled worldly.

No, it means that are looking for God’s promises to be fulfilled literally. And that is the difference between you and me. Your looking for God’s promises to be fulfilled spiritually, I am not.

but then you add this, which is not true:

What makes it not true? Isaiah 66:8 clearly talks of a nation being born in a day. How often does that happen? Not very often, but it did in 1948.

The name Israel as a "state" or "nation" during these modern times--doesn't matter either. It still means not believing Jesus saying "It is finished" regarding the house of Israel for which He has come.

Is it finished? If so, why does the Book of Revelation center around the Jews and that region of the world? Why is the Great Tribulation also called Jacob's trouble (Jer 30:7)? The only way you can get around that is to spiritualize it or say it has already happened as the preterists do.

I say that God still has unfinished business with the house of Israel. Daniel 9:24 says the purpose of the Great Tribulation is, among other things, to “finish the transgression." What has been the Jews main transgression as a people? It's their corporate rejection of Jesus as the Messiah. The Great Tribulation will lead to the acceptance of Jesus as the messiah.

Many have explained away these things--but those are the teachings of foretold "false teachers" that would come causing the "believing of a lie" and "strong delusion."

Consider if you are wrong. What are the odds that a people who have been disconnected from their ancestral homeland for two thousand years suddenly return home. They revive a language (Hebrew) that had been dead for even longer. Against all odds, they defeat five combined armies and become a nation in one day. They not only survive but thrive, despite being surrounded by enemies. The desert, once barren, begins to flourish again. And despite being a tiny country, they become the focal point of the whole world. That's a pretty big coincidence, don't you think? Had it not happened, it would seem impossible if not absurd. And yet, all those things were prophesied about and came to pass. Not spiritually, or symbolically, or figuratively, but literally.

So, if you are wrong, and Israel is prophetically important and is being used by God to bring His prodigal son (Israel) back into the fold, you are setting yourself in opposition to God's divine will. That seems to me to be a very precarious place to be.

 

[Luther7]

I’ve seen that verse misused so many times. John was talking about a specific group of Jewish opponents during his day. It wasn't meant to be a condemnation all or some Jews living today.



The whole world is under the control of the evil one (1 John 5:19). Both Satan and the world are in opposition to God's will. So, it stands to reason, if Satan hates Israel/Jews, so will the world.



No, it means that are looking for God’s promises to be fulfilled literally. And that is the difference between you and me. Your looking for God’s promises to be fulfilled spiritually, I am not.



What makes it not true? Isaiah 66:8 clearly talks of a nation being born in a day. How often does that happen? Not very often, but it did in 1948.



Is it finished? If so, why does the Book of Revelation center around the Jews and that region of the world? Why is the Great Tribulation also called Jacob's trouble (Jer 30:7)? The only way you can get around that is to spiritualize it or say it has already happened as the preterists do.

I say that God still has unfinished business with the house of Israel. Daniel 9:24 says the purpose of the Great Tribulation is, among other things, to “finish the transgression." What has been the Jews main transgression as a people? It's their corporate rejection of Jesus as the Messiah. The Great Tribulation will lead to the acceptance of Jesus as the messiah.



Consider if you are wrong. What are the odds that a people who have been disconnected from their ancestral homeland for two thousand years suddenly return home. They revive a language (Hebrew) that had been dead for even longer. Against all odds, they defeat five combined armies and become a nation in one day. They not only survive but thrive, despite being surrounded by enemies. The desert, once barren, begins to flourish again. And despite being a tiny country, they become the focal point of the whole world. That's a pretty big coincidence, don't you think? Had it not happened, it would seem impossible if not absurd. And yet, all those things were prophesied about and came to pass. Not spiritually, or symbolically, or figuratively, but literally.

So, if you are wrong, and Israel is prophetically important and is being used by God to bring His prodigal son (Israel) back into the fold, you are setting yourself in opposition to God's divine will. That seems to me to be a very precarious place to be.

Hello. I hope you don't mind me sharing a little insight here.
You said: "So, it stands to reason, if Satan hates Israel/Jews, so will the world."

Jesus rebuked the jewish religious leaders of that time by saying point blank " Ye are of your father the devil". Today's jewish religion is patterned after the same Pharisaical perversion of the Old Testament. The rabbis are modern Pharisees. Any jew that follows their religion is in the same predicament as them, having the same father. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TEACHING THAT YOU FOLLOW.

Jews that rebuke judaism and Jews that become saved are no longer under that curse.

