(The Beast) & (The Two Witnesses) Will Be On This Earth Together For 3.5 Years (Then Cometh The End)

[Truth7t7]

Truth7t7 says:
<I disagree>
(1000-year reign)

Bible says:
<reign with Christ 1000 years>
(Revelation 20:4)

Yes I Disagree With Your Claim Of A Literal Future 1,000 Year Kingdm on This Earth At The Return Of Jesus Christ

Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement Dissolving This Earth By Fire (The End)

 

[ewq1938]

Yes I Disagree With Your Claim Of A Literal Future 1,000 Year Kingdm on This Earth At The Return Of Jesus Christ

Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement Dissolving This Earth By Fire (The End)

The Earth is not destroyed at the second coming.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Earth is not destroyed at the second coming.

Of course it will be, dissolved by the Lords fire in final judgement (The End) 2 Peter 3:10-13

 

[ewq1938]

Of course it will be, dissolved by the Lords fire in final judgement (The End) 2 Peter 3:10-13

That happens after the GWTJ in Rev 20, with Rev 21 showing the NHNE created after the old versions are burned up, not at the second coming.

 

[William Barton]

Of course it will be, dissolved by the Lords fire in final judgement (The End) 2 Peter 3:10-13

Jesus comes and reigns 1000 years (Revelation 20:6).

After that, new heavens and earth (Revelation 21,22).

 

[William Barton]

Yes I Disagree With Your Claim Of A Literal Future 1,000 Year Kingdom on this Earth At The Return Of Jesus Christ

Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement Dissolving This Earth By Fire (The End)

"Dissolving by fire" (2Peter 3:10) occurs after the Millennial Reign of Jesus (Revelation, chapters 20:7-15, 21, 22).

 

[WPM]

Jesus comes and reigns 1000 years (Revelation 20:6).

After that, new heavens and earth (Revelation 21,22).

Do you have other Scripture to support your claims?

 

[Truth7t7]

That happens after the GWTJ in Rev 20, with Rev 21 showing the NHNE created after the old versions are burned up, not at the second coming.

It takes place at the second coming day of the lord, continue on with false claims

 

[William Barton]

The resurrection/rapture is at His coming just as 1Cor 15:23 states:

1 Corinthians 15:23-24 (KJV) 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The Mystery Paul speaks of in 1 Cor 15:51 is the same mystery in Rev 10:7.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (KJV) 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Revelation 10:7 (KJV) But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The last trump is the seventh trump.

Further, Paul explicitly states the dead rise before those whom are alive. He says this TWICE in a span of two sentences in 1 Thess 4:15-16. Which is also the same “coming” in 1 Cor 15:23.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (KJV) 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Those whom are alive cannot precede those whom are dead. Period. Scripture is crystal clear.

Pretribulation “rapture” is a lie and easily defeated with scripture.

IMO:
The rapture is pre-great-tribulation (Matthew 24:21).

 

[William Barton]

Do you have other Scripture to support your claims?

Sure:
"And when the *thousand years* are ended..." (Revelation 20:7).

No more time after that, rather new heavens and earth (Revelation 21:1).
It's in the BOOK.

 

[William Barton]

Pretribulation “rapture” is a lie and easily defeated with scripture.

The coming of Christ to remove his subjects from the coming judgments ("rapture") is depicted in Revelation 14:16. This is before the great tribulation.

 

[William Barton]

Yes I Disagree With Your Claim Of A Literal Future 1,000 Year Kingdm on This Earth At The Return Of Jesus Christ

Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement Dissolving This Earth By Fire (The End)

Dissolving the earth occurs after the Millennium (Revelation 21:1).

 

[WPM]

Sure:
"And when the *thousand years* are ended..." (Revelation 20:7).

No more time after that, rather new heavens and earth (Revelation 21:1).
It's in the BOOK.

Lol. Where is your corroboration for you Premil opinion of Rev 20?

 

[ewq1938]

It takes place at the second coming day of the lord,

Not according to the bible. "rule" over the nations in Rev 19 is future tense so happens after Armageddon. You claim all are killed but the bible teaches the opposite.

 

[William Barton]

Lol. Where is your corroboration for you Premil opinion of Rev 20?

o. Jesus returns (Revelation 19:11).
o. Jesus rules 1000 years, a millennium (Revelation 20:5).
o. That is a pre-millennial return.
o. New heavens and earth come after the millennium (Revelation 21:1).

 

[WPM]

o. Jesus returns (Revelation 19:11).
o. Jesus rules 1000 years, a millennium (Revelation 20:5).
o. That is a pre-millennial return.
o. New heavens and earth come after the millennium (Revelation 21:1).

It is not chronological. I will take by your avoidance that you have zero corroboration of your chronological view of Rev 19-22 in Scripture. The reality is: Scripture forbids you inventing an extra age in-between this age. Scripture forbids mortals and unbelievers surviving the second coming. It is climactic and final. They are either saved or lost, heaven or hell, caught up or caught on. Premil invents a 3rd group of humans that Scripture knows nothing of.

 

[William Barton]

It is not chronological. I will take by your avoidance that you have zero corroboration of your chronological view of Rev 19-22 in Scripture. The reality is: Scripture forbids you inventing an extra age in-between this age. Scripture forbids mortals and unbelievers surviving the second coming. It is climactic and final. They are either saved or lost, heaven or hell, caught up or caught on. Premil invents a 3rd group of humans that Scripture knows nothing of.

WPW noted:
<Scripture forbids mortals and unbelievers from surviving the second coming>

Whom does that leave?

 

[Truth7t7]

Not according to the bible. "rule" over the nations in Rev 19 is future tense so happens after Armageddon. You claim all are killed but the bible teaches the opposite.

Will Jesus Rule With A "Rod Of Iron" Being A King's Scepter, During A Millennium As Many Teach?​

Their deception is in the interpretation of "Rod Of Iron"?

Many falsely believe and teach its a Kings (Ruling Scepter) "Wrong"!

A "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" that a Potter destroys clay vessels with

Jesus returns and destroy's the wicked like a Potter destroy's his vessels with a "Rod Of Iron" its that simple

Sad part is, many have been clearly shown this truth several times, and they continue to teach error

The "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" not a "Kings Scepter" as many falsely believe and teach

Psalm 2:9KJV
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15KJV
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

[Truth7t7]

That happens after the GWTJ in Rev 20, with Rev 21 showing the NHNE created after the old versions are burned up, not at the second coming.

When Jesus returns this is the day of the Lord, the last day in the resurrection and final judgement of all, on this last day this present earth will be dissolved by fire (The End) as the NHNE are revealed for eternity

You can claim a Millennium on this earth will take place a Billion times, it doesn't exist in scripture, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Douggg]

Will Jesus Rule With A "Rod Of Iron" Being A King's Scepter, During A Millennium As Many Teach?​

Their deception is in the interpretation of "Rod Of Iron"?

Many falsely believe and teach its a Kings (Ruling Scepter) "Wrong"!

A "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" that a Potter destroys clay vessels with

Jesus returns and destroy's the wicked like a Potter destroy's his vessels with a "Rod Of Iron" its that simple

Sad part is, many have been clearly shown this truth several times, and they continue to teach error

The "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" not a "Kings Scepter" as many falsely believe and teach

Psalm 2:9KJV
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15KJV
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

That Jesus will metaphorically rule with a rod of iron means that He is not going to allow the governments of the nations of the world to rule in an evil manner.