The Prophetic Feasts of Israel

[Jack]

It's not the heavenly country of Hebrews 11.

Never said it is. It's the Land of the Bible where Jesus will return. Why aren't you there? Aren't you Israel?

 

[covenantee]

Never said it is. It's the Land of the Bible where Jesus will return. Why aren't you there?

Because I'm bound for the heavenly country.

 

[Jack]

Because I'm bound for the heavenly country.

Israel identity thieves are CURSED and bound for Hell Fire. Too bad they even curse their families!

 

[William Barton]

Hi William,
Your answer would agree with most of students of the Bible and most Biblical scholars. This is why most students of the Bible and most Biblical scholars are incorrect regarding end time events.

The verses of Matthew 24 are not found in Revelation 19. The verses of Matthew 24 occur in Revelation 6 at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Simple deductive reasoning tells us that Jesus returns at the 6th seal and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. It is a harvest, not a return of Jesus on white horses.

We can also see this harvest that occurs at the 6th seal in Revelation 14. It occurs before the 7th seal wrath of God.

Revelation 14
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

IMO:
o. Revelation 19:11-21 = return of Jesus with his mighty angels.
o. Matthew 25:31 = return of Jesus with his mighty angels.
o. Lots of things occur before this return.

Revelation 14 is a sequence of these prior things.
1. 144 thousand raptured to heaven, to avoid the coming judgments
2. Angel warning about the coming judgments
3. Angel announcing fall of Babylon by the beast
4. Angel warning about worship of the beast.
5. Jesus on white cloud removing believers ("rapture," c.f. 1Thess 4:17)
6. Battle of Har Megiddo (a.k.a. Armageddon).

 

[The Light]

Simple deductive reasoning fails here

It is IMPOSSIBLE for deductive reasoning to fail as it is based on truth.

because the seals speak of future events when they were opened, not events that happen at the opening

What? The seals speak of future events when they are opened. This is events that happen at the opening. Your logic is flawed.

which is why Jesus is opening seals, not leaving heaven to participate in any of those events.

Jesus leaves heaven after He opens the 6th seal just as the Word of God says. He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth just as the Word of God proclaims. He returns to heaven with the great multitude as we can see in Revelation 7. The great multitude is in heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb as we can see in Revelation 19. All return with Jesus as the armies of heaven for Armageddon as we can see in Rev 19 and Rev 16. FACTS. TRUTH.

 

[The Light]

IMO:
o. Revelation 19:11-21 = return of Jesus with his mighty angels.

The return of Jesus in Revelation 19 with armies of heaven has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus sending His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth that we see in Matthew 24.

Matthew 24 shows a harvest which occurs at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Jesus returns with the armies of heaven at the end of the 7th seal at the last trump / vial.

There is a difference between a harvest and vengeance on the Day of the Lord.

o. Matthew 25:31 = return of Jesus with his mighty angels.

This is correct. But it has nothing whatsoever to do with the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 when He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth.

The dividing of the sheep and goats occurs after Armageddon which occurs at the end of the 7th seal wrath of God. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation.

o. Lots of things occur before this return.

ok

Revelation 14 is a sequence of these prior things.
1. 144 thousand raptured to heaven, to avoid the coming judgments

144,000 are raptured to heaven as first fruits meaning there will be a harvest to follow.

2. Angel warning about the coming judgments
3. Angel announcing fall of Babylon by the beast
4. Angel warning about worship of the beast.

ok

5. Jesus on white cloud removing believers ("rapture," c.f. 1Thess 4:17)

This is not 1 Thes 4:17. 1 Thes 4:17 is the rapture of the alive that remain of the Church. The rapture of Jesus coming on a cloud in Revelation 14 is 1 Corinthians 15:51-51.

1 Thessalonians 4 is the rapture of the Church which occurs at the trump of God or voice of God. It will be like the days of Noah.
1 Corinthians 15 is the rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman. It will occur at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. It will be like the days of Lot.

The fig tree has two harvests and there will be two raptures. Jacob had two brides, the second bride being the Chosen bride.