 

[Jericho]

Jesus rebuked the jewish religious leaders of that time by saying point blank " Ye are of your father the devil". Today's jewish religion is patterned after the same Pharisaical perversion of the Old Testament. The rabbis are modern Pharisees. Any jew that follows their religion is in the same predicament as them, having the same father. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TEACHING THAT YOU FOLLOW.

Jews that rebuke judaism and Jews that become saved are no longer under that curse.

Luther, I posted here by mistake, but okay. You said the rabbis are modern Pharisees. I don't necessarily disagree with that. The point that I was trying to make to ScottA is God is not done with them because of it. They are the prodigal son, but I believe a prophesied redemption is coming. And yes, they will have to repent of their transgression first.

 

[ScottA]

I’ve seen that verse misused so many times. John was talking about a specific group of Jewish opponents during his day. It wasn't meant to be a condemnation all or some Jews living today.

So you arbitrarily decided it was just in the eternal word of God--not that we really needed to know--because it is all just "history." That is so short or worldly sighted!

The whole world is under the control of the evil one (1 John 5:19). Both Satan and the world are in opposition to God's will. So, it stands to reason, if Satan hates Israel/Jews, so will the world.

I was referring to the current epidemic state of unbelief...which the gentiles also have their time of. Otherwise:

"These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33​

No, it means that are looking for God’s promises to be fulfilled literally. And that is the difference between you and me. Your looking for God’s promises to be fulfilled spiritually, I am not.

Which is "literal", the things of the Kingdom of God, or the things of this world? Time for a renewing of your mind.

What makes it not true? Isaiah 66:8 clearly talks of a nation being born in a day. How often does that happen? Not very often, but it did in 1948.

I already explained--it all happened at the cross--not the name of Israel being used by a worldly government, but by being crucified with Christ as firstfruits of the Spirit.

Is it finished? If so, why does the Book of Revelation center around the Jews and that region of the world? Why is the Great Tribulation also called Jacob's trouble (Jer 30:7)? The only way you can get around that is to spiritualize it or say it has already happened as the preterists do.

I say that God still has unfinished business with the house of Israel. Daniel 9:24 says the purpose of the Great Tribulation is, among other things, to “finish the transgression." What has been the Jews main transgression as a people? It's their corporate rejection of Jesus as the Messiah. The Great Tribulation will lead to the acceptance of Jesus as the messiah.

Jesus said "It is finished." You should want to find a way to understand that as true.

As for the Book of Revelation--it is "The revelation of Jesus Christ" including everything (in summary) from "before the foundation of the world."

As for the great tribulation being called Jacob's trouble--it is called that--because it all fell upon Christ...at the cross. There is not greater tribulation.

As for "spiritualizing"--God is spirit--and He is spiritualizing all who are His, "all in all." If you don't like that idea, you have a problem.

As for the Preterists, they too were wrong about the timing of all things. Biblically, there are only two correct defining descriptions of when everything happens that all other biblical descriptions come under: "Today" as Jesus said, and "but each in his own order" as Paul elaborated.

As for finishing the transgression--what do you thing Jesus did on the cross?

As for the great tribulation leading the Jews to acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah--no, what leads them is Jesus as firstfruits, and His prayer, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

Consider if you are wrong. What are the odds that a people who have been disconnected from their ancestral homeland for two thousand years suddenly return home. They revive a language (Hebrew) that had been dead for even longer. Against all odds, they defeat five combined armies and become a nation in one day. They not only survive but thrive, despite being surrounded by enemies. The desert, once barren, begins to flourish again. And despite being a tiny country, they become the focal point of the whole world. That's a pretty big coincidence, don't you think? Had it not happened, it would seem impossible if not absurd. And yet, all those things were prophesied about and came to pass. Not spiritually, or symbolically, or figuratively, but literally.

So, if you are wrong, and Israel is prophetically important and is being used by God to bring His prodigal son (Israel) back into the fold, you are setting yourself in opposition to God's divine will. That seems to me to be a very precarious place to be.

I am not here weighing in what I believe is right or "wrong."

But do consider what you have stated--such a strong movement, yes! But the Bible refers to it as "strong delusion" for not believing the truth.

 

[Luther7]

Luther, I posted here by mistake, but okay. You said the rabbis are modern Pharisees. I don't necessarily disagree with that. The point that I was trying to make to ScottA is God is not done with them because of it. They are the prodigal son, but I believe a prophesied redemption is coming. And yes, they will have to repent of their transgression first.

