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amigo de christo

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Oh dear, you mean you don't know what the good fight of FAITH is? That is so sad for you. The good fight of faith is by faith, not by the flesh. I hope you will come to Jesus and receive His Spirit. Because our fight is a spiritual battle and it is by His Spirit that we fight it. God's ways are not man's ways, they are not carnal........they are higher.
soon it wont matter to them at all about having to have FAITH IN JESUS .
What will matter to them is ANY religoin or christain who has their hope in THE PEACE PLAN OF GOD
is following GOD . you mark them words well sister .
Their faith , their hope , their loyalty , it WILL bE IN MAN and in whatever god
supports such a peace plan . THAT ONE will be their end on JESUS day .
You can already see its heading right in that direction
AS even mrs holla white says , HEY IF TRUMP SAID IT GOD SAID IT .
Soon sister the ecumeincal whore will have them , all sides to the inclusive god .
And it will cry for the crusades and they will hear its voice
believing this is necessary for to attain THE PEACE OF what IT SAID WAS OF GOD .
But here is whose peace it be of
AND BY PEACE shall he destroy many . ITS ALL been a set up sister . all of it a smoke screen
pony dog and show to lead them all to the last hour wherein all out holy war
will be raged agai nst all that did not conform to that god and its peace plan . ONLY
i think we both know why said god and NOT GOD . someone been lying to the nations
And someones harlot h as been lying to the nations and religoins and christendom .
 
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The writing on the wall
yep . and it cleary says GET OUTTA of the ecumiecal call of its inclusive god .
OHDEARA OHDEARA
AHARLOTS LOVE BEOURENDA .
The writing on the wall and the cry which will be heard on JESUS DAY by them all .
OH dear OH dear
A HARLOTS LOVE be our END .
You better get out now .
 

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And you can't fight earthly demons with spiritual swords.
You actually have to fight them face to face.
What in the world is an earthly demon? A demon is a demon and they have to flee at the name of Jesus. We are told to cast out demons. We don't do that with a physical sword, or a gun. It is done with the name, and the power of Jesus Christ.
 

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Not sure what this has to do with Christian Nationalism.
Cheer up, you would be really offended if it was connected to CN.
But your angry outbursts are getting worse and are noticed.

Trump commemorative passport design for America’s 250th birthday deepens fears of cult-like nationalism.​

 
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The two stones represent stony hearts of carnal man...right and left ventricle.
No it doesn’t! You’re just making things up. There are 4 chambers to a human heart. You just ignore the Two upper chambers called atria to make the numbers match.

The importance of the 10 Commandments is not what they supposedly represent but what they are. And what are they? The only law God literary made with his own finger. Maybe what they literally say is importent.
 

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Oh dear, you mean you don't know what the good fight of FAITH is? That is so sad for you. The good fight of faith is by faith, not by the flesh.
LOL You‘re such a Platonist, everything represents your IDOL of over-spiritualization. Jesus didn’t literary walk by the spirit but by his fleshy legs. And so do we. We exist in the flesh, our bodies were God given, not to be trivialized and dismissed. And what about fleeing? The lengths you’ll go to deny the needs of our flesh!
 

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What in the world is an earthly demon? A demon is a demon and they have to flee at the name of Jesus. We are told to cast out demons. We don't do that with a physical sword, or a gun. It is done with the name, and the power of Jesus Christ.
EVIL PEOPLE
 

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LOL You‘re such a Platonist, everything represents your IDOL of over-spiritualization. Jesus didn’t literary walk by the spirit but by his fleshy legs. And so do we. We exist in the flesh, our bodies were God given, not to be trivialized and dismissed. And what about fleeing? The lengths you’ll go to deny the needs of our flesh!
Of course one can flee danger.....that is not sinning or hurting anybody, unless the Lord tells you not to flee of course. Jesus even said if you are persecuted in one town flee to another.
 
