What does it mean to be "born again"?

[BreadOfLife]

You start with a fraudulent source (Barnabas) and end with a heretical Catholic (Augustine) and expected me to take you serious?
Be gone little one.
Pfffftt

That’s a pretty pathetic dodge.
And, I’m not going anywhere until YOU present an argument for each verse and quote that you said don’t exist . . .

Ummm – I gave you NINE Biblical verses and ELEVEN other Early Church quotes.
As for your rejection of the other 2 quotes - please present a cogent argument for these idiotic claims.

You see, unlike YOU – I provide actual Biblical and Historical evidence for my arguments and NOT just silly opinions . . .

I'll wait righ heree for your response.

 

[JimKnox]

You did it also.
All ya'll seem to think the RCC is the ONLY organization that existed in the first few centuries of the Christian era.
Granted: they are about the only ones who wrote anything; safely secure in their monasteries.
However, The True church of the living God NEVER believed nor taught that baptismal regeneration is how we are regenerated.

And for those who rip verses out of context....pfffttt!

 

[Armour of God]

That’s a pretty pathetic dodge.
And, I’m not going anywhere until YOU present an argument for each verse and quote that you said don’t exist . . .

Ummm – I gave you NINE Biblical verses and ELEVEN other Early Church quotes.
As for your rejection of the other 2 quotes - please present a cogent argument for these idiotic claims.

You see, unlike YOU – I provide actual Biblical and Historical evidence for my arguments and NOT just silly opinions . . .

I'll wait righ heree for your response.

I've been through this with him already.
He has nothing but hatred and scorn.
Thanks for shinning the light of truth.
God bless

 

[JimKnox]

I've been through this with him already.
He has nothing but hatred and scorn.
Thanks for shinning the light of truth.
God bless

"Hatred and scorn" for disagreeing with you?
"Hatred and scorn"???
Ok. By your own logic, since you disagree with me then all you have is Hatred and scorn for me and the millions who reject baptismal regeneration.
Works both ways, pal.

John 3:36
All we need is belief in Christ and we HAVE eternal life.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I've been through this with him already.
He has nothing but hatred and scorn.
Thanks for shinning the light of truth.
God bless

Thanks.

It always help when heretics and liars are exposed by more than one person.

 

[BreadOfLife]

"Hatred and scorn" for disagreeing with you?
"Hatred and scorn"???
Ok. By your own logic, since you disagree with me then all you have is Hatred and scorn for me and the millions who reject baptismal regeneration.
Works both ways, pal.

John 3:36
All we need is belief in Christ and we HAVE eternal life.

And what is true Christian "belief", according to the Bible?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You did it also.

Did what??

All ya'll seem to think the RCC is the ONLY organization that existed in the first few centuries of the Christian era.
Granted: they are about the only ones who wrote anything; safely secure in their monasteries.

WRONG.

Nobody has said that the Catholic Church is the “only organization” that existed in the first few centuries of the Christian era.

However, it IS the Church established by Jesus Christ and Hisa Apostles.
PROVE me wrong . . .

However, The True church of the living God NEVER believed nor taught that baptismal regeneration is how we are regenerated.

And for those who rip verses out of context....pfffttt!

Ummm, I ‘ve already educated you – You’ve been presented with NO LESS than NINE Scriptural examples of Baptismal Regeneration.

Please debunk those verses and show me how they were “ripped out” of context . . .

 

[JimKnox]

Baptismal regeneration is heresy.

 

[JimKnox]

And what is true Christian "belief", according to the Bible?

Read the Scripture I gave you.
Heretics born of the RCC are as wicked as their Mother. The Mother of Harlots.

 

[JimKnox]

Did what??

WRONG.

Nobody has said that the Catholic Church is the “only organization” that existed in the first few centuries of the Christian era.

However, it IS the Church established by Jesus Christ and Hisa Apostles.
PROVE me wrong . . .

Ummm, I ‘ve already educated you – You’ve been presented with NO LESS than NINE Scriptural examples of Baptismal Regeneration.

Please debunk those verses and show me how they were “ripped out” of context . . .

I already debunked them.
John 3:36

 

[BreadOfLife]

I already debunked them.
John 3:36

WRONG again.
You posted a verse of Scripture - NOT a "debunking" of my NINE verses. Scripture doesn't debunk itself.

And in post #226 - I asked you to tell me what true Christian "belief" is according to the Bible?
Waiting for an answer . . .

 

[Armour of God]

"Hatred and scorn" for disagreeing with you?
"Hatred and scorn"???
Ok. By your own logic, since you disagree with me then all you have is Hatred and scorn for me and the millions who reject baptismal regeneration.
Works both ways, pal.

John 3:36
All we need is belief in Christ and we HAVE eternal life.

Disagreement is fine but you displayed hatred towards your fellow Christians, the Catholics, and you've used personal attacks and slander.
That's not Christ like, my friend.
I never slandered you or showed any kind of hatred towards anyone.

God bless

 

[Armour of God]

Read the Scripture I gave you.
Heretics born of the RCC are as wicked as their Mother. The Mother of Harlots.

See there you go again with your slander and hatred. Calling people and the RCC names like heretics and harlots. It's an ad hominem, an invalid argument. Choosing to attack a person's character because you cannot attack their argument.

I already debunked them.
John 3:36

That doesn't debunk anything, it doesn't say you don't need baptism. Please show me where it says baptism is not required.

@BreadOfLife and I have posted several bible verses supporting baptism. You have failed to show any verses to say baptism is not required. You haven't debunked anything but your own modern belief.