Luther, I posted here by mistake, but okay. You said the rabbis are modern Pharisees. I don't necessarily disagree with that. The point that I was trying to make to ScottA is God is not done with them because of it. They are the prodigal son, but I believe a prophesied redemption is coming. And yes, they will have to repent of their transgression first.

Actually I don't see any pattern in the New Testament ( especially in prophecy) where those who call themselves jews have any special treatment by Jesus besides the common salvation that is offered to all nations. It's just not there.
It's like saying For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes on Him ....with the exception of the jews, because they don't need to believe on Jesus Christ, since He's just going to save them all in one shot..... Now we know that's not what the Bible teaches.
But somehow Christian Zionists believe in a special promise made outside of the New covenant. It's just not Biblical. We are all saved the same way, as INDIVIDUALS. And not one nation of people is more important in God's eyes than another. These are jewish fables that crept in unawares.

 

[Luther7]

I’ve seen that verse misused so many times. John was talking about a specific group of Jewish opponents during his day. It wasn't meant to be a condemnation all or some Jews living today.



The whole world is under the control of the evil one (1 John 5:19). Both Satan and the world are in opposition to God's will. So, it stands to reason, if Satan hates Israel/Jews, so will the world.



No, it means that are looking for God’s promises to be fulfilled literally. And that is the difference between you and me. Your looking for God’s promises to be fulfilled spiritually, I am not.



What makes it not true? Isaiah 66:8 clearly talks of a nation being born in a day. How often does that happen? Not very often, but it did in 1948.



Is it finished? If so, why does the Book of Revelation center around the Jews and that region of the world? Why is the Great Tribulation also called Jacob's trouble (Jer 30:7)? The only way you can get around that is to spiritualize it or say it has already happened as the preterists do.

I say that God still has unfinished business with the house of Israel. Daniel 9:24 says the purpose of the Great Tribulation is, among other things, to “finish the transgression." What has been the Jews main transgression as a people? It's their corporate rejection of Jesus as the Messiah. The Great Tribulation will lead to the acceptance of Jesus as the messiah.



Consider if you are wrong. What are the odds that a people who have been disconnected from their ancestral homeland for two thousand years suddenly return home. They revive a language (Hebrew) that had been dead for even longer. Against all odds, they defeat five combined armies and become a nation in one day. They not only survive but thrive, despite being surrounded by enemies. The desert, once barren, begins to flourish again. And despite being a tiny country, they become the focal point of the whole world. That's a pretty big coincidence, don't you think? Had it not happened, it would seem impossible if not absurd. And yet, all those things were prophesied about and came to pass. Not spiritually, or symbolically, or figuratively, but literally.

So, if you are wrong, and Israel is prophetically important and is being used by God to bring His prodigal son (Israel) back into the fold, you are setting yourself in opposition to God's divine will. That seems to me to be a very precarious place to be.

You said " They revive a language (Hebrew) that had been dead for even longer."
You are wrong . The Hebrew language of the Old Testament died some 200 years before Christ came to earth. Jews at the time of Christ were speaking GREEK, and some Aramaic which came from Babylon . Modern Hebrew is a mish mash of German, Aramaic and Arabic language.


And you also said " a people who have been disconnected from their ancestral homeland for two thousand years". You do realize that most of today's jews are actually Eastern European in anscestory? Without a trace of semitic blood in them? Arabs and Palestinians are semites because they were not dispersed into the world and mix with other nations.

 

[Luther7]

So you arbitrarily decided it was just in the eternal word of God--not that we really needed to know--because it is all just "history." That is so short or worldly sighted!


I was referring to the current epidemic state of unbelief...which the gentiles also have their time of. Otherwise:

"These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33​

Which is "literal", the things of the Kingdom of God, or the things of this world? Time for a renewing of your mind.


I already explained--it all happened at the cross--not the name of Israel being used by a worldly government, but by being crucified with Christ as firstfruits of the Spirit.


Jesus said "It is finished." You should want to find a way to understand that as true.

As for the Book of Revelation--it is "The revelation of Jesus Christ" including everything (in summary) from "before the foundation of the world."

As for the great tribulation being called Jacob's trouble--it is called that--because it all fell upon Christ...at the cross. There is not greater tribulation.

As for "spiritualizing"--God is spirit--and He is spiritualizing all who are His, "all in all." If you don't like that idea, you have a problem.

