Flat Earth Theory

[doctrox]

If the earth is FLAT, why can't the North pole see ALL the stars that are visible from the equator ? :)

The sun and stars are close to the earth, within the firmament, not "millions of miles away." Thus, their light is localized.

And the sun moves, not the earth (causing what is known as day and night).

 

[PeterAndroz]

The sun and stars are close to the earth, within the firmament. Thus, their light is localized.

And the sun moves, not the earth (causing what is known as day and night).

Approx, how far is the sun from the earth and what size is it ?

 

[doctrox]

Approx, how far is the sun from the earth and what size is it ?

Under the firmament and generally,
Altitude: Around 3,000 (or less) miles high, moving in a circular path above the plane.
Diameter: Around 30 to 32 miles wide.
Behavior: Operates like a directional lamp to illuminate only specific sections of the world at a time, creating day and night through its movement.

So-called man's science vs. God. Those who pray, discern. Those who do not pray, do not discern.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Under the firmament and generally,
Altitude: Around 3,000 (or less) miles high, moving in a circular path above the plane.
Diameter: Around 30 to 32 miles wide.
Behavior: Operates like a directional lamp to illuminate only specific sections of the world at a time, creating day and night through its movement.

Why is an object 0.53% heavier at the North pole compared to the equator ?

 

[doctrox]

Why is an object 0.53% heavier at the North pole compared to the equator ?

Says who?

"Gravity" is merely an unproven theory.

"Gravity is described by a general theory of relativity, proposed by Albert Einstein [an unbeliever] in 1915.

...for most applications, gravity is sufficiently well approximated by Newton's [a Freemason] theory of gravitation, which describes gravity as an attractive force between any two bodies" - wikipedia

 

[PeterAndroz]

Under the firmament and generally,
Altitude: Around 3,000 (or less) miles high, moving in a circular path above the plane.
Diameter: Around 30 to 32 miles wide.
Behavior: Operates like a directional lamp to illuminate only specific sections of the world at a time, creating day and night through its movement.

So-called man's science vs. God. Those who pray, discern. Those who do not pray, do not discern.

To be fair :)
What verses in the Bible teach or imply :-
Around 3000 miles high
Around 32 miles in diameter
If no verses, how were those dimensions calculated ?

 

[doctrox]

What verses in the Bible teach or imply :-
Around 3000 miles high
Around 32 miles in diameter

The only way to learn the truth is to be in the truth. I recommend first asking God about the firmament. There are some relevant passages here to get you started. And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Godspeed!

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[PeterAndroz]

The only way to learn the truth is to be in the truth. And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. I recommend first asking God about the firmament. There are some relevant passages here to get you started. Godspeed!

You obviously have, so help us who are not as well versed & experienced as you are.
What verses where revealed to you that teaches the sun is :_
- Around 3000 miles high
- Around 32 miles in diameter

 

[doctrox]

You obviously have, so help us who are not as well versed & experienced as you are.

I just did. Have you prayed about it?

 

[ScottA]

Where and how did God say to you: "curvature of the earth" ???

I referred to it again in the post you were just quoting. Here it is again:

I gave witness to in a previous post.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I just did. Have you prayed about it?

Please simply list the verses then
eg Gen 1:1

 

[Biblica]

There is no evidence that the bible talks about "flat" earth (and all the ridiculous pictures of it, like a flat disc floating in space); so we shouldn't conclude something it does not positively affirm. However, it certainly contradicts our modern understanding of it. So all we know is that according to the bible and it's non-metaphorical descriptions of the creation of the world (which Genesis 1 is without a doubt) there are waters above the sky, and daylight is not effect of the sun. There is no evidence in the bible for space, planets etc., that's all modern secular science/philosophy, foreign to biblical revelation.

So if you try to prove that the bible confirms modern science, or that the bible affirms the flat-disc-floating-in-space reality, you put yourself into a lot of trouble. Let's stick to clear revelation and not get trapped. Both modern science and the flat earth idea are secular.

You said "There is no evidence in the Bible for space, planets." You haven't read this. - 2Ki 23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.

 

[Biblica]

Yes which again confirms a spherical earth
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I think a flat earther would say that is because the sun is just illuminating that side of the planet as it circles around it.

 

[doctrox]

Please simply list the verses then
eg Gen 1:1

I did.

2Ki 23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.

planets = constellations (melt, flow, stream, flood - in the sense of raining).

 

[Biblica]

I did.


planets = constellations (melt, flow, stream, flood - in the sense of raining).

In the context of the verse it is referring to the literal planets. The ancient Hebrews had knowledge of astronomy and the planets.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I think a flat earther would say that is because the sun is just illuminating that side of the planet as it circles around it.

I'm happy to discuss & try and find out why they believe the earth is flat but so far, nothing except for diversions or answers that simply make no sense at all.

 

[Biblica]

I'm happy to discuss & try and find out why they believe the earth is flat but so far, nothing except for diversions or answers that simply make no sense at all.

The major problem for me is why so many objects can be seen beyond what they say can be seen on a globe. It could be that the planet is much bigger than what they say? I have no problem seeing the earth as the oblate spheroid. If it is flat, it would have to be on the top of the spheroid. If it was seen as a "disk with upturned edges" as Piccard said, then it would have be he saw it looking down at the flat part on the top of the spheroid. I don't know what the "up turned edges" he saw surrounding it would be. Flat earthers say it is the ice wall that circles the planet.

 

[doctrox]

There is no evidence in the bible for space, planets etc., that's all modern secular science/philosophy, foreign to biblical revelation.

Yes @"modern".

In the context of the verse it is referring to the literal planets. The ancient Hebrews had knowledge of astronomy and the planets.

Today's version of "planets" is not the scriptural def of "planets".
planets = wandering stars.

And it's not the Hebrews' "knowledge of astronomy" but the idolatry of astrology that is being exposed in that passage.

 

[ScottA]

No one claims to know exactly what the moon is. According to Genesis, it's a light in the sky. All the physics you apply to it are rooted in the secular science that teaches about the very system we are debating. You can't presuppose that system. That's a fallacy: circular reasoning.

You do bring up a good point...but first, no, it is not only secular science that teaches a global earth.

But--your good point! Indeed, scripture teaches the Moon is a "light." But also that it "rules the night" or darkness--which ought to make one's spiritual hairs stand up. (Whoever has an ear, let him hear.)

What then, is the source of the light of the Moon? Or perhaps I should ask, What is the Source of the light of the Moon?

It is but a reflection--not its own--but one projected as if its own--falsely. "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face" (1 Corinthians 13:12a).

 

[ScottA]

But He did say that He Sits over the circle of the earth - Isaiah 40:22

Only metaphorically. The same is true of other words like "above", etc.