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Many Say ‘Just BELIEVE’… But What Did JESUS Actually TEACH?
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Allow no man to steal your crowns. (5)
amigo de christo
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a false prophet , teacher or etc IS a crown taker .
A false inclusive gospel is a second death sentence .
IF that which ye have heard from the BEGINNING shall remain in you
then YOU SHALL CONTINUE in the FATHER and IN THE SON .
but if one be moved away from the HOPE of THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL , that absolutely said YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS ,
and grabs hold of this ecumeincal inclusive one of intefaith
WHICH DARN SURE DENEID the fact one must believe on HIM and rather sold a lie
that said ALL RELIGOINS are serving the same GOD and simply come to him in different and diverse ways .
NOW WE CANNOT BELIEVE BOTH . its one or the other , NOT BOTH . BOTH IS BUT A LIE and is proof
they DONT TRULY BELIEVE THE REAL GOSPEL , only a false one .
Even though...it is our road map from this physical life to our spiritual eternity life. What we have is infalable. from God's perspective. After all there are only 3 things we need to know and do.....repent, be baptized and live a righteous life...until the end. Those are perfectly clear in commandments and intent.
Eternally Grateful
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being baptized and living a righteous life will not save you though.
We must be baptized by God himself because we have repented and recieved the gift of life in faith.
We can live a righteous life all we want. we will still not meet Gods demand or requirment for what is required to be saved.
we still sin and fall short
amigo de christo
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cornelioius himself was a prime example my f riend .
HE did many good works , prayers and alms .
But still had to hear and beleive on JESUS to be sa ved .
Exactly . So now allow a w ord .
WHY am i seeing so many run to a lie t hat they t hink is love and is of GOD .
I say again , why am i seeing so many even in wool run to this inclusive love , WHICH AINT NO GOSPEL
and has DENIED the GOSPEL in favor of a broad muslim , jew , hindu and anyotherluvdu FAT LIE .
As if them other relgoins even serve the same GOD we do . YET i see more and more buying into the lie that they do .
That peace plan of theirs and its interreligious intefaith dialogue IS A DELUSION .
Meant to unify every single decieved group right to a lie and right to the day of their own sudden destruction
which shall come upon them all ON JESUS DAY . Let not it e ver once be supported ever again
nor any who does its work either . T he time to flee it and all who work within it
IS TODAY . more so RIGHT NOW and let none look back .
Behold! You are limiting Jesus' words to one chapter while ignoring everything else He taught about following Him. Yes, Matthew 24 speaks about the tribulation, but the principle of enduring is found throughout Jesus' teaching, not just there. Jesus never taught that once a person believes, nothing else matters. Jesus repeatedly described following Him as a lifelong walk that requires faithfulness, obedience, and perseverance.
If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. (Luke 9:23, ASV)
Notice the word daily. Jesus was not speaking only to believers living during the Great Tribulation. He was speaking to anyone who would come after Him. If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples. (John 8:31, ASV) A disciple is not identified by one moment of belief, but by continuing in Christ's word.
Abide in me, and I in you... If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered... (John 15:4, 6, ASV)
Jesus does not say, "Believe once and nothing can change." He says we must abide in Him. He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. (Matthew 24:13, ASV)
Even if this verse is applied specifically to the tribulation, it does not prove that endurance is unnecessary for everyone else, because Jesus taught the same principle in many other places.
And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold. (Matthew 24:12, ASV) Why would Jesus warn His followers about their love growing cold if that could never happen?
Jesus also warned: And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. (Matthew 10:22, ASV)
Matthew 10 is not about the Great Tribulation. Jesus was sending out the twelve disciples during His earthly ministry. Yet He gives the very same warning: endure to the end.
He also said: Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life. (Revelation 2:10, ASV)
And: He that overcometh shall thus be arrayed in white garments; and I will in no wise blot his name out of the book of life.(Revelation 3:5, ASV)
From the beginning of His ministry to the messages to the churches, the call is always the same: remain faithful, overcome, persevere, endure.
