Actually Jesus returns twice...

[The Light]

Incorrect.
I do not need Noah in the ark 7 days.
Never have.

And yet you claim that the Church will be in heaven before the nonexistent 7 year tribulation.

But here is the kicker...the setting by Jesus in the Noah analogy is normal life , everyday life, and free commerce, and planning for the future.

So right there you have an insurmountable problem.

I'm pretrib and pre wrath. I have no problem. You are talking to too many post tribbers and getting confused.

Your dot connecting with the Noah analogy mirrors postrib doctrine error.

Brother, you have come up with the 6th seal being a prelude or foretelling of the 7th trumpet like post tribbers instead of just recognizing that Jesus comes in power and glory as the 6th seal, just as the Word of God says. It is clearly marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars and yet you claim that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is Armageddon. No evidence anything to do with the wrath of God or vengeance in the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. And there is no evidence of a harvest occurring when Jesus comes on white horses. And yet that is your position.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Double post

 

[rebuilder 454]

And yet you claim that the Church will be in heaven before the nonexistent 7 year tribulation.


I'm pretrib and pre wrath. I have no problem. You are talking to too many post tribbers and getting confused.


Brother, you have come up with the 6th seal being a prelude or foretelling of the 7th trumpet like post tribbers instead of just recognizing that Jesus comes in power and glory as the 6th seal, just as the Word of God says. It is clearly marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars and yet you claim that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is Armageddon. No evidence anything to do with the wrath of God or vengeance in the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. And there is no evidence of a harvest occurring when Jesus comes on white horses. And yet that is your position.

Nope.
I Never needed ANY 7 DAYS...7 YEAR ANYTHING with what you are pushing falsely.

HELLO....if you go back IT WAS YOU PUSHING THAT.
YOU DID THAT.
And then postribbers showed you that ON THE SAME DAY....Noah entered the ark.
I sat back and ate popcorn watching yall batting the air.
I never have and never will need any such ark loading or Noah placed in the ark 7 days.
Nope nope nope.
Maybe you are transposing your past mistake on to me?????????

 

[rebuilder 454]

And yet you claim that the Church will be in heaven before the nonexistent 7 year tribulation.


I'm pretrib and pre wrath. I have no problem. You are talking to too many post tribbers and getting confused.


Brother, you have come up with the 6th seal being a prelude or foretelling of the 7th trumpet like post tribbers instead of just recognizing that Jesus comes in power and glory as the 6th seal, just as the Word of God says. It is clearly marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars and yet you claim that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is Armageddon. No evidence anything to do with the wrath of God or vengeance in the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. And there is no evidence of a harvest occurring when Jesus comes on white horses. And yet that is your position.

QUOTE
"I'm pretrib and pre wrath. I have no problem. You are talking to too many post tribbers and getting confused."
You claim Noah and Lot analogies are separate comings.
One pretrib
One postrib.
That is incorrect.

 

[rebuilder 454]

And yet you claim that the Church will be in heaven before the nonexistent 7 year tribulation.


I'm pretrib and pre wrath. I have no problem. You are talking to too many post tribbers and getting confused.


Brother, you have come up with the 6th seal being a prelude or foretelling of the 7th trumpet like post tribbers instead of just recognizing that Jesus comes in power and glory as the 6th seal, just as the Word of God says. It is clearly marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars and yet you claim that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is Armageddon. No evidence anything to do with the wrath of God or vengeance in the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. And there is no evidence of a harvest occurring when Jesus comes on white horses. And yet that is your position.

I never said or believed there is a harvest at the white horses.
The problem that you have is that in Matthew 24. He says after the tribulation. Jesus comes in power and great glory.
And that can only be the white horses. There's no other place that Jesus comes in power and great glory, Except on the white horse coming at Armageddon.

Again dan 9.
In the middle of the trib, (one week/7 yr period of time) the aod is committed.
7 yr trib.
The last half is the wrath.

 

[The Light]

QUOTE
"I'm pretrib and pre wrath. I have no problem. You are talking to too many post tribbers and getting confused."
You claim Noah and Lot analogies are separate comings.
One pretrib
One postrib.
That is incorrect.

One pretrib and one pre wrath. Yeah pre wrath is post trib, but post tribbers don't recognize that post trib is post wrath because they want to make the 6th seal the same as the 7th trumpet, which of course it's not.

 

[The Light]

I never said or believed there is a harvest at the white horses.

I know. And yet the coming of Jesus is Matthew 24 is Jesus coming for a harvest before the wrath of God.

So since you understand that there are two raptures, where in Revelation does the second rapture occur........what seal?

The problem that you have is that in Matthew 24. He says after the tribulation. Jesus comes in power and great glory.
And that can only be the white horses. There's no other place that Jesus comes in power and great glory, Except on the white horse coming at Armageddon.

There are no problems. Jesus comes in power and glory at the 6th seal. It is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. He sends His angels to gather the elect before the wrath of God. Why you are unable to recognize this I don't know.

Again dan 9.
In the middle of the trib, (one week/7 yr period of time) the aod is committed.
7 yr trib.
The last half is the wrath.

Tribulation is not wrath. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. There is a harvest seen in the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24, which is the harvest of Revelation 14. After this harvest, the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. Believers are not appointed to wrath. This is why there is a harvest at the 6th seal when Jesus comes in power and glory.

There is a final week that begins when a covenant with many is made.

The great tribulation does not begin until the middle of this week. There is no 7 year tribulation.

When God deals with Israel after the Church is raptured, there are 3.5 year remaining.

Those are the 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel.

When will you understand that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the seventh seal is the wrath of God,

You think tribulation and Gods wrath are the same thing. They are not.

 

[The Light]

Nope.
I Never needed ANY 7 DAYS...7 YEAR ANYTHING with what you are pushing falsely.

Then why do you claim there is a 7 tribulation?

HELLO....if you go back IT WAS YOU PUSHING THAT.
YOU DID THAT.
And then postribbers showed you that ON THE SAME DAY....Noah entered the ark.

LOL. You better relook at Genesis 7. Noah does enter the ark on the day of the flood. Noah, his family and all the animals enter the ark on the self same day. That means everyone enters the ark in ONE day. The day is the first day of the 7, the day he was instructed to enter. And we don't know what day the Lord sealed the ark.

I sat back and ate popcorn watching yall batting the air.
I never have and never will need any such ark loading or Noah placed in the ark 7 days.

You need a 7 year tribulation apparently.

 

[ewq1938]

One pretrib and one pre wrath. Yeah pre wrath is post trib, but post tribbers don't recognize that post trib is post wrath

Post trib is post satan's wrath in the trib, then the Coming and rapture, then God's wrath.

Post trib is post satan's wrath but pre God's wrath.

 

[The Light]

Post trib is post satan's wrath in the trib, then the Coming and rapture, then God's wrath.

Post trib is post satan's wrath but pre God's wrath.

That all sounds good, but don't you believe that the 6th seal is the 7th trumpet, and Gods wrath is 30 minutes of silence in heaven?

 

[ewq1938]

That all sounds good, but don't you believe that the 6th seal is the 7th trumpet, and Gods wrath is 30 minutes of silence in heaven?

No.


I believe the 6th seal is describing events of the 7th trump from the perspective of the unsaved. The 7th seal only is speaking of the 30 min and does not include any of the following verses, and not related to God's wrath at all.