When “God Told Me” Becomes a License to Lie

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Some of the most dangerous words spoken in Christianity are not, “I reject the Bible.” They are, “God revealed something to me that the Bible does not say.” That claim may sound spiritual, but sounding spiritual does not make it true. When someone claims new revelation, a hidden meaning, or a higher spiritual truth that cannot be shown from Scripture, they are asking you to accept their words as though God Himself had spoken.

God never told believers to accept every spiritual claim. He commanded the exact opposite. “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” 1 John 4:1. That verse should destroy the careless idea that questioning a claimed revelation means someone is resisting the Holy Spirit. God commands us to test the claim because false prophets do not normally introduce themselves as false prophets. They speak as though they have heard from God.

The standard for testing spiritual claims is not how confident the speaker appears, how sincere they sound, or how powerful their experience felt. Isaiah said, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” Isaiah 8:20. God’s written Word is the standard. A dream, vision, impression, voice, or private message does not become truth simply because someone attaches God’s name to it.

Some claim that insisting on Scripture alone puts a limit on the Holy Spirit. That is backward. The Holy Spirit inspired the Scriptures, and He does not lead people away from the truth He gave. Jesus prayed, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth” John 17:17. The Spirit of truth does not reveal one thing in the written Word and then secretly reveal the opposite to someone else. God does not contradict Himself.

The faith was not left unfinished, waiting for modern teachers to complete what Jesus and the apostles supposedly failed to explain. Jude wrote that believers must “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” Jude 3. The church is commanded to contend for the faith already delivered, not chase after new doctrines, secret interpretations, or messages that cannot be found in the text.

Paul’s warning was severe because spiritual deception is serious. He wrote, “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” Galatians 1:8. He repeated it in the next verse: “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” Galatians 1:9. Even an angelic appearance would not be enough to overturn the message already received. A supernatural claim does not outrank Scripture.

This does not mean the Bible has no depth. It means its depth is found by studying what God actually revealed, not by inventing meanings He never placed in the text. Moses wrote, “The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever” Deuteronomy 29:29. God owns the secret things. We are responsible for what He has revealed. Pride begins when a person claims access to truths God has not made known in His Word.

Some also appeal to God writing His law on the heart as though this promises new doctrines or private revelation. Scripture says, “I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts” Hebrews 8:10. The promise concerns God placing His revealed law within His people, not giving individuals authority to announce doctrines that cannot be tested from Scripture. God writes His truth on the heart. He does not turn every private impression into divine revelation.

Even prophetic speech in the early church was not accepted without examination. Paul wrote, “Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” 1 Corinthians 14:29. He also said, “Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” 1 Thessalonians 5:20–21. Testing a claimed prophecy is not unbelief. Refusing to test it is disobedience.

The Bible also warns against private control over the meaning of Scripture. Peter wrote, “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” 2 Peter 1:20. A faithful teacher draws the meaning from the text in its context. A false teacher forces his own ideas into the text and then claims the Spirit revealed them. That is not illumination. It is manipulation.

Scripture is sufficient to teach, correct, and equip God’s people. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” 2 Timothy 3:16–17. If Scripture thoroughly furnishes the man of God, believers are not spiritually incomplete without someone’s hidden message.

The practical response is simple. Stop being impressed by claims of special access to God. Open the Bible. Read the passage in context. Compare Scripture with Scripture. Follow the example of the Bereans, who “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” Acts 17:11. When someone says God gave them a truth that cannot be demonstrated from Scripture, do not bow to their confidence. Test it, expose it, and reject it.

Will you stand on what God has written, or surrender your discernment to someone who claims God told them more?
 

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Some of the most dangerous words spoken in Christianity are not, “I reject the Bible.” They are, “God revealed something to me that the Bible does not say.” That claim may sound spiritual, but sounding spiritual does not make it true. When someone claims new revelation, a hidden meaning, or a higher spiritual truth that cannot be shown from Scripture, they are asking you to accept their words as though God Himself had spoken.

God never told believers to accept every spiritual claim. He commanded the exact opposite. “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” 1 John 4:1. That verse should destroy the careless idea that questioning a claimed revelation means someone is resisting the Holy Spirit. God commands us to test the claim because false prophets do not normally introduce themselves as false prophets. They speak as though they have heard from God.