No one earns salvation by enduring. Salvation is God's gift. But Jesus never taught that a person could stop following Him, stop abiding in Him, stop obeying Him, and still claim His promises. Genuine faith is living faith. It continues. It remains. It follows.
The way to heaven is indeed through Jesus Christ. But Jesus Himself tells us what following Him looks like: denying ourselves daily, abiding in His word, keeping His commandments, remaining in Him, and enduring faithfully to the end. Those are not my words. They are His.
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation; for when he hath been approved, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to them that love him. (James 1:12, ASV)
amigo de christo
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The hour is late and the delusion has grown great . To the trenches and let us be faithful even unto death .
Behold
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Im not limiting Jesus, im crediting Jesus fully, with being God's only way to Heaven.
John 14:6
You've yet to do that....because your Legalism denies it.
So, If you ever learn anything about Jesus's Blood and Death that is the New Testament, the New Covenant, and The Gift of SALVATION..., then on that DAY, you'll stop trying to connect God's Son's Sacrifice that is ALL that God offers to save you and keep you saved, with your silly works and law and commandment keeping.
You are always teaching SELF EFFORT to try to STAY SAVED..........and that is SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS that rejects God's actual Salvation.
Its a false gospel.
Its cursed, ... Galatians 1:8.
Behold
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Following Jesus is not the way to Heaven, @LoveYeshua .
You can ask those disciples/followers whom Jesus told......>"Depart from me, i never knew you".
Weren't you a Mormon ????, before you became whatever you are now, @LoveYeshua ?
And when you were a Mormon, didnt you believe you were following Jesus by being a Mormon?
And now you believe you are following Jesus by posting endlessly about works and self effort.
So, you changed suiits, you changed religions........but you've learned nothing so far, regarding what it means to be SAVED, and you'll keep proving this in your next 200 posts.
Listen,
Its the BELIEVER who gains Heaven, who gains inputed righteousness.
God is looking for faith filled BELIEVERs...........not self righteous followers.
You've yet to comprehend that Jesus came to the JEWS., not to the Body of Christ, as it didnt exist when Jesus talked abourt "enduring" and "abiding in His word".
In Fact, Jesus teaches the JEWS that if you keep his word, or abide in them...... you are only His Disciple.
But that does not make you a Christian.......it makes you a disciple.... a follower.
A CHRISTian, is more then a disciple.. they are a BORN AGAIN SON-Daughter of GOD.....and they do not become one by abiding or keeping words Jesus spoke to the "house of Israel".
They become one by putting their FAITH in Christ "while yet a sinner".....so that they can become BORN AGAIN... as a "new Creation".
As that is the proof that you're a Christian
Yes, and blessed are those who give to the Poor.........but enduring temptation and giving to the poor does not cause you to become a Christian.
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I do not know where you studied but they got you, deceived you.
you say following Yeshua is not the way to heaven? how could you say such a thing! actually its horrible!
you think Yeshua's message was only. for the Jews? not so, the bible O.T. proves it, jesus himself sent his disciples to preach and teach he did and said, you deny scripture. I don't teach self effort we cant do anything without Him, i could go on an don but all this I have already told you, you just wont listen, ill write back for your 2posts and prove to you that what you write is not biblical and you err. but it will be the last unless you Repent.
Behold
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Paul doesn't deceive.
I only teach His Doctrine.
"Pauline Theology" or Paul's Doctrine.
You are not familar with it, so to you, it sound's wrong.
Think on that..
What i stated is that a follower, or a disciple of Christ, can be this one........."depart from me i never knew you">......Jesus said.
And then i posted that a CHRISTian, is much more then a Disciple.......they are a "SON-Daughter of God", Born again...a "new Creation".
If you knew how many water baptized followers of Christ and disciples of Christ went to Hell today, you'd perhaps take a pause on your Gospel of Works and self Effort.
Till then, just read Galatians 1:8, , @LoveYeshua .
Jesus came to/for the "House of Israel".......not for the gentiles.
Paul was sent to the Gentiles after Jesus had completed His ministry to the JEWS..... then was Crucified......and was back in Heaven.
The 12 Apostles were all Jews, and were sent to the Jews........not to the Gentiles.
