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[WHO ME]

Markalan said: Salvation is being born again and becoming one with Jesus Christ.
Not everyone has that opportunity. Do you believe they all go to hell?


WHO ME replys: this is what I believe:
Roman 10:17 Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God
John 14:6 I am the way the truth and the light No one comes to the Father but by me....
Acts 4:11-12. Theres no other name under heaven that men are saved but Jesus Christ

If faith comes by hearing where do these people get their faith for Gods grace to work through...

How can anyone come to the Father when its said no one comes to the father but by Jesus?



How do you know they havent heard, is God not capable of getting his word out? I can only go by what the gospel says on how one comes to the Father..... if no one comes to the Father but by Christ, what should I say thats a lie?

 

[WHO ME]

If God says no man shall be able to say there is no God by looking at creation... the world stars etc.... they will have no excuse, hes talking about all people here... if they in their hearts say, there must be a God as I look at creation then cannot God make himself known to them?

 

[WHO ME]

At the end of the day we must go with this

Roman 10:17 Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God
John 14:6 I am the way the truth and the light No one comes to the Father but by me....
Acts 4:11-12. Theres no other name under heaven that men are saved but Jesus Christ

If faith comes by hearing where do these people get their faith for Gods grace to work through....

Do we say God the above verses arent true?
Otherwise we are going with our own reasoning and are we smarter than God?

 

[markalan]

If God says no man shall be able to say there is no God by looking at creation... the world stars etc.... they will have no excuse, hes talking about all people here... if they in their hearts say, there must be a God as I look at creation then cannot God make himself known to them?

Yes, I agree fully that God did make Himself known to them ... the Gospel did not reach my country to the late 18th century, but the people still knew there was a Creator ... and they still knew the law that God should be honored and people should be treated respectfully (the two greatest commandments).

 

[markalan]

At the end of the day we must go with this

Roman 10:17 Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God
John 14:6 I am the way the truth and the light No one comes to the Father but by me....
Acts 4:11-12. Theres no other name under heaven that men are saved but Jesus Christ

If faith comes by hearing where do these people get their faith for Gods grace to work through....

Do we say God the above verses arent true?
Otherwise we are going with our own reasoning and are we smarter than God?

It is true that we cannot come into a fully personal relationship with God except through Jesus Christ.

"Coming to the Father" is not about going to heaven ..it is about our relationship with God here and now.

The issue is what happens at the final judgement ... which we read about in Matthew 25 and Revelation 20... that is when all people who were not born again are judged ... and both Matthew 25 & Revelation 20 talk about "works".

 

[amigo de christo]

I'll do one at a time......
How can a man be saved without the blood of Christ?
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world...


WHO ME replies: not for ours only (believers) but also for the unbelievers, yes christ died for all but you must believe on his name to be saved.....

STICK to that rock solid stance my friend . Cause as you see
many are already going down the path of the lie . And schuller and billy did not work alone .
T HEY believe THE LIE of all lies and the snare of all snares .
THEY FLAT OUT DENEID THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS
and even SOLD A FAT LIE . as satans right
hand man shucller lit up like a school child , AFTER THE LIE BILLY said .
T HEY lost . I WONT HEAR IT , I WONT recieve their lies on or anyhwere near my watch .
AND YOU WERE WISE to expose them quickly . Many now clambor over the tits of a whore and her milk of false love
that has and is leading ALL to join hand in hand IN THE LIE of all lies
that they claim be the LOVE OF GOD and His plan for world peace . Expose it all my friend .
WE shall cling ONLY TO JESUS , ONLY TO JESUS , ONLY TO JESUS and HIS GOSPEL
which darn sure made it clear ONE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM . Stick to it my friend cause many
are the harlot daughters of an ecumenical whore of all whores , harlot or all harlots ,
That work her lie unto the masses .

 

[amigo de christo]

BG's answer was that God is still calling people to Himself ... which is obviously true.