The standard for testing spiritual claims is not how confident the speaker appears, how sincere they sound, or how powerful their experience felt. Isaiah said, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” Isaiah 8:20. God’s written Word is the standard. A dream, vision, impression, voice, or private message does not become truth simply because someone attaches God’s name to it.

Some claim that insisting on Scripture alone puts a limit on the Holy Spirit. That is backward. The Holy Spirit inspired the Scriptures, and He does not lead people away from the truth He gave. Jesus prayed, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth” John 17:17. The Spirit of truth does not reveal one thing in the written Word and then secretly reveal the opposite to someone else. God does not contradict Himself.

The faith was not left unfinished, waiting for modern teachers to complete what Jesus and the apostles supposedly failed to explain. Jude wrote that believers must “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” Jude 3. The church is commanded to contend for the faith already delivered, not chase after new doctrines, secret interpretations, or messages that cannot be found in the text.

Paul’s warning was severe because spiritual deception is serious. He wrote, “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” Galatians 1:8. He repeated it in the next verse: “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” Galatians 1:9. Even an angelic appearance would not be enough to overturn the message already received. A supernatural claim does not outrank Scripture.

This does not mean the Bible has no depth. It means its depth is found by studying what God actually revealed, not by inventing meanings He never placed in the text. Moses wrote, “The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever” Deuteronomy 29:29. God owns the secret things. We are responsible for what He has revealed. Pride begins when a person claims access to truths God has not made known in His Word.

Some also appeal to God writing His law on the heart as though this promises new doctrines or private revelation. Scripture says, “I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts” Hebrews 8:10. The promise concerns God placing His revealed law within His people, not giving individuals authority to announce doctrines that cannot be tested from Scripture. God writes His truth on the heart. He does not turn every private impression into divine revelation.

Even prophetic speech in the early church was not accepted without examination. Paul wrote, “Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” 1 Corinthians 14:29. He also said, “Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” 1 Thessalonians 5:20–21. Testing a claimed prophecy is not unbelief. Refusing to test it is disobedience.

The Bible also warns against private control over the meaning of Scripture. Peter wrote, “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” 2 Peter 1:20. A faithful teacher draws the meaning from the text in its context. A false teacher forces his own ideas into the text and then claims the Spirit revealed them. That is not illumination. It is manipulation.

Scripture is sufficient to teach, correct, and equip God’s people. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” 2 Timothy 3:16–17. If Scripture thoroughly furnishes the man of God, believers are not spiritually incomplete without someone’s hidden message.

The practical response is simple. Stop being impressed by claims of special access to God. Open the Bible. Read the passage in context. Compare Scripture with Scripture. Follow the example of the Bereans, who “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” Acts 17:11. When someone says God gave them a truth that cannot be demonstrated from Scripture, do not bow to their confidence. Test it, expose it, and reject it.

Will you stand on what God has written, or surrender your discernment to someone who claims God told them more?
It is a hollow rant or claim that itself "cannot be shown from scripture."

And the claim that "they are asking you to accept their words as though God Himself had spoken", is a show of ignorance regarding God's established method of speaking through those He has indeed sent, saying such things as "Thus says the Lord", or "Hear the word of the Lord" often without any such confirmation as you would like to demand. But you don't get to make demands.

By this, "you have taken away the key of knowledge" and attempt to "quench the Spirit" by your own devises. Which, as it is written, are nothing new. :( "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
 

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It is a hollow rant or claim that itself "cannot be shown from scripture."

And the claim that "they are asking you to accept their words as though God Himself had spoken", is a show of ignorance regarding God's established method of speaking through those He has indeed sent, saying such things as "Thus says the Lord", or "Hear the word of the Lord" often without any such confirmation as you would like to demand. But you don't get to make demands.

By this, "you have taken away the key of knowledge" and attempt to "quench the Spirit" by your own devises. Which, as it is written, are nothing new. :( "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
You are twisting Scripture to protect your claims from being tested. Jesus’ warning about taking away “the key of knowledge” was directed at lawyers who obscured God’s truth and hindered others from receiving it. Luke 11:52. Telling people to open the Bible and examine every claim is the exact opposite. “The entrance of thy words giveth light” Psalm 119:130.

You also accuse me of “quenching the Spirit,” but you ignored the rest of the passage: Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” 1 Thessalonians 5:19–21

Testing prophetic claims is not quenching the Spirit. God commands us to test them. Paul also said, “Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” 1 Corinthians 14:29. John said, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” 1 John 4:1.