As for the Preterists, they too were wrong about the timing of all things. Biblically, there are only two correct defining descriptions of when everything happens that all other biblical descriptions come under: "Today" as Jesus said, and "but each in his own order" as Paul elaborated.

As for finishing the transgression--what do you thing Jesus did on the cross?

As for the great tribulation leading the Jews to acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah--no, what leads them is Jesus as firstfruits, and His prayer, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."


I am not here weighing in what I believe is right or "wrong."

But do consider what you have stated--such a strong movement, yes! But the Bible refers to it as "strong delusion" for not believing the truth.

Hi. Interesting back and forth here. I agree with you in mostly everything. But I really believe that the jews that have control over us now will soon make themselves known when their " messiah" comes. This will be the great tribulation. We will be under jewish (talmudic) law. I'm sure there will be some jews that will not unite with their agenda and maybe become saved. I don't know.

I'm hoping that Jesus will come quickly for the sake of His elect and destroy the works of the devil, which includes them.

 

[ScottA]

Hi. Interesting back and forth here. I agree with you in mostly everything. But I really believe that the jews that have control over us now will soon make themselves known when their " messiah" comes. This will be the great tribulation. We will be under jewish (talmudic) law. I'm sure there will be some jews that will not unite with their agenda and maybe become saved. I don't know.

I'm hoping that Jesus will come quickly for the sake of His elect and destroy the works of the devil, which includes them.

Unfortunately, you are referring to and apparently believe things that are not true, not biblical, but misinterpreted and misunderstood by the false teachers foretold by Peter that Paul also spoke of as causing strong delusion. You are not alone, many are their victims. Unfortunately, it is their false doctrine that has been taught within the church now for 2,000 years, making it all the more difficult to know just what is right or wrong. But it is written, and if you have been following along, I have been stating it correctly--not because I say so, but because the way this works biblically...is it is not I who has been speaking, but the Holy Spirit (Mark 13:11). Even so, many who claim to speak for God are false. Follow along and do your own research of the scriptures, make notes of what I have been saying from the scriptures, know and acknowledge that many false teachings have come into the church that have been believed by many, and pray the Lord reveals the actual truth to you.

Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, He "is finished" with the house of Israel, and has moved on to the other fold of the gentiles...like He said.

 

[Luther7]

Unfortunately, you are referring to and apparently believe things that are not true, not biblical, but misinterpreted and misunderstood by the false teachers foretold by Peter that Paul also spoke of as causing strong delusion. You are not alone, many are their victims. Unfortunately, it is their false doctrine that has been taught within the church now for 2,000 years, making it all the more difficult to know just what is right or wrong. But it is written, and if you have been following along, I have been stating it correctly--not because I say so, but because the way this works biblically...is it is not I who has been speaking, but the Holy Spirit (Mark 13:11). Even so, many who claim to speak for God are false. Follow along and do your own research of the scriptures, make notes of what I have been saying from the scriptures, know and acknowledge that many false teachings have come into the church that have been believed by many, and pray the Lord reveals the actual truth to you.

Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, He "is finished" with the house of Israel, and has moved on to the other fold of the gentiles...like He said.

Actually I'm very informed on what our greatest evil throughout history has been. What crept into the church 100 years ago has been well planned for centuries. You see judaism has it's roots in ancient Babylon. But instead of building a tower to reach God they are planning to rule as God with their " messiah". When Christians use the name of " yeshua" they have no idea how judaism interprets it.

I believe that God wants us to be watchmen to warn the world of their plans even if they cannot be changed. The teaching of a literal millennial reign of " messiah" comes from their teachings. All they had to do is convince enough pastors that their Bible taught the same thing, when historically the church always understood it to be spiritual. Spiritual because our home is in heaven, not on this current sin-cursed earth.

Most Christians turn a blind eye to their atrocious genetical behavior because they were sold this notion that in order for Jesus to come and "rapture" them away they must do whatever they can to support them. That along with a national salvation of every jew at His coming, regardless of their lack of repentance. These two shiny objects are basically all the rabbis have. Without them it's game over.

 

[ScottA]

Actually I'm very informed on what our greatest evil throughout history has been. What crept into the church 100 years ago has been well planned for centuries. You see judaism has it's roots in ancient Babylon. But instead of building a tower to reach God they are planning to rule as God with their " messiah". When Christians use the name of " yeshua" they have no idea how judaism interprets it.