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Oh dear, you mean you don't know what the good fight of FAITH is? That is so sad for you. The good fight of faith is by faith, not by the flesh
So says you to qualify the unqualified word of God. When others fight you in the flesh, you need to defend yourself to keep fighting. The good fight necessarily involves physically. See Jesus flipping over tables.
 

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What in the world is an earthly demon? A demon is a demon and they have to flee at the name of Jesus. We are told to cast out demons. We don't do that with a physical sword, or a gun. It is done with the name, and the power of Jesus Christ.
sounds like something one of the nar realm leaders like kenneth copeland once said
WHEN HE was DESIRING A NEW JET .
He cant be around all those demons on the air plane .
Same man , however , also said HE had to tell GOD ALL MIGHTY HIMSELF
to get THE SON out of MR KENNETHS way SO HE could get the job done.
Believe me when i say sister , you cant trust squat that comes outta the lips of a nar realmer .
How about this queen of the nar realm , mrs paula holla white cain
WHO said IF TRUMP said it GOD said it . AND THEY STILL DONT THINK
politics and religoin HAVE MERGED .
 
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The teaching in Ephesians 6 is highly relevant today. And especially as pertains to the environment that has injected itself into this thread.
Of course it is; the Bible is highly relevant for today. I quoted from Eph. 6 because that portion shows why “Christian nationalists” are wrong biblically, and he responded with a video with Eph. 6 being read. Without stating why that was done, it seems pointless.

Semantics.
Fine,I'll rephrase the question.

The Hebrews,Israel,weren't the saints, servants of the Lord, or the righteous?
No, it isn’t semantics. The Israelites were not believers, but you're ignoring the actual argument. Let's go back to the start:

@Wrangler stated: "That goes against the Bible and history. God’s people have killed from the beginning." HERE.

I replied: "Stop taking things out of context and learn how to properly interpret scripture." HERE.

You responded: "There's no twisting of Scripture in recognizing the wars in the Old Testament.

Denying they exist, is an affront to God." HERE.

I responded: "I haven’t denied anything. Don’t try and put words in my mouth. His post goes far beyond merely “recognizing the wars in the Old Testament,” he’s saying that what God has commanded in the OT to Israel alone, for a specific time and for specific reasons, applies also to believers. But that is patently false." HERE.

You responded: "The Hebrews,Israel,weren't believers?" HERE.

So, the initial argument is that "God's people have killed from the beginning," in order to justify Christians killing people in God's name. But that is

@Wrangler posted this previously: "Pacifists have displaced the warrior God, LORD of heavens armies, who we are made in his image, and who commanded us to kill men, women, children, babies and animals, and who will raise evil doers from the dead only to condemn in the Lake of Fire with a sugar and spice and everything nice IDOL." HERE.

Using the OT commands of God--which were for a specific people, for specific purposes, at specific, limited times--to argue to what followers of Christ are to do, is a very serious misinterpretation and twisting of Scripture because it completely ignores historical and biblical context. That's the kind of misinterpretation I expect from atheists, not those who claim to follow Christ and believe the Bible. God's commands to the Israelites to wipe out nations because the time of their judgement had arrived has absolutely zero bearing on followers of Christ. And that is precisely why we not only don't see a single command or example of a believer attacking or killing someone, we see numerous commands to treat others with respect, kindness, and humility, even when being persecuted.

I have previously provided @Wrangler numerous passages from the NT which clearly show how believers are to act toward others, even in times of persecution, multiple times, and he never responded once. I may have provided them to you as well and you ignored them (if it wasn't you, it was someone else).

This is one of the main problems with "Christian nationalism"--it's all based on serious twisting of Scripture (much of it purposeful; some of it due to ignorance), using Christ's name only for the purposes of gaining power and control. It is wicked and anti-Christ; it goes against Scripture and completely lacks faith and trust in God to do what he said he would do and by the means he said he would do it--he changes hearts through the prayers and evangelism of Christ's followers. Period. And that is how nations are changed.

"Christian nationalism" is literally Mount Sinai all over again.
 