Quoting “Thus saith the Lord” proves nothing by itself. False prophets used God’s name too. God said, “I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied” Jeremiah 23:21.

That is why the Bereans examined even Paul’s preaching by Scripture, and God called them “more noble” for doing it. Acts 17:11. You are not above the examination that an apostle willingly underwent.

I am not taking away knowledge or quenching the Spirit. I am telling people to believe what God has actually written and to test every claim by His Word. You are trying to make biblical examination sound like rebellion against God because you cannot establish your teaching from Scripture.

Stop twisting Scripture to shield yourself from Scripture. You are not the standard. Your private revelations are not the standard. God’s written Word is the standard. Stop calling your private opinions “revelation from God.” The Holy Spirit helps us understand and faithfully teach what God has already revealed. He does not give you permission to add to Scripture, change its meaning, or place your words beside God’s Word. “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar” Proverbs 30:6. If your teaching cannot be shown from Scripture, stop claiming God said it.
 

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It is a hollow rant or claim that itself "cannot be shown from scripture."
In case you missed it, this is what the scripture actually says, not me:
  • God commands us to test every spiritual claim: 1 John 4:1 and 1 Thessalonians 5:19–21.
  • Prophetic claims must be judged: 1 Corinthians 14:29.
  • The Bereans tested even Paul’s teaching by Scripture: Acts 17:11.
  • False prophets claimed to speak for God without being sent: Jeremiah 23:21.
  • God forbids adding to His words: Deuteronomy 4:2 and Proverbs 30:6.
  • God’s Word gives knowledge and understanding: Psalm 119:130.
 

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But... We are supposed to measure what others say!

Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. - 1 Corinthians 14:29

If a man speaks we need some kind of judgement on whether...

1. It came from the flesh
2. It came from the devil
3. It actually came from God

And

1. Whether it is truth
2. Whether it is not of truth

Sometimes people need a tap on the shoulder and told to sit down!
 
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You are twisting Scripture to protect your claims from being tested. Jesus’ warning about taking away “the key of knowledge” was directed at lawyers who obscured God’s truth and hindered others from receiving it. Luke 11:52. Telling people to open the Bible and examine every claim is the exact opposite. “The entrance of thy words giveth light” Psalm 119:130.

You also accuse me of “quenching the Spirit,” but you ignored the rest of the passage: Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” 1 Thessalonians 5:19–21

Testing prophetic claims is not quenching the Spirit. God commands us to test them. Paul also said, “Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” 1 Corinthians 14:29. John said, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” 1 John 4:1.

Quoting “Thus saith the Lord” proves nothing by itself. False prophets used God’s name too. God said, “I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied” Jeremiah 23:21.

That is why the Bereans examined even Paul’s preaching by Scripture, and God called them “more noble” for doing it. Acts 17:11. You are not above the examination that an apostle willingly underwent.

I am not taking away knowledge or quenching the Spirit. I am telling people to believe what God has actually written and to test every claim by His Word. You are trying to make biblical examination sound like rebellion against God because you cannot establish your teaching from Scripture.

Stop twisting Scripture to shield yourself from Scripture. You are not the standard. Your private revelations are not the standard. God’s written Word is the standard. Stop calling your private opinions “revelation from God.” The Holy Spirit helps us understand and faithfully teach what God has already revealed. He does not give you permission to add to Scripture, change its meaning, or place your words beside God’s Word. “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar” Proverbs 30:6. If your teaching cannot be shown from Scripture, stop claiming God said it.
We've been through this all before. But no, you don't have a say, and what you have shall be taken from you. That is how this sort of thing unfolds.
 

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The Bible also warns against private control over the meaning of Scripture. Peter wrote, “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” 2 Peter 1:20. A faithful teacher draws the meaning from the text in its context. A false teacher forces his own ideas into the text and then claims the Spirit revealed them. That is not illumination. It is manipulation.
If you look closely I think you will see this passage concerns the origin of prophecy rather than it's interpretation.

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In case you missed it, this is what the scripture actually says, not me:
  • God commands us to test every spiritual claim: 1 John 4:1 and 1 Thessalonians 5:19–21.
  • Prophetic claims must be judged: 1 Corinthians 14:29.
  • The Bereans tested even Paul’s teaching by Scripture: Acts 17:11.
  • False prophets claimed to speak for God without being sent: Jeremiah 23:21.
  • God forbids adding to His words: Deuteronomy 4:2 and Proverbs 30:6.
  • God’s Word gives knowledge and understanding: Psalm 119:130.
All scripture is true, but used to falsely accuse, they are a curse upon one's own head.