I believe that God wants us to be watchmen to warn the world of their plans even if they cannot be changed. The teaching of a literal millennial reign of " messiah" comes from their teachings. All they had to do is convince enough pastors that their Bible taught the same thing, when historically the church always understood it to be spiritual. Spiritual because our home is in heaven, not on this current sin-cursed earth.

Most Christians turn a blind eye to their atrocious genetical behavior because they were sold this notion that in order for Jesus to come and "rapture" them away they must do whatever they can to support them. That along with a national salvation of every jew at His coming, regardless of their lack of repentance. These two shiny objects are basically all the rabbis have. Without them it's game over.

Aah, I misunderstood you--my apologies! I thought you were advocating for the current state of Israel as being the biblical Israel not yet finished.

You think it's only been perhaps the last hundred years that pastors, etc. have been teaching Israel as yet to be finished by the return of Jesus? I know that is not exactly what you said, but I would say there is both the last hundred years of would-be Jews pulling the wool over the eyes of many only masquerading as Jews, but also pastors, teachers, and theologians kicking the can of Christ's return down the road into the future even since the first century when Peter and Paul both warned of it.

 

[Luther7]

Aah, I misunderstood you--my apologies! I thought you were advocating for the current state of Israel as being the biblical Israel not yet finished.

You think it's only been perhaps the last hundred years that pastors, etc. have been teaching Israel as yet to be finished by the return of Jesus? I know that is not exactly what you said, but I would say there is both the last hundred years of would-be Jews pulling the wool over the eyes of many only masquerading as Jews, but also pastors, teachers, and theologians kicking the can of Christ's return down the road into the future even since the first century when Peter and Paul both warned of it.

Yeah these " jews" that have political, financial, entertainment and media control also want religious control. That's why our society is so anti- Christ. We literally live in a jewish society and don't even realize it.

But when they reveal themselves globally, with ruling power to the flouride induced goyim it will be too late.

How many people understand what Bolshevism was? They will have that authority once again, only on a worldwide scale this time. For they will have their messiah in their temple. But thank God for the sake of His chosen those days will be shortened. Because ultimately they want to destroy Christianity which they call " EDOM".

 

[Jericho]

Actually I don't see any pattern in the New Testament ( especially in prophecy) where those who call themselves jews have any special treatment by Jesus besides the common salvation that is offered to all nations. It's just not there.

It's not an issue of special treatment; it's an issue of reconciliation. I could go into it prophetically, but I doubt you would still receive it.

We are all saved the same way, as INDIVIDUALS. And not one nation of people is more important in God's eyes than another.

Sure, I'm not arguing for corporate salvation. I am arguing that he will deal with them corporately as a people. Also, it's not an issue with them being special or more important; it's that God made a covenant with them. And yes, they broke that covenant and are like an unfaithful wife, but God still desires redemption and a reconciliation. This is what the Book of Hosea is all about, and what I believe is still future tense.

You said " They revive a language (Hebrew) that had been dead for even longer."
You are wrong . The Hebrew language of the Old Testament died some 200 years before Christ came to earth. Jews at the time of Christ were speaking GREEK, and some Aramaic which came from Babylon . Modern Hebrew is a mish mash of German, Aramaic and Arabic language.

Hebrew had been a dead language, but it was never an extinct language; there's a difference. Yes, even by Christ's time it was considered a dead language in that it wasn't used in the everyday vernacular, but it was still spoken in synagogues. And for 1,700 years after that, it was still spoken in religious settings. It wasn't until the 20th century that it became a common spoken language again. Modern Hebrew is not a hybrid language. It might borrow some words from other languages, but so does every other language. English borrows words from Latin, French, German, etc. Spanish borrows words from Arabic, and so on. But no one would call them mishmash languages because of it.

You do realize that most of today's jews are actually Eastern European in anscestory? Without a trace of semitic blood in them?

That's not true. I've looked at the genetics of European Jews. They have European admixture, but they have 30-60% Levantine/Middle Eastern DNA. There are different types of Jews too, Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, Sephardi, etc. They all have varying degrees of local admixture, but they all share Levantine (Semitic) DNA.

Arabs and Palestinians are semites because they were not dispersed into the world and mix with other nations.

That's debatable. There's been plenty of migrating and mixing throughout history, especially in the Levant region by Europeans and Egyptians (who are not Arab). The Philistines themselves were thought to have migrated eastward from the Mediterranean. By now, very few of us are ethnically homogeneous.