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Every Christian has been given by God "the Gift of Salvation".
If you don't have it, then that explains your bizarre Theology. @faithhopecharity
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Every Christian has been given by God "the Gift of Salvation".
If you don't have it, then that explains your bizarre Theology. @faithhopecharity
must believe everything Christ revealed and the apostolic church teaches per His command mt 28:19
Jn 3:16 1 Jn 5:13 Perpetual faith
mt 3:8 2 cor 7:10 fruits of repentance
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ & bear fruit
Lk 3:9 bear fruit
Lk 1:75 acts 10:35 deeds of righteousness
phil 1:11 fruits of righteousness
mt 26:41 watch and pray
mk 24:48 watch and pray
Lk 21:36 Watch and pray, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.
ps 23:3 leads in paths (deeds) of righteousness acts 10:35
mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life
2 pet 3:18 grow in grace
heb 6:12 faith & patience
heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
rev 2:19 faith, patience, & works
rev 14:12 commandments, patience, & faith
mt 19:17 Jn 14:21 1 cor 7:19 1Jn 3:24 1 Jn 5:2-3 rev 12:17 keep the commandments
eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
mt 10:22 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 endure to the end in patient suffering
heb 6:15 after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
rev 2:10 he who overcomes I shall give the crown of life!
Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)
same term has different meaning!
"eternal life"
Eternal life has two parts:
part one) grace that we receive now in this life with the initial grace of justification which we can increase by good works and lose by sin.
part two) eternal salvation after death, judgment, eternal life in the glories of heaven.
((eternal life refers to grace))
Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
((eternal life refers to eternal salvation))
mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
thks
Salvation was actually revealed as church doctrine by Paul the Apostle., tho it was completed by Jesus on The Cross 2000 yrs ago.
What Paul revealed is that "all who believe in Jesus shall be saved", for as long as God lives.
Salvatoin is easy to receive.....as it only costs the sinner their FAITH........while it Cost God's Son His Blood and Death to make God's Salvation available, as the FREE= "Gift of Salvation".
selective scripture
faith alone?
repentance & conversion Acts 3:19
patience Luke 21:19, Luke 8:15, Romans 5:3-5, Colossians 1:11, 1 Thessalonians 1:3, 2 Thessalonians 1:4, 1 Timothy 6:11, 2 Timothy 3:10,
Titus 2:2, Hebrews 6:12, Hebrews 10:36, James 1:3-4, James 5:10,
2 pet 1:6, rev 14:12
perpetual faith Jn 3:16
confession of Christ before men
mt 10:32
confess rom 10:9-10
diligently seek heb 11:6
confidence heb 10:35
add to faith 2 pet 1:5
faith without charity avails nothing
1 cor 13:2
three are eternal faith, hope, & charity 1 cor 13:13
whole counsel of God
thks
Faith alone IN CHRIST, is the correct answer.
JUSTIFICATION by FAITH...............which means that when you trust in Christ, God accepts your faith to save. you.
And when you try to work to gain heaven, then God rejects your self effort.
Having FAITH IN CHRIST........is what God accepts to accept you., and God will accept nothing else.
Try to understand that Salvation is what GOD OFFERS YOU.........its not what you offer God to try to earn it.
So, when you are posting verses, that are all about works and self effort, you are denying that Salvation is based on THE CROSS of CHRIST.
Im not certain what cult you belong to that has you trying to work your way into heaven.... but im certain you are not going to tell us. @faithhopecharity .
Try to understand that JESUS is your Salvaiton, and you can't do that for yourself.
Reader,
If you are born again and not just water baptized and religious....
= God saved you, not because you were good, but because you were an ungodly sinner who needed to be forgiven and saved.
We all qualify for God's Salvation, because we were all of us ungodly.......and its a fact that Jesus came into the world to save SINNER.. who are UNGODLY.
So, later on, dont pretend that becaue you are always trying to be good, that this is somehow why God would save you and keep you saved.
= Listen....
God saved you, only based on what Jesus did for you by Keeping the Law for you and then dying for your sin on The Cross.
So, its CHRIST's Effort and Work and Purity and SHED BLOOD that God only accepts to accept an ungodly sinner ""while we were yet sinners".