"A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who speaks lies will not escape." Proverbs 19:5​
 

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We've been through this all before. But no, you don't have a say, and what you have shall be taken from you. That is how this sort of thing unfolds.
No, you do not get to declare that God will take something from me simply because I test your claims by Scripture. That is not prophecy. That is presumption.

God said, “The prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak... even that prophet shall die” Deuteronomy 18:20. You are claiming to know how God will personally deal with me, yet you have provided no Scripture showing that God said any such thing about me.

I absolutely do have a say when someone claims to speak for God. Scripture commands believers to “prove all things” 1 Thessalonians 5:21, to “try the spirits” 1 John 4:1, and to judge what prophets say 1 Corinthians 14:29. Your claim that I “do not have a say” directly contradicts those commands.

You still have not answered the Scriptures. Instead, you have replaced biblical evidence with a personal threat dressed up as revelation. That only proves my point. You are not speaking with the authority of God merely because you say you are. “He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory” John 7:18.

Stop pretending your personal pronouncements are the voice of God. Show it from Scripture, or stop saying God said it.
 

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All scripture is true, but used to falsely accuse, they are a curse upon one's own head.

"A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who speaks lies will not escape." Proverbs 19:5​
Proverbs 19:5 condemns a false witness. It does not condemn someone for testing your claims by Scripture. You still have not shown one thing I said that was a lie.

Instead of answering 1 John 4:1, 1 Thessalonians 5:21, 1 Corinthians 14:29, and Acts 17:11, you keep throwing out personal warnings about punishment and curses. That is not answering Scripture. That is avoiding it. Jesus said, “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” John 7:24. Righteous judgment requires truth and evidence, not vague accusations.

Show exactly what I said that was false, and prove it from Scripture.
If you cannot do that, then stop using Bible verses as threats against anyone who tests your teaching. Quoting Scripture does not make your accusation true.
 
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No, you do not get to declare that God will take something from me simply because I test your claims by Scripture. That is not prophecy. That is presumption.

God said, “The prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak... even that prophet shall die” Deuteronomy 18:20. You are claiming to know how God will personally deal with me, yet you have provided no Scripture showing that God said any such thing about me.

I absolutely do have a say when someone claims to speak for God. Scripture commands believers to “prove all things” 1 Thessalonians 5:21, to “try the spirits” 1 John 4:1, and to judge what prophets say 1 Corinthians 14:29. Your claim that I “do not have a say” directly contradicts those commands.

You still have not answered the Scriptures. Instead, you have replaced biblical evidence with a personal threat dressed up as revelation. That only proves my point. You are not speaking with the authority of God merely because you say you are. “He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory” John 7:18.

Stop pretending your personal pronouncements are the voice of God. Show it from Scripture, or stop saying God said it.
You would like to blame what I have said on me. Fine. But you have not done it to me, but to Him who sent me. No matter what reasoning and accusations you can muster.

And why is this happening? Because you yourself made claims.
 

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But... We are supposed to measure what others say!

Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. - 1 Corinthians 14:29

If a man speaks we need some kind of judgement on whether...

1. It came from the flesh
2. It came from the devil
3. It actually came from God

And

1. Whether it is truth
2. Whether it is not of truth

Sometimes people need a tap on the shoulder and told to sit down!
That is exactly what Scripture says. A man does not get to claim that God spoke through him and then tell everyone else they have no right to judge what he said.

“Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” 1 Corinthians 14:29.

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” 1 John 4:1.

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” 1 Thessalonians 5:21.

Whether something came from the flesh, a false spirit, or God must be tested, not blindly accepted. If it contradicts Scripture or cannot be established from Scripture, it has no authority as doctrine or revelation.

And when someone repeatedly speaks presumptuously in God’s name while refusing to have his claims tested, sometimes he does need to be told to sit down and stop speaking for God.
 

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Proverbs 19:5 condemns a false witness. It does not condemn someone for testing your claims by Scripture. You still have not shown one thing I said that was a lie.

Instead of answering 1 John 4:1, 1 Thessalonians 5:21, 1 Corinthians 14:29, and Acts 17:11, you keep throwing out personal warnings about punishment and curses. That is not answering Scripture. That is avoiding it. Jesus said, “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” John 7:24. Righteous judgment requires truth and evidence, not vague accusations.

