Flat Earth Theory

[doctrox]

...as well as Isaiah.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isa. 5:20)

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. (Heb. 12:1-3)

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; (2 Tim. 3:12-14)

They do not realize that they are judging God's Creation and Word by atheists and globalists and falsified-science(magic-tricks).

The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble. (Pro. 4:19)
wicked = hostile to God, ungodly

 

[doctrox]

Bible Verses About Earth Being Round - The Shape of the Earth​

Isaiah 40:22, Job 26:10, Proverbs 8:27 [re: circle]​

In your three cited verses, circle = ḥûḡ and it does NOT equal "ball".

The Hebrew ḥûḡ denotes a flat, two-dimensional circle or the visible circular horizon and atmospheric dome. Ancient Hebrew had other words for a physical ball or sphere (dûr) that were not used in your specific texts.

...have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: (Isa. 40:21-22)

circle = arch or vault of the sky; only of vault of the heavens - Blue Letter Bible

That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. (Job 38:13-14):



As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire. (Job 28:5)

...experience the roundness of the earth first hand... buy an airplane ticket and fly across the country... just look out the window and notice the earth is ROUND homie!

Rather, save the cost of a ticket and avoid placing anything (e.g. a curved airplane window) between you and the truth.

Curved earth photos are accomplished with fish-eye lenses.

...and with the swap-out of flat windows for curved windows in commercial airplanes in 1954. Commercial airplane windows actually have three separate layers of plastic, and they are convex from the outside. Just coincidence.

 

[David in NJ]

The takeaway for me is the confirmation that the truth (the scriptures, the word of God, the Holy Bible) makes manifest the darkness - every time.
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DITTO

 

[doctrox]

DITTO

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God....And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword...

 

[David Lamb]

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But what is the context of those words from Job? It is not a passage talking about the shape of the earth, but about the coming of dawn, and the way it makes the features of the earth visible:

Job 38:12 "Have you commanded the morning since your days began, And caused the dawn to know its place,
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it?
Job 38:14 It takes on form like clay under a seal, And stands out like a garment.
Job 38:15 From the wicked their light is withheld, And the upraised arm is broken.

In the darkness of night (and remember, there were no street lights in those days), many of the earth's topographical features were hidden, only to be seen clearly, like clay under a seal, in the light of morning..

 

[David in NJ]

But what is the context of those words from Job?

Simple - God is asking you David and all of mankind, the same questions:

“Who is this who darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
3Now prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me.
4“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!

How are you going to answer???

 

[David Lamb]

Simple - God is asking you David and all of mankind, the same questions:

“Who is this who darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
3Now prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me.
4“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!

How are you going to answer???

To that question, I would answer that I fully agree that I wasn't there when God laid the foundations of the earth, but I know from His word, that He, God, determined its measurements. He is the Creator of all things.

 

[David in NJ]

To that question, I would answer that I fully agree that I wasn't there when God laid the foundations of the earth, but I know from His word, that He, God, determined its measurements. He is the Creator of all things.

GREAT & Good Morning,

Are His determined measurements that which NASA claim?

 

[David Lamb]

GREAT & Good Morning,

Are His determined measurements that which NASA claim?

I have no idea. God doesn't (as far as I know) give His measurements of the earth in the Bible.

 

[David in NJ]

I have no idea. God doesn't (as far as I know) give His measurements of the earth in the Bible.

Correct

MOST IMPORTANT is that GOD challenges NASA, anyone and everyone to search out the earth's foundations = IF they can.

GOD also placed a Holy Wager to Satan and all of the scientists/globalists of the world = Jeremiah 31:37

Thus says the Lord:

“If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the Lord.

 

[SirJamsalot]

What are your thoughts on the idea the earth isn't a globe, but instead more of a flat plane?

I've always suspected flat-earth theory is, at least in part, one enormous epistemological troll.

The interesting question underneath it isn't really, "Is the earth flat?" It's, "How do you know what you claim to know?"

Most of us have never personally performed the measurements necessary to establish the shape of the earth. We accept the globe because we trust a network of testimony, observation, instruments, mathematics, institutions, and people who tell us what those things demonstrate.

We live by credible testimony constantly. But it does mean that saying, "Science says so," doesn't magically remove faith, trust, presuppositions, interpretation, human error, institutional pressure, or financial interest from the equation.

Joe saying he saw a unicorn doesn't establish the existence of unicorns. A group of people in white coats publishing a paper doesn't establish a conclusion simply because they're wearing the approved ceremonial garments of Science™ either. Evidence still has to be examined, assumptions questioned, methods evaluated, and testimony weighed.

Even our own senses aren't infallible, so "I saw it with my own eyes" isn't the final court of appeal either.

That's what I find interesting about flat-earth arguments. Strip away the maps, rockets, horizons, and increasingly creative YouTube thumbnails, and you're left with a very old philosophical question:

What do you know, and how do you know it? Epistemology 101.

 

[David in NJ]

The interesting question underneath it isn't really, "Is the earth flat?" It's, "How do you know what you claim to know?"

