God Commands Righteous Violence

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PS95

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I watched your video @Wrangler - but He didn't say anything about Vlad.
I have no problem with defending others who are committing a violent act against another--- It's our duty to love one another.
Hopefully, we can do that with a clean shot to the kneecap, and maybe he can come to know the Lord in prison ministry. We absolutely are to stop it if we can. Not a question.
but crazed ole Vlad?-- no-- that's is a very different topic. I'm not sure why you conflated the two.
 

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I watched your video @Wrangler - but He didn't say anything about Vlad.
I’m glad you watched the vid
I'm not sure why you conflated the two.

Another thread is what motivated this one. Below is the Vlad vid.


I have no problem with defending others who are committing a violent act against another--- It's our duty to love one another.
Hopefully, we can do that with a clean shot to the kneecap, and maybe he can come to know the Lord in prison ministry
Affirmative self defense requires no jail time. What are you talking about?
 

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“In the prison of Gherla, a Christian named Grecu was sentenced to be beaten to death. The process lasted a few weeks, during which he was beaten very slowly. … until he eventually died under this slow, repeated beating. One who led this torture was a member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, whose name was Reck.

During the beatings, Reck said something to Grecu that the Communists often said to Chritians, ‘You know, I am God. I have power of life and death over you. The one who is in heaven cannot decide to keep you in life. Everything depends upon me. If I wish, you live. If I wish, you are killed. I am God!’ So he mocked the Christian.

Brother Grecu, in this horrible situation, gave Reck a very interesting answer, which I heard afterward from Reck himself. He said, ‘You don’t know what a deep thing you have said. Every caterpillar is in reality a butterfly, if he develops rightly. You have not been created to be a torturer, a man who kills. You have been created to become like God, with the life of the Godhead in your heart. Many who have been persecutors like you, have come to realize - like the apostle Paul - that it is shameful for a man to commit atrocities, that they can do much better things. So they have become partakers of the divine nature. Jesus said to the Jews of His time, ‘You are gods.’ Believe me, Mr. Reck, your real calling is to be Godlike - to have the character of God, not a torturer.’

At that moment, Reck did not pay much attention to the words of his victim, as Saul of Tarsus did not pay attention to the beautiful witness of Stephen being killed in his presence. But those words worked in his heart. And Reck later understood that this was his real calling.”

(Richard Wurmbrand, Tortured for Christ, pp. 43-44)

“Your real calling is to be Godlike - to have the character of God, not a torturer.”

God isn’t a torturer. Vlad was; he had the character of Satan.
 

Matthias

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Torture is an atrocity. A torturer, a committer of an atrocity, is an unbeliever.

The mindset of a torturer -> “Jesus lied.”
 

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I’m glad you watched the vid


Another thread is what motivated this one. Below is the Vlad vid.



Affirmative self defense requires no jail time. What are you talking about?
jail time was for the attacker. no need to kill- just stop them. - defend someone.
 

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“The prohibition of torture is a bedrock principle of international law. Torture, as well as cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment, is banned at all times, in all places, including in times of war. No national emergency, however dire, ever justifies its use. No one may ever be returned to a place where they would face torture. Many countries and armed groups nonetheless have engaged in torture. Human Rights Watch documents the use of torture all over the world. We are committed to pressing government authorities to act to prevent torture, as well as bringing those who engage in torture to justice. We also work to ensure that victims of torture obtain redress, including an enforceable right to fair and adequate compensation, and full rehabilitation.”


Human Rights Watch didn’t exist in the 15th century. The Church at all times should speak against the practice of torture. Church history shows us that it hasn’t.

No follower of Jesus should ever participate in torturing people, celebrate the torture of people, or encourage the torture of people. Any Christian who has needs to repent.
 

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“Torture is how you create enemies, not how you defeat them.”

I remembered this quote but couldn’t place it.

AI Overview -

“That statement - originally made by Barack Obama during a speech on October 4, 2007. - highlights a major consensus among military, intelligence, and ethics experts regarding the strategic failures of torture.

The use of torture consistently undermines long-term security through several key mechanisms:

Radicalization and Recruitment

• Fueling insurgency: Documented abuse creates powerful propaganda for adversarial groups.

• Inspiring retaliation: It shifts local populations from neutral observers to active combatants.

• Poisoning peace: According to the International Committee of the Red Cross, treating captives inhumanely plants deep-seated hatred that ruins diplomatic solutions.

Faulty Intelligence

• Fabricated information: Captives will say anything to make the physical or psychological pain stop.

• Wasted resources: Pursuing false leads generated under duress actively derails real security operations.

• Superior alternatives: Experts note that rapport-building and strategic law enforcement produce far more reliable intelligence.

Loss of Moral Authority

• Damaged alliances: Violating human rights alienates international allies who refuse to cooperate with abusive regimes.

• Eroding legal standards: Bypassing domestic laws and international treaties, like the Geneva Conventions, weakens the overall rule of law.

• Degrading institutions: It fundamentally damages the moral standing and long-term reputation of the nation practicing it.”

Torture is a tool of the devil.