Thereore never become self righteous and try to argue that God saved you and is keeping you saved because of YOUR behavior.
As if you believe that then you are not Trusting in Christ and in fact you dont even yet understand WHY God saved you, and How.
And that is why i wrote this Thread and my last 5 or 10.........as they are for YOU if you are the one im talking to who needs to begin to understand God's Gift of Salvation.
Jesus tells you how it happens, in :
John 14:6.
Now, lets look at Romans 4.
vs 5.... "but to those who do not work , but believeth on Him who Justifies the UNGODLY".
See that?
This is the unGodly (everyone) who has given their faith in Christ, and God has accpted their faith to Save them based on what Christ has finished for us on The Cross...... = vs 5 says,,,,,,"faith is counted (by God) as Righteousness"....
This simply means that an ungodly sinner, while they were yet a sinner, gave God their Faith IN CHRIST, and God eternally accepted that Faith, and gave them, you, and ME. = HIS Righteousness, as "The Gift of Righteousnes"..
And now having been made righteous by God' Gift, this settles for eternity HOW you become and remain RIGHTEOUS before God........and that is "without works or deeds of the Law".
Now, notice this next verse carefully.. Romans 4:6.....Paul teaches,, that God gives you RIGHTEOUSNESS "without works"... <<<<.
Then notice Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge sin against a Believer.........also taught by Paul in 2 Corin 5:19.
So, what are we discovering?
We are discovering that Salvation is God's Righteousness, GIVEN to the UNGODLY SINNER< only because they gave God their FAITH in CHRIST..
And we are discovering that once we have been given God's Righteousness, God never again charges you with SIN.
And Why does God not charge a Born again Believer with sin?
Its because we are "not under the LAW...but under God's Grace".......so, when there is no Law that can judge our Deeds, then God never again charges us with sin........not ever..... = "where there is no LAW......there is no TRANSGRESSION (sin)"""... found.
The born again .. "are not under the Law........but under GRACE".
And if you read Romans 4:7, Paul teaches us that our sins are forgiven and we are """COVERED""....and this means that Christ's Blood will always be our eternal Forgiveness.
So what does all this teach us about our Salvation?
Reader, It teaches us that our WORKS and Moses Law and water baptism and trying to imitate Christ have nothing to do with Why and HOW God accepts you and saves you, and keeps you saved.
If you are born again and not just water baptized and religious....
= God saved you, not because you were good, but because you were an ungodly sinner who needed to be forgiven and saved.
We all qualify for God's Salvation, because we were all of us ungodly.......and its a fact that Jesus came into the world to save SINNER.. who are UNGODLY.
So, later on, dont pretend that becaue you are always trying to be good, that this is somehow why God would save you and keep you saved.
= Listen....
God saved you, only based on what Jesus did for you by Keeping the Law for you and then dying for your sin on The Cross.
So, its CHRIST's Effort and Work and Purity and SHED BLOOD that God only accepts to accept an ungodly sinner ""while we were yet sinners".
Thereore never become self righteous and try to argue that God saved you and is keeping you saved because of YOUR behavior.
As if you believe that then you are not Trusting in Christ and in fact you dont even yet understand WHY God saved you, and How.
And that is why i wrote this Thread and my last 5 or 10.........as they are for YOU if you are the one im talking to who needs to begin to understand God's Gift of Salvation.
Jesus tells you how it happens, in :
John 14:6.
Now, lets look at Romans 4.
vs 5.... "but to those who do not work , but believeth on Him who Justifies the UNGODLY".
See that?
This is the unGodly (everyone) who has given their faith in Christ, and God has accpted their faith to Save them based on what Christ has finished for us on The Cross...... = vs 5 says,,,,,,"faith is counted (by God) as Righteousness"....
This simply means that an ungodly sinner, while they were yet a sinner, gave God their Faith IN CHRIST, and God eternally accepted that Faith, and gave them, you, and ME. = HIS Righteousness, as "The Gift of Righteousnes"..
And now having been made righteous by God' Gift, this settles for eternity HOW you become and remain RIGHTEOUS before God........and that is "without works or deeds of the Law".
Now, notice this next verse carefully.. Romans 4:6.....Paul teaches,, that God gives you RIGHTEOUSNESS "without works"... <<<<.