So, their MESSAGE is mainly for the "house of Israel".
Later, when Jesus died on The Cross, the NT Church = the body of Christ, was BORN........and then Paul was called and sent by Jesus with the "doctrine for the Church".....that was given to Him personally, by The Lord Himself.
I confirm scriptures according to how Paul teaches his doctrine.
What i dont do is misapply them.
I rightly divide them according to how God wants a Real Christian to understand the difference between the OT Law and Covenant, and NT Grace and New Covenant.
Many do not understand Paul, you are one of them, Paul does and Cannot contradict Yeshua the following verse that you have seen many times proves it;
2Pe 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
The Gospel, the one I follow is From Christ and Him alone.
Grailhunter
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But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24
What comes out of the Gospels is the Jewish-Christian sect. The Apostles worshipped and sacrificed in the Temple and followed the Mosaic Law in part. Polygamy, concubinage, and slavery was not denounced. The Jewish-Christians practiced the process of the Mosaic letter of divorce. Within Paul's ministry there was no process for divorce, in fact the word is not used outside the Gospels.
Paul's ministry, the Gentile-Christians did not bring in the custom of polygamy and concubinage. Not that it did not occur. Jews that Paul converted did not have to divorce their extra wives and he made the stipulation that a church leader had to be the husband of one wife. The Gentiles brought in the custom of wedding ceremonies. The Gentile-Christians were not allowed in the Temple and eventually started worshipping on the Lord's Day.... Sunday. The Gentile-Christians did not observe Mosaic Laws.
Two distinct "denominations" of sorts that applied Christianity differently. By the end of the first century, the Jewish-Christian sect died out. Not that it was not the plan to convert the Pagans all along.....God so loved the world....But it did not happen much during Yeshua's ministry. And not that a lot of what Yeshua said can be applied to Christianity as a whole.
One of the reasons that it is important to take the Bible as a whole.
There are a few points here that I think need to be corrected.
It is true that Jesus said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24, ASV). That described the focus of His earthly ministry, not the limit of His mission. Jesus also ministered to Gentiles, such as the centurion (Matthew 8:5-13) and the Canaanite woman (Matthew 15:21-28). Before ascending to heaven He expanded the mission to all nations: Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations... (Matthew 28:19, ASV) and...repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name unto all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.(Luke 24:47, ASV)
The apostles did continue to worship at the Temple for a time because it was the place where Jews gathered, but that does not mean they continued offering animal sacrifices as part of Christian worship. Jesus had already offered Himself as the true sacrifice, and after His resurrection the focus of the believers was the breaking of bread, prayer, and the apostles' teaching (Acts 2:42-46).
It is also not correct to say that polygamy and concubinage were accepted. Jesus went back to God's original design:
Have ye not read, that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female... and the two shall become one flesh? So that they are no more two, but one flesh. (Matthew 19:4-6, ASV)
Jesus pointed back to one man and one woman, not multiple wives.
Regarding divorce, it is not accurate to say that the subject disappears outside the Gospels. It is discussed in several New Testament writings. More importantly, Jesus' teaching remains the foundation for Christians because He is the Master whom His disciples follow.
The statement that Gentile Christians began worshipping on Sunday while Jewish Christians continued observing God's commandments oversimplifies history. The book of Acts repeatedly shows Jewish and Gentile believers together in the same congregations. They did not become two different religions. There were disagreements, but the apostles consistently worked to preserve unity in Christ.
The claim that "a lot of what Yeshua said can be applied to Christianity as a whole" is difficult to reconcile with Jesus' own words. He commanded His apostles: ...teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you... (Matthew 28:20, ASV)
He did not say that His teachings were only for Jewish believers. He commanded that all nations be taught everything He had instructed His disciples. So while the gospel began with Israel, it was always intended for the whole world. The church did not outgrow the teachings of Jesus. Rather, the apostles were sent to teach every nation to obey them.
Grailhunter
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Like I said, not much, 90% of the time when Yeshua was speaking He was talking to Jews.