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"And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name"​

what a crock . You all sold out to a lie . A LIE .
But not on my watch . No sir and no mams it will NOT be allowed in my sight or within my hearing .
I Expose satans ecumeincal whore and her int efaith dialgoue of many anti christs .
YE SHALL NOT at tain world peace for the LIE of all lies that has trod JESUS under foot is in it .
HERE is what you , THE RCC , the sold out ecmiencal realm are gonna see
ON JESUS day . NOT PEACE n safety , SUDDEN DESTRUcTION .
YOU are clearly in love with your men and your ecmiencal leaders .
ANYONE with eyes can see what billy and schuller did . AND IT WAS ALL of anti christ .
YOU will stop RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW with trying to make excuse for them .
Or prepare to scream in total terror on JESUS day as you are told
DEPART from me you who worked an anti christ ecumeincal lie unto this people . I NEVER KNEW you .
This will cease in my sight asap . T he church has spiritual autority to remit and to retain .
SO i suggest YOU my dear sir , cease and dissist asap .

 

[markalan]

STICK to that rock solid stance my friend . Cause as you see
many are already going down the path of the lie . And schuller and billy did not work alone .
T HEY believe THE LIE of all lies and the snare of all snares .
THEY FLAT OUT DENEID THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS
and even SOLD A FAT LIE . as satans right
hand man shucller lit up like a school child , AFTER THE LIE BILLY said .
T HEY lost . I WONT HEAR IT , I WONT recieve their lies on or anyhwere near my watch .
AND YOU WERE WISE to expose them quickly . Many now clambor over the tits of a whore and her milk of false love
that has and is leading ALL to join hand in hand IN THE LIE of all lies
that they claim be the LOVE OF GOD and His plan for world peace . Expose it all my friend .
WE shall cling ONLY TO JESUS , ONLY TO JESUS , ONLY TO JESUS and HIS GOSPEL
which darn sure made it clear ONE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM . Stick to it my friend cause many
are the harlot daughters of an ecumenical whore of all whores , harlot or all harlots ,
That work her lie unto the masses .

Strangely enough I agree with you on some points ... the organized church is not God's will ... people are not saved by going to church ... they can only be saved (born again) by faith in the atoning death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

But that's not what we are discussing. We were talking about what happens to people who have never heard the Gospel. Do you have an answer?

 

[amigo de christo]

Markalan said again:How can a man be saved without the blood of Christ?
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Jesus' blood has atoned for the sins of the whole world.

WHO ME replys: yes Christ died for all but only those who believe on His name shall be saved....

well WHO ME , YOU SPOKE T RULY
cause SO DID JESUS . SO DID teh apostels , THEY ALL MADE crystal clear
YE HAD TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
and they all warned of the up most dire and wailing producing torment that would come upon
ALL who denied HIM .
SO i leave us with the words of another apostel
WHEN HE TOO was speaking to the jews . and preaching JESUS to them .
But BEWARE
Lest that come upon you which is written
Behold wonder and PERISH . PERISH , PERISH
for i work a work in
your days that ye will in no wise BELIEVE though a man declare unto you .
I EXPOSE them grahams
I EXPOSE them scullers and all who work a LIE unto this people
that makes VOID in any shape , way , form or fashion THE DIRE AND ABSOLUTE DIRE NEED to have TO BLEIEVE ON JESUS .
I Expose them all . And have declared all out spiritual war
against that wicked satanic ecumeincal interfaith LIE . And shall expose all who do partake of it .
ITS JESUS . hear this , ITS JESUS i shall point too . WITH the dire reminder of the absolute dire need
to BELIEVE ON HIM or perish . and that all other relgions are false and in darkness
And not a one of them will save but rather be the end and d estruction of all who partook in a lie
Expose them all . I will . i have counted the cost
and if it even cost me all and my life ,
SO be it , JESUS ALONE will be pointed too and all false religoins and lies Exposed on my watch .

 

[amigo de christo]

Strangely enough I agree with you on some points ... the organized church is not God's will ... people are not saved by going to church ... they can only be saved (born again) by faith in the atoning death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

But that's not what we are discussing. We were talking about what happens to people who have never heard the Gospel. Do you have an answer?