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Of course it is; the Bible is highly relevant for today. I quoted from Eph. 6 because that portion shows why “Christian nationalists” are wrong biblically, and he responded with a video with Eph. 6 being read. Without stating why that was done, it seems pointless.


No, it isn’t semantics. The Israelites were not believers, but you're ignoring the actual argument. Let's go back to the start:

@Wrangler stated: "That goes against the Bible and history. God’s people have killed from the beginning." HERE.

I replied: "Stop taking things out of context and learn how to properly interpret scripture." HERE.

You responded: "There's no twisting of Scripture in recognizing the wars in the Old Testament.

Denying they exist, is an affront to God." HERE.

I responded: "I haven’t denied anything. Don’t try and put words in my mouth. His post goes far beyond merely “recognizing the wars in the Old Testament,” he’s saying that what God has commanded in the OT to Israel alone, for a specific time and for specific reasons, applies also to believers. But that is patently false." HERE.

You responded: "The Hebrews,Israel,weren't believers?" HERE.

So, the initial argument is that "God's people have killed from the beginning," in order to justify Christians killing people in God's name. But that is

@Wrangler posted this previously: "Pacifists have displaced the warrior God, LORD of heavens armies, who we are made in his image, and who commanded us to kill men, women, children, babies and animals, and who will raise evil doers from the dead only to condemn in the Lake of Fire with a sugar and spice and everything nice IDOL." HERE.

Using the OT commands of God--which were for a specific people, for specific purposes, at specific, limited times--to argue to what followers of Christ are to do, is a very serious misinterpretation and twisting of Scripture because it completely ignores historical and biblical context. That's the kind of misinterpretation I expect from atheists, not those who claim to follow Christ and believe the Bible. God's commands to the Israelites to wipe out nations because the time of their judgement had arrived has absolutely zero bearing on followers of Christ. And that is precisely why we not only don't see a single command or example of a believer attacking or killing someone, we see numerous commands to treat others with respect, kindness, and humility, even when being persecuted.

I have previously provided @Wrangler numerous passages from the NT which clearly show how believers are to act toward others, even in times of persecution, multiple times, and he never responded once. I may have provided them to you as well and you ignored them (if it wasn't you, it was someone else).

This is one of the main problems with "Christian nationalism"--it's all based on serious twisting of Scripture (much of it purposeful; some of it due to ignorance), using Christ's name only for the purposes of gaining power and control. It is wicked and anti-Christ; it goes against Scripture and completely lacks faith and trust in God to do what he said he would do and by the means he said he would do it--he changes hearts through the prayers and evangelism of Christ's followers. Period. And that is how nations are changed.

"Christian nationalism" is literally Mount Sinai all over again.
That was unnecessary.

The point some insist upon is that God demands his faithful today to be completely passive in the face of violent offenders .


That is not consistent with who God is.

Furthermore, I think so e support Christian Nationalism for reasons of reinstalling morality and common decency into American culture.

They perhaps don't realize true Christian Nationalism would mean America becomes a Christian Theocracy.

Which is never a good idea for any country whose people wish to remain free.
 

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So says you to qualify the unqualified word of God. When others fight you in the flesh, you need to defend yourself to keep fighting. The good fight necessarily involves physically. See Jesus flipping over tables.
Oh yes, He sure killed those tables dead didn't He? (shaking my head)
 

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Agh, you again show how you pick and choose when relying on fleshy, carnal, worldly, literal, physical force is OK.
Fleeing is not killing or maiming anybody. It isn't sin. Again, we may be "wise as serpents but harmless as doves".

you know, I doubt Jesus even touched anyone with His whip......I'm guessing He cracked it around a whole lot while rebuking them all soundly and turning over their tables, and the money-changers simply fled from it. Probably they were visited with the fear of the Lord, because Jesus was no ordinary man.
 