Then notice Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge sin against a Believer.........also taught by Paul in 2 Corin 5:19.
So, what are we discovering?
We are discovering that Salvation is God's Righteousness, GIVEN to the UNGODLY SINNER< only because they gave God their FAITH in CHRIST..
And we are discovering that once we have been given God's Righteousness, God never again charges you with SIN.
And Why does God not charge a Born again Believer with sin?
Its because we are "not under the LAW...but under God's Grace".......so, when there is no Law that can judge our Deeds, then God never again charges us with sin........not ever..... = "where there is no LAW......there is no TRANSGRESSION (sin)"""... found.
The born again .. "are not under the Law........but under GRACE".
And if you read Romans 4:7, Paul teaches us that our sins are forgiven and we are """COVERED""....and this means that Christ's Blood will always be our eternal Forgiveness.
So what does all this teach us about our Salvation?
Reader, It teaches us that our WORKS and Moses Law and water baptism and trying to imitate Christ have nothing to do with Why and HOW God accepts you and saves you, and keeps you saved.
Reader,
if you are coming into the revelation of Salvation, then let me show you what "working out your salvation" actually means.
A.) It means to recognize and comprehend that you already HAVE God's Salvation, and now you are to learn how to exit within it as God wants you to understand it.
Now, to work our your Salvation, is to find out How God completed it and offers it. And then once you get this into your inner man, once yu get the revelation, the enlightenment, then you hold on and never let it go.
And what is that Revelation?
Its that God's Salvation was completed by Jesus on The Cross, 2000 yrs ago, and He's been giving it to "all who will believe" as "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory" for the last 2000 yrs.
And what is that?
Reader, its what a Preacher of God's New Covenent that is Jesus's Shed Blood, will tell you is a "Divine Exchange".
Its that Place where God and sinner become ONE throught Christ for as long as God lives.
Roman's 4 says this.........
"Abraham BELIEVED GOD.........an it (His faith in Christ) was (counted by God) as Christ's RIGHTEOUSNESS" given to him..."imputed righteousness".
So, we see that this is How we receive "The Gift of Righteousness" from God today.......and "not by works, but according to God's MERCY He saves us" by giving us "imputed righteousness..
And so what is the KEY that unlocks the understanding ?
You simply need to realized that you have to be EQUAL to GOD in Righteousness, to belong to God forever.
To go to Heaven, you have to be equal to God's Righteousness.....and that means God has to GIVE IT TO YOU, as "the Gift of righteousness".......because you have BELIEVED...... = our "FAITH is counted by God as (Christ's) righteousness"...
And therefore, God has created JESUS AS THE WAY. John 14:6... that you may RECEIVE "God's Gift of Righteousness" and thereby become eternally joined to God by being "born again" by the Holy Spirit....... and this means that you've become "THE Righteousness of God...IN CHRIST", and that is an ETERNAL BIRTH that places you within the Kingdom of God as "One with God", "in Christ"... "seated in Heavenly places".
Now, when you realize that you can't do that by being good enough, or giving enough or by trying to work hard enough, as all that leads to is..."that which i want to do i can't and that which i hate, that i do"...(as Paul teaches in Romans 7)... then you have realized God's Salvation is no of yourself, its :JESUS and the born again are "IN CHRIST".....,=then you have "worked it out" in your UNDERSTANDING., and that's how you "work out your Salvation".. in AWE and Wonder. As isn't God's "Gift of Salvation" that is God's "Gift of Righteousess" given to a believing SINNER = the most Awesome wonder of all,..... as that is your Eternal SALVATION as found "in Christ".
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if you are coming into the revelation of Salvation, then let me show you what "working out your salvation" actually means.
A.) It means to recognize and comprehend that you already HAVE God's Salvation, and now you are to learn how to exit within it as God wants you to understand it.
Now, to work our your Salvation, is to find out How God completed it and offers it. And then once you get this into your inner man, once yu get the revelation, the enlightenment, then you hold on and never let it go.
And what is that Revelation?
Its that God's Salvation was completed by Jesus on The Cross, 2000 yrs ago, and He's been giving it to "all who will believe" as "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory" for the last 2000 yrs.
And what is that?