no sir , you were defending b illy graham and schuller .
AND TILL you repent of that , sorry bud i dont heed men that try and support anything remotely
connected to that camp of harlots WHO SOLD the gospel OUT for the will of a ecumiencal WHORE ,
now hear this , WHORE OF ALL WHORES adn HARLOT of all harlots . WHO does ONLY teh work of satan .
I Will not hear any excuse for such a whore or her doctrine or her sold out men .
IF you are so worried
about THOSE who have not heard the gospel , GET OFF THINE RUMP
and start pointing to JESUS .
Cause pointing to ecumeincalism , WELL ya may as well be sending them right into the den of the devil himself
wherein many anti christs do his b idding .
What you got to say about that .
YOU probably see me as the most hateful monster to ever walk this earth .
B UT DO remember this , IT WAS JESUS
it was JESUS , HIS GOSPEL i pointed folks to , not a lukewarm whore of all whores ecumeincal of anti christ interfaith or any thing else
that flaps outta their lips .
I WILL DIE before i join in hands with anything or anyone ecumeincal .
Now does this make me seen as a hater of GOD to you . I wil flat out tell you
what most no longer even know . THE ECUMEICAL interfaith IS OF SATAN , IS of many anti christs .
AND I DO NOT WORSHIP IN ANY WAY ITS GOD . for its god be satan .
SO tell me DO I KNOW GOD or do you BELEIVE me to be of satan. Cause it cant b e both . I JUST
and called its god satan . so you decide to day what i am . not that it will even matter to me at all
what man thinks about me . I WILL DIE before i join it . but know this
I DO NOT even bleieve IN SELF defense . I had rather one kill me than me even ever harm a hair one their head .
SO FIGURE IT OUT friend and fast too .

 

[markalan]

no sir , you were defending b illy graham and schuller .
AND TILL you repent of that , sorry bud i dont heed men that try and support anything remotely
connected to that camp of harlots WHO SOLD the gospel OUT for the will of a ecumiencal WHORE ,
now hear this , WHORE OF ALL WHORES adn HARLOT of all harlots . WHO does ONLY teh work of satan .
I Will not hear any excuse for such a whore or her doctrine or her sold out men .
IF you are so worried
about THOSE who have not heard the gospel , GET OFF THINE RUMP
and start pointing to JESUS .
Cause pointing to ecumeincalism , WELL ya may as well be sending them right into the den of the devil himself
wherein many anti christs do his b idding .
What you got to say about that .
YOU probably see me as the most hateful monster to ever walk this earth .
B UT DO remember this , IT WAS JESUS
it was JESUS , HIS GOSPEL i pointed folks to , not a lukewarm whore of all whores ecumeincal of anti christ interfaith or any thing else
that flaps outta their lips .
I WILL DIE before i join in hands with anything or anyone ecumeincal .
Now does this make me seen as a hater of GOD to you . I wil flat out tell you
what most no longer even know . THE ECUMEICAL interfaith IS OF SATAN , IS of many anti christs .
AND I DO NOT WORSHIP IN ANY WAY ITS GOD . for its god be satan .
SO tell me DO I KNOW GOD or do you BELEIVE me to be of satan. Cause it cant b e both . I JUST
and called its god satan . so you decide to day what i am . not that it will even matter to me at all
what man thinks about me . I WILL DIE before i join it . but know this
I DO NOT even bleieve IN SELF defense . I had rather one kill me than me even ever harm a hair one their head .
SO FIGURE IT OUT friend and fast too .

I don't like denominational ecumenism any more than you do friend.

But the question I am interested in is whether you think all the people who lived and died in my country (Australia) before the Gospel arrived in 1788, are in hell.

BTW Billy Graham admitted he made mistakes, he especially regretted his political involvement. I trust God will judge you (and me) by what we get right and not by our mistakes ... that is assuming you have made any.

 

[amigo de christo]

Strangely enough I agree with you on some points ... the organized church is not God's will ... people are not saved by going to church ... they can only be saved (born again) by faith in the atoning death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

But that's not what we are discussing. We were talking about what happens to people who have never heard the Gospel. Do you have an answer?

its not the ones who never heard the gospel that i worry about .
ITS THOSE WHO DID and REJECTED IT , i shudder in my boots for those .
I shudder in total terror for those who go around as billy graham did near his last days
and sold JESUS out for a lie .
EVERYONE more and more is beginning to beleive that lie . And i mean in christendom
cause the false religoins already do beleive its lie , seeing they rejected the gospel of JESUS .
SO the question is
What are YOU gonna do with the info i just gave you .
Or are you gonna keep trying to defend what schuller and graham both said . AS IF .
We have a rock solid ch oice we had better make .
AND IT better have been THE RIGHT ONE is all i can say . cause any choice that omits
the fact one must BELEIVE ON JESUS and rather implies this other anti christ ecumenical intefaith stuff ,
IT THE WRONG CHOICE . so i make a call for us all today
CHOOSE YE this day whether ye shall serve the GOD and HIS CHRIST that actually did inspire the scriptures
OR the chosen jesus this other ecumeincal one which cant save squat .
BUT as for me IT IS JESUS I choose adn HIS WORDS i choose to beleive .