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Oh yes, He sure killed those tables dead didn't He? (shaking my head)
What mr nationalism seems to forget is
JESUS was REBUKING
Not bearing the sword to kill them .
Same JESUS would later say from the cross
TO HIS FATHER , LORD forgive them for they know not what they do .
Not long after another man named steven
would do the same thing , rebuke them sharply .
And when they went to cast him out
HE did not pick up the s word , nor st ones to defend himself .
But simply said LORD lay not this sin against their charge .
SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE EARLY CHURCH KNEW JESUS and it sure seems to me
that many no longer do if ever they ever did .
HE who lives by the SWORD shall PERISH by the Sword .
Resist not evil . PRAY for your enemies and do good unto those who hate you .
And let not the servant be above HIS LORD , rather LET HIM LIVE as DID HIS LORD .
I dont seem to remember JESUS , while on earth , putting any man to death .
I also seem to remember when his own apostels had said LORD should we command
that fire come down from heaven and devour them .
HE SAID YE KNOW NOT what SPIRIT YE ARE OF
FOR THE SON of man came not to destroy but to save .
The true message and words of JESUS it sure seems paul and silas also followed .
FOR they would NOT EVEN LET , ALLOW a jailor to kill himself .
NOW ponder on that . IF they had said nothing , he would have killed himself
AND THEN they simply escape .
BUT RATHER THAN allowing that , THEY HOLLERED SIR WE ARE STILL HERE ,
ensuring by them words THEY WOULD NOT then be ab le to escape .
AND WHY would they do that one might wonder,
CAUSE THEY ACTUALLY had the love of GOD within their hearts and desired NOT the destruction of their enemies
but rather LIFE FOR THEM . aka TO BELEIVE ON JESUS .
Something this ecumiencal intefaith that so many are in love with , HAS REMOVED ,
and these people SEEM NOT TO GIVE A RIP ONE ABOUT THAT .
SO long as their man sits the throne , is all they care about .
WELL our GOD and HIS CHRIST SIT THE , as in THE THRONE , THE HEAVENLY ONE
and unto HIM sho uld our hope , trust , faith and loyality BE . ye simply cannot merge the earthen and the heavenly .
 
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That was unnecessary.

The point some insist upon is that God demands his faithful today to be completely passive in the face of violent offenders .


That is not consistent with who God is.

Furthermore, I think so e support Christian Nationalism for reasons of reinstalling morality and common decency into American culture.

They perhaps don't realize true Christian Nationalism would mean America becomes a Christian Theocracy.

Which is never a good idea for any country whose people wish to remain free.
You don't have to be "passive". Ask God for help to start with.....and there are lots of wise things one may do in a situation without sinning........use your imagination. Unless you are at rest in the Lord, in the spirit, then He may take over the situation for you or lead you in what to do. Jesus is alive, not dead. There are many testimonies. It sounds as though you have never experienced the Lord in this way.
 

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Fleeing is not killing or maiming anybody. It isn't sin. Again, we may be "wise as serpents but harmless as doves".

you know, I doubt Jesus even touched anyone with His whip......I'm guessing He cracked it around a whole lot while rebuking them all soundly and turning over their tables, and the money-changers simply fled from it. Probably they were visited with the fear of the Lord, because Jesus was no ordinary man.
For the son of man came not to destroy mens lives but rather to save them .
Now its very true that ON JESUS day he is gonna destroy all who denied HIM .
But THAT IS HIS LAWFUL RIGHT TO DO SO . and not mans .
But if that be hard for them to understand
then i will simply say , LET HE who is without SIN cast the first stone at the head of the infidel .
BUT AS WE BOTH KNOW , not a rock one could be thrown by man .
AND WHY i wonder might that be ,
CAUSE THERE IS NONE WHO IS RIGHTEOUS and who has NOT SINNED .
ONLY GOD has that right and for now HE has given us the gospel to spread
UNTIL THE DOOR IS SHUT and HIS WRATH COMETH DOWN UPON ALL who rejected the love of truth
and rather had pleasure in unrighteousness and made and loved A LIE .