Show exactly what I said that was false, and prove it from Scripture.
If you cannot do that, then stop using Bible verses as threats against anyone who tests your teaching. Quoting Scripture does not make your accusation true.
If you just posted scripture, there is no lie. But that is not all you have posted, you have posted claims of your own--which we have covered already--and it is you who has taken up the sword and resorted to making accusations...not unlike Paul kicking against the goads. :(
 

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If you just posted scripture, there is no lie. But that is not all you have posted, you have posted claims of your own--which we have covered already--and it is you who has taken up the sword and resorted to making accusations...not unlike Paul kicking against the goads. :(
You still have not identified one statement I made that was false. Saying that we “covered it already” is not evidence. Name the claim, quote it, and prove from Scripture that it is wrong.

And do not compare me testing your claims to Paul “kicking against the goads.” Paul was persecuting Jesus Christ. I am examining a man who claims to speak for God, exactly as Scripture commands. You are not Christ, and questioning you is not resisting Christ.

You say I have taken up the sword, but Scripture calls the Word of God “the sword of the Spirit” Ephesians 6:17. I have used Scripture to test your claims. You are the one who said that what I have “shall be taken” from me and then aimed warnings of judgment at me.

Stop hiding behind vague accusations and misapplied verses. Show exactly what I said that was false and prove it from Scripture. Otherwise, you still have not answered anything.
 
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You still have not identified one statement I made that was false. Saying that we “covered it already” is not evidence. Name the claim, quote it, and prove from Scripture that it is wrong.

And do not compare me testing your claims to Paul “kicking against the goads.” Paul was persecuting Jesus Christ. I am examining a man who claims to speak for God, exactly as Scripture commands. You are not Christ, and questioning you is not resisting Christ.

You say I have taken up the sword, but Scripture calls the Word of God “the sword of the Spirit” Ephesians 6:17. I have used Scripture to test your claims. You are the one who said that what I have “shall be taken” from me and then aimed warnings of judgment at me.

Stop hiding behind vague accusations and misapplied verses. Show exactly what I said that was false and prove it from Scripture. Otherwise, you still have not answered anything.
Look--I am not going to rehash every point. But I have named and identified your false statements when they occur. You not receiving the correction, does not mean I have not stated it--it's all recorded here in print.

Again, you reject the idea--but yes, you are persecuting Christ in me. But you have yet to even know or acknowledge that there are those who do that [as it is written] and that you might be one of them. I get it--nobody likes to hear it. But that doesn't mean you are right, it just means you are human. Meanwhile, you continue to post things in need of correction [also as it is written].

As for using scripture to test my claims--you fail from the get go. You can't just raise up that sword from one side that favors your own issues and think you are doing God's work and performing a godly approved test. And that certainly does not work against God's legitimate ongoing acts with whom He sends out to further His kingdom "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little." Not many of which have historically been received. Go figure. To the contrary, what you are doing is what has divided church communities now for millennia. It's a pattern, and you have fallen right into it--and yes, it is against Christ.
 

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“God revealed something to me that the Bible does not say.”

Yeah that's why and how all the catholics and so called reformed theology people go by false doctrine.


Some claim that insisting on Scripture alone puts a limit on the Holy Spirit.

That's what the devil keep tell people.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)


The Bible also warns against private control over the meaning of Scripture.

Yep. This is what the catholics and so called reformed theology people do
 

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That's what the devil keep tell people.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)
It is also written, "I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." Which is the new covenant...but you have left it out, not giving all truth, but only part.

So, yes, consider "all truth" which comes by the Holy Spirit being poured out upon all flesh by God beginning at Pentecost and unto the end of the age...even well after all that which was written on parchment was written. Of which Christ is firstfruits, receiving all that He preached from the Father directly--not without the scriptures, but not limited to them either--saying that is exactly how He would build His church.
 

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but you have left it out, not giving all truth, but only part.

OK, so here... let me quote the entire Word of God as to not miss anything - CLICK HERE

One has to consider the entire Word of God to get ALL Truth, which you sadly left out.



not without the scriptures, but not limited to them either

There we have it folks... the little lie the devil deceives people with to keep the door open to believing alternatives (lies of the devil) to what God actually said which is the trick the devil used on Adam and Eve.

The slow ones are still falling for the same old trick of the devil today

OK, so I gotta ask... which doctrines do you follow and believe to be "truth" that are not found in the scriptures?