 

[WHO ME]

John 10:1 verily verily I (Jesus) say unto you, he that entereth Not by the door (Jesus) into the sheepfold but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't like denominational ecumenism any more than you do friend.

But the question I am interested in is whether you think all the people who lived and died in my country (Australia) before the Gospel arrived in 1788, are in hell.

BTW Billy Graham admitted he made mistakes, he especially regretted his political involvement. I trust God will judge you (and me) by what we get right and not by our mistakes ... that is assuming you have made any.

okay now we are getting somewhere . SEE BILLY DID admit that he had seriously made mistakes
when he got involved in this ecumeincal political stuff . SO it do seem as perhaps he was being convicted
and perhaps did repent near his end . HE MAY HAVE . IT SEEMED like he was sorry .
However you cannot defend what he said to schuller . okay . that was what got me so worried . when you t ried to defend it .
CAUSE It seems like billy might have repented of it . GOOD IF HE DID .
As far as anyone who never heard the gospel
MY best guess is JESUS did what HE DID for the lost souls who had never heard it
HE went and preached to them in prison .
BUT that do not include ONE WHO DID HEAR IT and REJECTED IT . no that one g onna burn alive my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't like denominational ecumenism any more than you do friend.

But the question I am interested in is whether you think all the people who lived and died in my country (Australia) before the Gospel arrived in 1788, are in hell.

BTW Billy Graham admitted he made mistakes, he especially regretted his political involvement. I trust God will judge you (and me) by what we get right and not by our mistakes ... that is assuming you have made any.

God will judge us by WHO we believed and whose g ospel we beleived . AND MERCY rejoices against judgement . HENCE BELEIVE JESUS
As far as sins and errors , the key is REPENT of those , confess and repent , BUT never justify .

 

[markalan]

John 10:1 verily verily I (Jesus) say unto you, he that entereth Not by the door (Jesus) into the sheepfold but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber

What is the "sheepfold"?

 

[amigo de christo]

What is the "sheepfold"?

The sheep fold of JESUS is the beleiving jew and believing g entile .
and OTHERS i have which are not of this fold
them must i also bring and they shall be ONE FOLD with ONE SHEPARD .

 

[markalan]

As far as anyone who never heard the gospel
MY best guess is JESUS did what HE DID for the lost souls who had never heard it
HE went and preached to them in prison .
BUT that do not include ONE WHO DID HEAR IT and REJECTED IT . no that one g onna burn alive my friend .

I agree that those who have heard the Gospel, and consciously rejected Jesus Christ, are lost.

The question remains about the billions who have lived and died and not heard the Gospel, in the 2000 years since Jesus preached to the souls in prison?

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree that those who have heard the Gospel, and consciously rejected Jesus Christ, are lost.

The question remains about the billions who have lived and died and not heard the Gospel, in the 2000 years since Jesus preached to the souls in prison?

I already stated what JESUS did for the souls in the days of noah and etc .
As far as billions never having heard , I DONT think so .
Look around and marvel . I give you this challenge
GO to any atheist age twenty and above , go to any muslim , buddists , new ager ,
hindu that is twenty and above . YOU tell them about JESUS
and the gospel . NOW MARVEL NOT when they tell you I HEARD ALL THAT and i still reject it .
YOU would be s hocked to the core at how many have already heard and have already rejected .
HOWEVER , if the scenario exists wherin one never heard , well they never heard .
JESUS said HE would not even RETURN till the gospel had been preached to all nations .
I highly suspect this will not have been the case that one never heard . HOWEVER
it one never did then i can only guess that JESUS would have done for them what HE DID for the lost souls in noahs day .

 

[WHO ME]

What is the "sheepfold"?

Believers who belong to Christ