He and I have also provided proof that the early church believed in baptism and again, you've provided no proof to the contrary.

Back to sleep for me

 

[JimKnox]

WRONG again.
You posted a verse of Scripture - NOT a "debunking" of my NINE verses. Scripture doesn't debunk itself.

And in post #226 - I asked you to tell me what true Christian "belief" is according to the Bible?
Waiting for an answer . . .

If you are going to reject the PLAIN Scripture in John 3:36 then I can't help you.

 

[JimKnox]

The RCC IS heretical.
To say it isn't is to prove that YOU are also a heretic.
Scripture gives plain directions on how to handle a heretic and I have given you MORE than 2 chances.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition, reject.
See ya, I wouldn't wanna be ya on judgment day.
This is NOT ad hominem, it is plain Scripture.

 

[JimKnox]

Buh bye...

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you are going to reject the PLAIN Scripture in John 3:36 then I can't help you.

Sounds like a massive COP-OUT to me . . .

Oh, I don't reject ANY part of John 3:36.
I simply asked YOU to provide the Biblical definition of "believe" means for a follower of Christ.

CAN you do that??
Can you explain what it means to believe??

 

[Armour of God]

If you are going to reject the PLAIN Scripture in John 3:36 then I can't help you.

You provided just one verse and it doesn't explicitly say baptism is not required

We've provided about 10 verses, all explicitly support baptism. This is what the modern interpretation ignores and dismisses for no good reason.

Mark 1:8
I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

Acts 1:5
5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

Romans 6:3-4
3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Mark 16:16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Acts 19:5-6
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Mark 1:10
10 Just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove

Can you please explain why so many verses are explicitly supporting baptism?

The RCC IS heretical.
To say it isn't is to prove that YOU are also a heretic.

And again resorting to your cheap hate and slander. Calling people names because they disagree with you. That's all you've got. Your embarrassing yourself and the whole modern interpretation

 

[BreadOfLife]

The RCC IS heretical.

First of all – using the term “RCC” to describe the Catholic Church simply exposes your ignorance.

The Catholic Church is comprised of over 20 Rites. These include the Melkite, Byzantine, Maronite, Coptic, Latin (Roman), to name a few. Referring to the entire Catholic Church as the “Roman” Catholic Church (RCC) is an exercise in abject ignorance. The official name of the Catholic Church is . . . The "Catholic Church.”

To say it isn't is to prove that YOU are also a heretic.

How have you “proven” that I am a heretic?? Because I asked you to explain yourself and you refused?
That makes ME a heretic??

Scripture gives plain directions on how to handle a heretic and I have given you MORE than 2 chances.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition, reject.
See ya, I wouldn't wanna be ya on judgment day.
This is NOT ad hominem, it is plain Scripture.

Scripture ALSO commands us to EXPLAIN ourselves (1 Pet. 3:15) when asked.
So, please explain just HOW the Church that was established and built by Jesus and His Apostles is “heretical”.

Two last questions –
Do YOU believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God?
If so, WHY do you believe this?

I anxiously await your well-researched answers . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

When I was born again, I knew my sins had been forgiven and washed away by the Lord Jesus Christ. Born of the Spirit is having the indwelling Holy Spirit. I think born of water is when we are first born out of our mother's womb.

Plainly speaking, it wouldn’t make any sense for Jesus to say:

John 3:16
“Unless a man is born of HIS MOTHER and the spirit - he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.”

EVERYONE is born of their mother. Jesus is talking about the regenerative healing of Baptism.

Instead, He says:
“Unless a man is born of WATER and the spirit - he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.”

Otherwise, He wouldn’t have bothered to mention water in reference to natural birth. He can ONLY be referring to Baptism here. Remember Acts 2:38, where Peter assures the crowd that the Holy Spirit is conferred upon us by being Baptized.
This is why Peter uses the example of Noah and his family being SAVED in the Ark - THOUGH water.
He goes on to say:

1 Pet. 3:21
“… and this water symbolizes baptism that now SAVES you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ”

The Early Church baptized IFNANTS and children because of this - and that this was practiced and taught by the Apostles:

Irenaeus
"He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: INFANTS, and CHILDREN, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . .
(Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).

Hippolytus
"Baptize first the CHILDREN, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them" (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D. 215]).

Origen
"The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to INFANTS. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of the divine sacraments, knew there are in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit" (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]).

Cyprian of Carthage
"As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one SHOULD BE BAPTIZED AND SANCTIFIED WITHIN THE EIGHTH DAY AFTER HIS BIRTH. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born" (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

Gregory of Nazianz
"Do you have an infant child? Allow sin no opportunity; rather, let the INFANT be sanctified from childhood!" (Oration on Holy Baptism 40:7 [A.D. 388]).

John Chrysostom
For this reason we baptize even INFANTS, though they are not defiled by [personal] sins, so that there may be given to them holiness, righteousness, adoption, inheritance, brotherhood with Christ, and that they may be his [Christ’s] members" (Baptismal Catecheses in Augustine, Against Julian 1:6:21 [A.D. 388]).

Augustine
Since others respond for children, so that the celebration of the sacrament may be complete for them, it is certainly availing to them for their consecration, because they themselves are not able to respond" (On Baptism, Against the Donatists 4:24:31 [A.D. 400]).

"The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned, nor is it to be regarded in any way as superfluous, nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic" (The Literal Interpretation of Genesis 10:23:39 [A.D. 408]).