Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

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Hey @marks . I wrote my reply hard in my flesh, in regards to my opinion of you. I didn't catch what I wrote then. Man, I'm awful. Please forgive. I judged you, trying to sit on God's throne. I can't do that. Once again, I ask for forgiveness. I have no excuse for my post. I'm sorry, truly. Much love back, my brother.
It's nothing, we all say things we think better of later. Just the same, your response is golden!

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I can't believe that you hold the monoply on that, for I too, am guilty of betraying our Lord.

The day He put me face down in the dirt, was the most blessed day I even had and I will never move from it.

We may all fall from our first love but we are in big trouble if we stay there. It is down in the dirt or die
 
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Well I just have.

Fantastic. Most people like to comment on something without knowing what they are disagreeing with. We get a lot of that in these parts. :hmhehm
We must compare this with what was taught in the early church. I do not mean the part (majority it seems) that had compromised with the state and were not walking in the 'higher walk' as epi puts it.

It's good to check the historical records...but even better to check with the bible and seek God for personal instruction by the Spirit.
I am talking about the spirituality that was taught then, by those considered saints.

They said that there are three stages:

Purification
Illumination
Deification.

I think too often people will make rules or steps that might in fact work for an individual or a specific group...but doesn't track well over time. So I would rather follow the word of God and the Spirit who brings life.
Those in stage 1 are learning that they have fallen from their first love and God is humbling them through various means. Some call it the dark night of the soul as it is very difficult to go through if we want to progress in our walk to the highest level.

The 3rd stage is when God blesses the person and lifts them up to the level of grace where they are fully united with God and are without sin in this life not the next.

The stage in between is one where one knows the truth about no such thing as gradual sanctification, has been enlightened and can now decide whether to sin or not. They are in control of deliberate sin but not unintentional sin, and wish to go on to perfection, if they have not seared their consciences. Many in the holiness movement got stuck in this stage.

Epi calls this stage righteousness. I am coming round to it but still have one or two doublts, but the important thing is that the flesh still has control over them.

I think people experience differently what can be learned by others in a different sequence. I started out in Zion...walking in light..in an eternal holiness...way above what the carnal mind can comprehend. So I started at the end. Whereas most people will never get that far. So I was selected by God to be a sort of spy...that can tell people what fulness in Christ is like. What God has shown me over the last few decades is that such a walk needs to be supported in righteousness...obedience in what a human can do. So I am learning righteousness. No one can teach another person holiness. But an understanding of holiness can be taught. Jeremiah says that God will send shepherds according to His heart that will instruct people in knowledge and understanding. Where is wisdom in this? Well, only the wise will heed the instruction..and there are very few who are wise in the churches of today...most are spoiled children looking for a free pass on sin.
We cannot ignore what the disciples of the apostles taught even though there was so muc error around. They also spoke the same language and understood the culture. One of the clearest teachers was Maximus the Confessor. If we deviate we are not teaching the gospel.

The gospel is so simple that a child can understand it - obey what God is telling you inside but I find epi's version to be complicated.
What I teach is NUANCED and balanced. It only becomes complicated because of all the false doctrinal versions that each deviate at different points. My ministry is to teach sound doctrine that only the wise will hear. And basically, no one else is teaching what is needed to survive the errors of our time. My chart shows God's timeless strategy to save both the righteous and the holy. It is about survival for most now...surviving God's hard judgment on those who claim much but produce little to no fruit...in either righteousness (to get mercy)...or holiness (to get glory). I know that my chart is inspired from heaven...but no one will know that unless they dig DEEP. Splashing in puddles does not make a person a follower of Christ. Most people HATE to even get their feet wet.
 
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Do you ever read Paul or about Paul in the bible without thinking that he was a murderer? There were some in his day that never forgave him...never trusted him. Now the opposite is true...elevating his words (erroneously as it turns out) above those of Jesus.
Do you not believe that Paul wrote what Jesus taught Him? Did Paul not write in the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Do you account Paul's writings as having come from Paul the man, not from God?

Maybe this gives some understanding, knowing that you consider Paul as somehow "less than" in Scripture.
 

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Fantastic. Most people like to comment on something without knowing what they are disagreeing with. We get a lot of that in these parts. :hmhehm


It's good to check the historical records...but even better to check with the bible and seek God for personal instruction by the Spirit.


I think too often people will make rules or steps that might in fact work for an individual or a specific group...but doesn't track well over time. So I would rather follow the word of God and the Spirit who brings life.