The Jewish-Christians did worship in the Temple....the whole Passover thing. Where else would they worship? No scripture or history that indicate that they did not worship in the Temple. The scriptures describe a place where the Gentile-Christian gathered....outside the Temple. Are you thinking the Gentile-Christians went to the Temple But the Jewish-Christians did not? And if they went to the Temple and refused to sacrifice animals, it would not go over well.
I did not say that the Jewish-Christians no longer practiced divorce. "Several places" find the process of the letter of divorce, outside of the Gospels. Even the word divorce.
Well we have 30,000 Christians denominations today, back then it was two. I am sure that the Gentile-Christians and Jewish-Christians did mingle, but a lot of them harassed Paul's ministy.....thus the meeting in Jerusalem in Acts 15. Not two different religions, two different denominations that practiced Christianity differently. How many times did Paul have to make it clear that they did not observe the Mosaic Law?
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:16-20
Not saying the Jewish-Christians did not convert Gentiles, but they required them to be circumcised first and follow some of the Mosaic Laws.
He instructed the Jews and His Apostles to follow the Mosaic Laws. And I said and agree that it was always intended for the whole world. Out grow? Like I said, it is important to take the Bible as a whole. The Apostles teaching were short lived, they died out around the 1st century. The Gentile-Christians took the helm of the Church.
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Your entire argument depends on separating Jesus' teachings from the way of salvation. Yet Jesus Himself never taught that. Jesus said: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6, ASV)
If Jesus is the Way, then saying, "Following Jesus is not the way to Heaven," directly contradicts His own words.
You also claim that believers are not required to abide in Christ's words. Yet Jesus said:
“If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples.” (John 8:31, ASV)
And: “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10, ASV)
Then you dismiss these words by saying they were only for Jews. But after His resurrection, Jesus gave this command to His apostles: “Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations... teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you.” (Matthew 28:19-20, ASV)
Notice He did not say, "Teach only My words to the Jews." He said, all nations were to be taught everything He commanded.
You say disciples are not Christians. Scripture never makes that distinction. In fact: “And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.” (Acts 11:26, ASV)
The Bible identifies Christians as disciples, not as a separate class of believers who can ignore Christ's teachings.
As for your repeated accusation that I was a Mormon, it is simply false. Repeating something that is untrue does not make it true. It adds nothing to the discussion and distracts from the Scriptures.
Finally, Jesus warned that merely calling Him "Lord" or claiming to believe is not enough: “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46, ASV)
Faith in Christ and obedience to Christ are not enemies. Jesus never separated them. Neither should we. If we truly believe Him, we will also believe what He taught.
amigo de christo
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Some are so mixed up with pauline doctrine , that paul himself would have rebuked , that to now even tell one
let us do the things pleasing to GOD , they actually think that legalism to even say such a thing .
Someone messed these folks up badly my friend . As if telling one to continue in JESUS is now legalism .
Yet go to and behold and you will see they even support THIS interfaith abraham peace accords .
Which clearly sold a lie . It seems to me that people use Jesus own words as a means
to do that which ought not to be done . Using the gospel as a cover and not rather
as in TRUTH . Many seem to use grace as a license for to do as they please and to follow some other jesus
that often will contradict THE WORDS of THE JESUS when such words get in the way of that which they desire above all .
But the sheep , the sheep beleive all that JESUS said and taught
to include the many warnings HE gave , as well as ev en paul and the apostels did give .
They been twisting doctrine and doing so unto their own destruction .
Many have NO desire to FOLLOW , nor to count the cost , nor to give up their life in this world .
And that my friend is not A GOOD sign for them at all .
yeah,some are mixed up and teach their corrupt doctrine on this site mixing up even more people in the process.
Wasn't it Paul who wrote that believers are dead to the Law, that they might be married to Christ..? He only observed the Law insofar as it was expedient so as to not scandalize and offend the Jews unnecessarily, in order to try and win them to Christ. No one could understand about being dead to the Law until after they received Christ (if they would).
Christ alone is our glory and our crown, the beginning and end of our faith. Anyone who tries to take His place in our lives really is a crown taker. Many fit into this category unfortunately, even apart from their theology, whether priests, pastors, prophets or popes. We are to follow Jesus, not men.
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