6. Battle of Har Megiddo (a.k.a. Armageddon).

The coming of Jesus with the armies of heaven in Revelation 19.

 

[covenantee]

Israel identity thieves are CURSED and bound for Hell Fire. Too bad they even curse their families!

Provide examples of "Israel identity thieves CURSED and bound for Hell Fire."

 

[Jack]

Provide examples of "Israel identity thieves CURSED and bound for Hell Fire."

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[covenantee]

Israel identity thieves are CURSED and bound for Hell Fire. Too bad they even curse their families!

Who other than antichrists would want to steal identities from antichrists?

 

[Jack]

Who other than antichrists would want to steal identities from antichrists?

Jealous Israel wannabees who have to TOOT their own horns to get attention. (Look at me)!

 

[covenantee]

Jealous Israel wannabees who have to TOOT their own horns to get attention. (Look at me)!

My identity is in Christ. Why would I want to steal the identities of antichrists?

 

[Jack]

My identity is in Christ. Why would I want to steal the identities of antichrists?

Antichrists? You're referring to God's people! Jesus is the God of Israel!

Luke 1:68
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

 

[covenantee]

Antichrists? You're referring to God's people! Jesus is the God of Israel!

Luke 1:68
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Are those God's people?

 

[Jack]

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Are those God's people?

Why are you OBSESSED with hatred for Israel? Why can't you be happy with simple Christian salvation? Why do you want to risk burning in HELL FOREVER?

 

[covenantee]

Why are you OBSESSED with hatred for Israel? Why can't you be happy with simple Christian salvation? Why do you want to risk burning in HELL FOREVER?

I've done nothing more than quote John. Do you think he was "OBSESSED with hatred for Israel?"

 

[Jack]

I've done nothing more than quote John. Do you think he was "OBSESSED with hatred for Israel?"

John and Jesus are Jews. The Bible was written by nearly ALL JEWS! Does that upset you too?

 

[William Barton]

The return of Jesus in Revelation 19 with armies of heaven has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus sending His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth that we see in Matthew 24.

Matthew 24 shows a harvest which occurs at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Jesus returns with the armies of heaven at the end of the 7th seal at the last trump / vial.

There is a difference between a harvest and vengeance on the Day of the Lord.


This is correct. But it has nothing whatsoever to do with the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 when He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth.

The dividing of the sheep and goats occurs after Armageddon which occurs at the end of the 7th seal wrath of God. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation.


ok

144,000 are raptured to heaven as first fruits meaning there will be a harvest to follow.


ok

This is not 1 Thes 4:17. 1 Thes 4:17 is the rapture of the alive that remain of the Church. The rapture of Jesus coming on a cloud in Revelation 14 is 1 Corinthians 15:51-51.

1 Thessalonians 4 is the rapture of the Church which occurs at the trump of God or voice of God. It will be like the days of Noah.
1 Corinthians 15 is the rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman. It will occur at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. It will be like the days of Lot.

The fig tree has two harvests and there will be two raptures. Jacob had two brides, the second bride being the Chosen bride.

The coming of Jesus with the armies of heaven in Revelation 19.

The Light noted:
<return of Jesus has nothing to do with angels gathering>

IMO:
The U.S. similarly warned civilians to get out, before the U.S.. bombed Hiroshema, The intent was to spare civilians from the attack.

The gathering away in Revelation is not from heaven and earth, rather the gathering is from.earth only (1Thessalonians 4:17).

 

[ewq1938]

It is IMPOS

What? The seals speak of future events when they are opened. This is events that happen at the opening.

No events happen. All the seals revealed visions of the future to John. All their prophetic events happen during the trumps. I've mentioned all this many times before but I like to state it all again in case new people are reading.

 

[covenantee]

John and Jesus are Jews. The Bible was written by nearly ALL JEWS! Does that upset you too?

Were they inChrist Jews, or were they antiChrist Jews?

 

[Jack]

Were they inChrist Jews, or were they antichrist Jews?

Are you really implying Jesus, John and the writers of the Bible may have been antichrists?

This is getting very revealing of the hearts of the Israel identity thieves!