I think people experience differently what can be learned by others in a different sequence. I started out in Zion...walking in light..in an eternal holiness...way above what the carnal mind can comprehend. So I started at the end. Whereas most people will never get that far. So I was selected by God to be a sort of spy...that can tell people what fulness in Christ is like. What God has shown me over the last few decades is that such a walk needs to be supported in righteousness...obedience in what a human can do. So I am learning righteousness. No one can teach another person holiness. But an understanding of holiness can be taught. Jeremiah says that God will send shepherds according to His heart that will instruct people in knowledge and understanding. Where is wisdom in this? Well, only the wise will heed the instruction..and there are very few who are wise in the churches of today...most are spoiled children looking for a free pass on sin.

What I teach is NUANCED and balanced. It only becomes complicated because of all the false doctrinal versions that each deviate at different points. My ministry is to teach sound doctrine that only the wise will hear. And basically, no one else is teaching what is needed to survive the errors of pour time. My chart shows God's timeless strategy to save both the righteous and the holy. It is about survival for most now...surviving God's hard judgment on those who claim much but produce little to no fruit...in either righteousness (to get mercy)...or holiness (to get glory). I know that my chart is inspired from heaven...but no one will know that unless they dig DEEP. Splashing in puddles does not make a person a follower of Christ. Most people HATE to even get their feet wet.
This post made me think of this:

Eze 47:3-6 And when the man went out to the east with the line in his hand, he measured one thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the water came up to my ankles. Again he measured one thousand and brought me through the waters; the water came up to my knees. Again he measured one thousand and brought me through; the water came up to my waist. Again he measured one thousand, and it was a river that I could not cross; for the water was too deep, water in which one must swim, a river that could not be crossed. He said to me, "Son of man, have you seen this?" Then he brought me and returned me to the bank of the river.
 

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Well let's hear some other men here. He might squeeze past the lust for some, but murder??
David's dream was to build God's temple, and God denied him that for having bloody hands. I don't think God meant those David killed in war, which was God's plan, that David secure the nation from it's enemies. I think this means Uriah, and perhaps others whom David killed or had killed that he shouldn't have.

At the end of the it all, David's sin was forgiven. His son died. His sin was known. His harem was defiled. And so much more, I'm sure you know the history.

This is an example of what God's forgiveness looks like. He truly was forgiven, but paid terrible consequences.

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Fantastic. Most people like to comment on something without knowing what they are disagreeing with. We get a lot of that in these parts. :hmhehm


(It's good to check the historical records...but even better to check with the bible and seek God for personal instruction by the Spirit.)

*This is the thing, how do we know when we are misled? This is why the Orthodox say that Protestants are their own little popes. The early church interpreted scripture and if we say something different to them, then we are in danger. If we say that the devil cannot decieve us we are already deceived.

Those who were walking in the Spirit were in agreement - were the one that Christ prayed about. But there is never anyone who has the whole thing - all the finer points. It was meant to be a joint venture as in the apostles. No man can know it all and will interpret scripture though a lens unless he is in that oneness.

If we do not take the spiritual fathers into account, then we will be deceived in our own interpretaion of scripture.

It is gross arrogance to think that we can interpret ourselves.


(I think too often people will make rules or steps that might in fact work for an individual or a specific group...but doesn't track well over time. So I would rather follow the word of God and the Spirit who brings life.)

*The laws of the Spirit are like the natural laws, reliable and unchanging.


(I think people experience differently what can be learned by others in a different sequence. I started out in Zion...walking in light..in an eternal holiness...way above what the carnal mind can comprehend. So I started at the end. Whereas most people will never get that far. So I was selected by God to be a sort of spy...that can tell people what fulness in Christ is like. What God has shown me over the last few decades is that such a walk needs to be supported in righteousness...obedience in what a human can do. So I am learning righteousness. No one can teach another person holiness. But an understanding of holiness can be taught. Jeremiah says that God will send shepherds according to His heart that will instruct people in knowledge and understanding. Where is wisdom in this? Well, only the wise will heed the instruction..and there are very few who are wise in the churches of today...most are spoiled children looking for a free pass on sin.