Reader, its what a Preacher of God's New Covenent that is Jesus's Shed Blood, will tell you is a "Divine Exchange".
Its that Place where God and sinner become ONE throught Christ for as long as God lives.
Roman's 4 says this.........
"Abraham BELIEVED GOD.........an it (His faith in Christ) was (counted by God) as Christ's RIGHTEOUSNESS" given to him..."imputed righteousness".
So, we see that this is How we receive "The Gift of Righteousness" from God today.......and "not by works, but according to God's MERCY He saves us" by giving us "imputed righteousness..
And so what is the KEY that unlocks the understanding ?
You simply need to realized that you have to be EQUAL to GOD in Righteousness, to belong to God forever.
To go to Heaven, you have to be equal to God's Righteousness.....and that means God has to GIVE IT TO YOU, as "the Gift of righteousness".......because you have BELIEVED...... = our "FAITH is counted by God as (Christ's) righteousness"...
And therefore, God has created JESUS AS THE WAY. John 14:6... that you may RECEIVE "God's Gift of Righteousness" and thereby become eternally joined to God by being "born again" by the Holy Spirit....... and this means that you've become "THE Righteousness of God...IN CHRIST", and that is an ETERNAL BIRTH that places you within the Kingdom of God as "One with God", "in Christ"... "seated in Heavenly places".
Now, when you realize that you can't do that by being good enough, or giving enough or by trying to work hard enough, as all that leads to is..."that which i want to do i can't and that which i hate, that i do"...(as Paul teaches in Romans 7)... then you have realized God's Salvation is no of yourself, its :JESUS and the born again are "IN CHRIST".....,=then you have "worked it out" in your UNDERSTANDING., and that's how you "work out your Salvation".. in AWE and Wonder. As isn't God's "Gift of Salvation" that is God's "Gift of Righteousess" given to a believing SINNER = the most Awesome wonder of all,..... as that is your Eternal SALVATION as found "in Christ".
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1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. (grace)
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. (grace)
1 Jn 1:6-7
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1) we do not have eternal salvation
Mk 10:30 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 rev 2:10
2) we have the grace of justification
3) grace can be increased by good works mt 7:7 mt 7:14 mt 26:41
2 pet 3:18
4) grace enables good works
Jn 15:4
2 cor 12:9
Romans 1:5
Colossians 1:6
5) grace can be lost by deadly sin
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)
We have union by grace not eternal salvation!
Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Jn 10:10 life and life more abundantly
thks
By the grace of justification received by faith and baptism we have union with God thru Christ, in the communion of saints, empowered by grace and life in the spirit to attain to eternal salvation on glory!
1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. (grace)
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. (grace)
1 Jn 1:6-7
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1) we do not have eternal salvation
Mk 10:30 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 rev 2:10
2) we have the grace of justification
3) grace can be increased by good works mt 7:7 mt 7:14 mt 26:41
2 pet 3:18
4) grace enables good works
Jn 15:4
2 cor 12:9
Romans 1:5
Colossians 1:6
5) grace can be lost by deadly sin
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)
We have union by grace not eternal salvation!
Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Jn 10:10 life and life more abundantly
thks
justification is a free gift
we must participate in salvation
Romans 2:6-7
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)
thks
Romans 2:6-7
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
thks
patience is a christian virtue and works! a "perfect work"!
Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)
Luke 21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luke 8:15
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Romans 5:3-5
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 and hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
2 Thessalonians 1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
2 Timothy 3:10
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
Titus 2:2
That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
James 5:10
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
2 Peter 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (rev 12:17)
thks
we are accepted "with Him" in works of righteousness after justification
acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
thks
Union with God & His saints in Christ by the grace of justification by baptism with the infused supernatural virtues of faith, hope, & charity, sanctifying grace and the Holy Spirit.
Jn 15:5 apart from Christ?
NOTHING!
phil 4:13 Union with Christ?
ALL THINGS!
thks
It's Jesus who say to us:
Luke 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luke 14:26-27
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannotbe my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
thks
Yes, you do seem to make salvation complicated.
Perhaps you can present your salvation check list.
Union with God does not happen at WATER BAPTISM.
So, that is the Mary CULT Theology that you are teaching @faithhopecharity .
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