Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

[CrowCross]

endure patiently the great tribulation that cometh

That's not "saved during the tribulation".

It's saved before the tribulation that cometh.

Sorry. I don't see it.

 

[CrowCross]

All of the evidence "say so".

Tell that to an old lady.

 

[covenantee]

Sorry. I don't see it.

That's OK. Leave it for those who do.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

t doesn't matter....Jesus didn't leave in the symbolic way in which He returns. I just pointed that out in the above post.

It does matter. He is not going to literally return riding a white horse with a literal sword coming out of His mouth, so you can't say that Revelation 19:11-21 can't be referring to the same thing as Acts 1:11. The manner in which He ascended to heaven was visibly and bodily and that is the manner in which He will descend from heaven, also.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You still miss the point....even if Jesus returns in this symbolic way...Jesus didn't leave in this symbolic way.

Jesus left not riding a white horse and with no symbolism.

This is a ridiculous way of interpreting scripture. Acts 1:11 says He will return literally from heaven in the literal like manner as He literally ascended there. That His ascension was not described with symbolism in Acts 1:9-11 is irrelevant.

 

[CrowCross]

It does matter. He is not going to literally return riding a white horse with a literal sword coming out of His mouth, so you can't say that Revelation 19:11-21 can't be referring to the same thing as Acts 1:11. The manner in which He ascended to heaven was visibly and bodily and that is the manner in which He will descend from heaven, also.

The description in Rev 19 Doesn't match Acts 1 or 1 Thes 4:16

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The description in Rev 19 Doesn't match Acts 1 or 1 Thes 4:16

The description of Acts 1 doesn't exactly match 1 Thessalonians 4:16, either. This is not how to interpret scripture. Each passage that refers to the one and only future second coming of Christ from heaven contains varying levels of detail regarding that event. With the way you interpret scripture we should expect Jesus to come from heaven at least 10 times in the future.

 

[CrowCross]

The description of Acts 1 doesn't exactly match 1 Thessalonians 4:16, either. This is not how to interpret scripture. Each passage that refers to the one and only future second coming of Christ from heaven contains varying levels of detail regarding that event. With the way you interpret scripture we should expect Jesus to come from heaven at least 10 times in the future.

Really???? OK, if you say so.

Go to this post earlier on in the thread.

Why are the pictures presented differently?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Really????

Do I come across as someone who doesn't say what he means?

OK, if you say so.

I do say so and you should listen to me because you need help understanding scripture.

Really???? OK, if you say so.

Go to this post earlier on in the thread.

Why are the pictures presented differently?

There is no reason to try to compare every detail of each passage. In Acts 1:11 it is just pointed out that one aspect of His second coming would match one aspect of His ascension, which is that He will descend from heaven in like manner as He ascended there. The manner in which He ascended was visibly and bodily and He will descend from heaven visibly and bodily. That doesn't mean every other detail of His ascension has to exactly match every single detail of His second coming. By interpreting scripture in this way, you should believe that Jesus will return at least around 10 times because interpreting scripture the way you do makes it impossible to relate any two verses or passages directly to each other.

 

[CrowCross]

Do I come across as someone who doesn't say what he means?


I do say so and you should listen to me because you need help understanding scripture.


There is no reason to try to compare every detail of each passage. In Acts 1:11 it is just pointed out that one aspect of His second coming would match one aspect of His ascension, which is that He will descend from heaven in like manner as He ascended there. The manner in which He ascended was visibly and bodily and He will descend from heaven visibly and bodily. That doesn't mean every other detail of His ascension has to exactly match every single detail of His second coming. By interpreting scripture in this way, you should believe that Jesus will return at least around 10 times because interpreting scripture the way you do makes it impossible to relate any two verses or passages directly to each other.

Did you look at the pictures?

I say you didn't which means to me you are someone who come across as someone who doesn't say what he means

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Did you look at the pictures?

How do you ever relate any two verses or passages directly together when you are requiring that they contain the exact same details in order to be related? Your approach to interpreting scripture is ridiculous. Do you ever ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7) or do you just stick to your flawed man-made methods of interpreting scripture?

I say you didn't which means to me you are someone who come across as someone who doesn't say what he means

Stop your lies. In no way, shape or form have I done or said anything to warrant this false accusation.

 

[covenantee]

The majority of Jews today still REJECT... Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ-Messiah.

Anyone with common sense then knows the Daniel 9 seventy weeks prophecy given specifically to Daniel's people the Jews, and to Jerusalem, has still NOT YET been completed.

Scripture is clear that only a remnant will be saved. Isaiah 10:22; Romans 9:27.

That's not a majority. The majority will not be saved.

So why are you talking about "The majority of Jews today"?