I guess that's what many said of the Apostle Paul because to them their paradigm was more important to them than the message Paul went around the known World disseminating.
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I don't think Paul was misrepresenting or lying. He declared I am telling the truth of the message directly from Christ. He witnessed Christ Himself. He was executed for standing on that truth.
A couple of thoughts...
1. This guy is a Muslim, so of course, he hates Israel. As far as colonization, Islam is one of the biggest colonizers out there. They colonized the entire Middle East, North Africa, and parts of southern Europe before they were kicked out. And they're still back at it today.
2. Zionism is a political ideology, not a religious one. Well, duh. I'm not sure why this is a surprise or necessarily a bad thing. The most influential Zionist leaders were secular, and it has always primarily been a political, national movement. That is no different from the vast majority of countries in the world.
3. There has always been a continuous Jewish presence in the part of the world. There are just as many Middle Eastern Mizrahi Jews living in Israel as there are European Ashkenazi Jews.
4. He says Jews had centuries of access to Palestine and that Muslim societies generally offered greater security and religious autonomy. Jews were a protected group, but it came at a cost. Co-existence meant subordination and degradation. They held dhimmi status, which means they were taxed and treated like second-class citizens. Basically, they were forced to pay protection money. When the Ottoman Empire collapsed after World War 1, they lost whatever protection they had, and Muslim hostilities against them increased. Even when they had dhimmi status, there were still a number of Jewish pogroms.
1. This guy is a Muslim, so of course, he hates Israel. As far as colonization, Islam is one of the biggest colonizers out there. They colonized the entire Middle East, North Africa, and parts of southern Europe before they were kicked out. And they're still back at it today.
2. Zionism is a political ideology, not a religious one. Well, duh. I'm not sure why this is a surprise or necessarily a bad thing. The most influential Zionist leaders were secular, and it has always primarily been a political, national movement. That is no different from the vast majority of countries in the world.
3. There has always been a continuous Jewish presence in the part of the world. There are just as many Middle Eastern Mizrahi Jews living in Israel as there are European Ashkenazi Jews.
4. He says Jews had centuries of access to Palestine and that Muslim societies generally offered greater security and religious autonomy. Jews were a protected group, but it came at a cost. Co-existence meant subordination and degradation. They held dhimmi status, which means they were taxed and treated like second-class citizens. Basically, they were forced to pay protection money. When the Ottoman Empire collapsed after World War 1, they lost whatever protection they had, and Muslim hostilities against them increased. Even when they had dhimmi status, there were still a number of Jewish pogroms.
Gray_Joy
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I cut that last part off so to inject my own sentence.
"they turn themselves inside out....to ultimately prove they are not of or in Christ."
Jesus was a Jew.
Antisemetics who claim to also be Christian? Are liars and Satanic.
The need to get onto a hobby horse, the need to feel outrage and label those who see differently; does it have limits?
Gray_Joy
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It would appear so,since you haven't yet posted another racist video.
Thank you for that.
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Thing is, true Euriopean history is very close to the way he had described. It is awash with blood, greed, war, and all manner of evil.
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All the worlds history is such.
Our religious history is awash with the same things.
The Dark Ages is know in history for the period when the ecclesiastical Roman system was king of the castle. Imagine that....and wow, the followers of those that protested are knocking on this systems door.
Do we really want to go back to how it was for well over a millennium? Many current movements globally are taking on those values and standing in line ready to bow the knee.
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Add to the mix feudalism and rampant colonisation throughout the world, the associated Rome sponsored annihilation of entire cultures emf London sponsored attempted decimation of the same in Alistair's and NZ, and everyone thinks that after 1500 years the leopard had changed its spots.
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Just for clarification, and certainly no criticism or offence is meant, what is "emf"? When I see those letters, I think of the European Mission Fellowship, whose July prayer-letter I received by email yesterday. And what is "Alistair's and New Zealand"? I wondered if you meant "Australia and New Zealand," but that seems too different to be accounted for by a typo. Thanks.
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I'm not sure it was a racist video. What I saw and heard was a recounting of s documented history of Europe. This wasn't new to me, and he isn't the first to broach this subject. That all of Europe during that period of time were dominated by white folk doesn't mean any recounting of that history is motivated by anti white sentiment.
I don't deny that history, in fact my homeland of NZ and my adopted country of Australia were both impacted by it, as did America. Remember the American revolution? There was a reason for that. Those who rebelled against England knew the history. Your pioneers understood the implications of a continuing British rule (which was not racist as they themselves were from European stock)...potentially a tyranny... as it was here in Australia against the natives and threatened to be in NZ if not for the exceptional fighting skills ofthe local Maori and adverse environmental impact for the British soldiery.
Such rejection of British rule in America, the south pacific, India, South Africa etc wasn't racist. It was complicated, it was political and it was to a great extent religious. But not racist.
I don't deny that history, in fact my homeland of NZ and my adopted country of Australia were both impacted by it, as did America. Remember the American revolution? There was a reason for that. Those who rebelled against England knew the history. Your pioneers understood the implications of a continuing British rule (which was not racist as they themselves were from European stock)...potentially a tyranny... as it was here in Australia against the natives and threatened to be in NZ if not for the exceptional fighting skills ofthe local Maori and adverse environmental impact for the British soldiery.
Such rejection of British rule in America, the south pacific, India, South Africa etc wasn't racist. It was complicated, it was political and it was to a great extent religious. But not racist.
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Ṭypo, or rather the inability of Google to correct my fat finger sliding too fast across the screen of my phone. My humblest apologies and a reminder to
A. Spell check myself and
B. Slow down. Here is a corrected and edited version....
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