What I teach is NUANCED and balanced. It only becomes complicated because of all the false doctrinal versions that each deviate at different points. My ministry is to teach sound doctrine that only the wise will hear. And basically, no one else is teaching what is needed to survive the errors of pour time. My chart shows God's timeless strategy to save both the righteous and the holy. It is about survival for most now...surviving God's hard judgment on those who claim much but produce little to no fruit...in either righteousness (to get mercy)...or holiness (to get glory). I know that my chart is inspired from heaven...but no one will know that unless they dig DEEP. Splashing in puddles does not make a person a follower of Christ. Most people HATE to even get their feet wet.)

*It is easy to be led astray from the simplicity and is the mark of Satan. In the early chuch no one could theologise unless they were walking without sin.
 

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This post made me think of this:

Eze 47:3-6 And when the man went out to the east with the line in his hand, he measured one thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the water came up to my ankles. Again he measured one thousand and brought me through the waters; the water came up to my knees. Again he measured one thousand and brought me through; the water came up to my waist. Again he measured one thousand, and it was a river that I could not cross; for the water was too deep, water in which one must swim, a river that could not be crossed. He said to me, "Son of man, have you seen this?" Then he brought me and returned me to the bank of the river.
I cover this in my series on the salvation chart. After completing the video series God directed me to a site where a prophetess drew a diagram that in those days was called " writing in the Holy Spirit, or writing in tongues". This is just before the Azusa revival. When I saw the chart I recognized it was the same as mine but on its end...This has to do with the filling of the Spirit. So then the Lord showed me in much greater detail what He showed a prophet lady over 100 years ago. Click the link to see what she wrote.

 

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Do you not believe that Paul wrote what Jesus taught Him? Did Paul not write in the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Do you account Paul's writings as having come from Paul the man, not from God?

Maybe this gives some understanding, knowing that you consider Paul as somehow "less than" in Scripture.
Why are you still here? But as to your insinuation...Paul walked in the Spirit and was taught directly by God. Today, that would be seen as very wrong. Paul didn't go to sit at the apostles feet...no, he went to Arabia to seek God for himself. And God rewarded Him for it. So Paul follows a different path to knowing God than his contemporaries...to seek Him directly. And that's the same with me. I am not indoctrinated by men because I have learned from the same Spirit that Paul did. So I have an understanding of Paul that most don't have.

And the apostles were fine with Paul seeking God on his own. Why not? It is the Spirit that gives life. John says that we have need that no man teach us as the Spirit will guide us into ALL truth. And that's also how I was taught....directly by God. Just like Paul. So I agree with Paul...who was inspired to write what he did by the Spirit.

Your speculations in this matter are pedantic and have no depth. They are based only on a superficial interest in avoiding the truth wherever possible. You are already self-medicated in a religious way, so to speak. :rolleyes:
 
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I cover this in my series on the salvation chart. After completing the video series God directed me to a site where a prophetess drew a diagram that in those days was called " writing in the Holy Spirit, or writing in tongues". This is just before the Azusa revival. When I saw the chart I recognized it was the same as mine but on its end...This has to do with the filling of the Spirit. So then the Lord showed me in much greater detail what He showed a prophet lady over 100 years ago. Click the link to see what she wrote.

What does it mean?
 

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I lifted this from Hep post that she mistakenly embedded in mine...

  • *It is easy to be led astray from the simplicity and is the mark of Satan. In the early chuch no one could theologise unless they were walking without sin.
  • My response is to suit yourself and believe what you want...and see what that gives you.
 
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I lifted this from Hep post that she mistakenly embedded in mine...

  • *It is easy to be led astray from the simplicity and is the mark of Satan. In the early chuch no one could theologise unless they were walking without sin.
  • My response is to suit yourself and believe what you want...and see what that gives you.

Well it led me into the kingdom in which I lived for 18 months, then later for a few months. Now not.
 

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Indeed we are to be taught by Him. But they found out that they were in agreement. Conformation that even Paul needed.
Everything I teach is backed up STRONGLY in the bible. The fact that you can't understand the bible is the reason you can't see that.

So I can't be judged by the pretenders here. All it does is show the state of most "believers" of our time that can't hear the truth.
 
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Well it led me into the kingdom in which I lived for 18 months, then later for a few months. Now not.
I don't believe you. You rely on old dead people not the living God. You have no testimony outside of inflicting on us some 3 quantum steps to Jesus. But discern the truth, you can't.
 

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Everything I teach is backed up STRONGLY in the bible. The fact that you can't understand the bible is the reason you can't see that.

So I can't be judged by the pretenders here. All it does is show the state of most "believers" of our time that can't hear the truth.

You claim that one can be saved without being in Christ. That is not scripture as the early church did not teach it.
 
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