Simple = God never lies, therefore you can trust His Word.

Simple Science Fact that God created for us to 'know' = WATER

 

[Justified]

Whatever seems to work, eh?

Please try and follow the flow of argumentation in the discussion.

This is the crux of your position, indeed, of your predicament - the hackneyed "failing to understand context" retort.

Because when people fail to understand context, they are much more likely to come to a wrong conclusion about what the Bible says, as you and others in this thread do.

Rather, you've been shown, in this thread alone, copious documented proof of the ball earth deception from its inception.

Not one shred of rational or legitimate evidence has been given.

The posts of naysayers here exhibit blatant deception and the inability to grasp reality, and the lie that is space travel. Psychologically, ones inability to grasp reality when being told a lie, can stem from fear of being wrong, tribal loyalty, emotional investment in the belief, or “sunk-cost fallacy” (having already invested too much in the false idea to let it go).

Things like this are pointless, since from where I am sitting, it applies to you and all flat-earthers.

The opposite, however, is intellectual humility or a genuine truth-seeking mindset: being willing to change your mind when the evidence demands it, no matter how inconvenient.

Which is definitely not you.

...any scriptural basis for what you believe re: your ball earth.

Is this a question?

 

[ScottA]

You who believe Israel is of this world, now believe that scripture is literary and not spiritual. Go figure--such are the workings of Satan!

 

[David in NJ]

You who believe Israel is of this world, now believe that scripture is literary and not spiritual. Go figure--such are the workings of Satan!

Let's look at the workings of Satan that our Heavenly FATHER has shared with us so that we are not deceived.

Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’”

2The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden, 3but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’”

4“You will not surely die,” the serpent told the woman. 5“For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2After fasting forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

3The tempter came to Him and said, “If You are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

4But Jesus answered, “It is written:

‘Man shall not live on bread alone,

but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

5Then the devil took Him to the holy city and set Him on the pinnacle of the temple. 6“If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He will command His angels concerning You,

and they will lift You up in their hands,

so that You will not strike Your foot

against a stone.’”

7Jesus replied, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’c”

8Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
9“All this I will give You,” he said, “if You will fall down and worship me.”

10“Away from Me, Satan!” Jesus told him. “For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”

11Then the devil left Him, and angels came and ministered to Him.


Can you SEE in these Most Important passages of scripture that expose Satan, the correlation between the NASA/earth and the Truth???

 

[David in NJ]

You who believe Israel is of this world, now believe that scripture is literary and not spiritual. Go figure--such are the workings of Satan!

???
elaborate please as to your correlational analysis

 

[ScottA]

Let's look at the workings of Satan that our Heavenly FATHER has shared with us so that we are not deceived.

Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’”

2The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden, 3but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’”

4“You will not surely die,” the serpent told the woman. 5“For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2After fasting forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

3The tempter came to Him and said, “If You are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

4But Jesus answered, “It is written:

‘Man shall not live on bread alone,

but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

5Then the devil took Him to the holy city and set Him on the pinnacle of the temple. 6“If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He will command His angels concerning You,

and they will lift You up in their hands,

so that You will not strike Your foot

against a stone.’”

7Jesus replied, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’c”

8Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
9“All this I will give You,” he said, “if You will fall down and worship me.”

10“Away from Me, Satan!” Jesus told him. “For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”

11Then the devil left Him, and angels came and ministered to Him.


Can you SEE in these Most Important passages of scripture that expose Satan, the correlation between the NASA/earth and the Truth???

I see what it says and what you are saying, but the words used do not support either position as they very in definition. In fact, the passage could just as easily be interpreted as "Satan took Jesus up into the air, high and beyond measure and showed Him all the kingdoms of the earth."

Which is the nature of all scripture, that they are only discerned spiritually. Meaning, no scripture can actually support either position.

 

[ScottA]

???
elaborate please as to your correlational analysis

Man and all creation was created as a mere image and as many signs, even as the Temple was not the Temple now being built in heaven. Meaning, to take any of it as literal, as proof-positive, for or against, is not wise...the thinking of men.

As such, we are left with the physical evidence--but what is it but a fool's errand to debate by bits of would-be fact, or words that are purposely confused by God?

As for me, I have seen the curvature of the ocean. Which many argue with photographs and small examples of leveling that only support their own beliefs, and are not conclusive or even hold up against what can be seen without such aids.

 

[David in NJ]

I see what it says and what you are saying, but the words used do not support either position as they very in definition. In fact, the passage could just as easily be interpreted as "Satan took Jesus up into the air, high and beyond measure and showed Him all the kingdoms of the earth."

In FACT, the LORD and Satan KNEW exactly where they were and what earth they were UPON

Which is the nature of all scripture,

The Nature of GOD is TRUTH, therefore His words/Scripture are TRUTH

that they are only discerned spiritually.

CORRECT
Spiritual discernment Governs all aspects = Both spiritual and physical

Meaning, no scripture can actually support either position.

FALSE

You just parlayed one of Satan's lies

 

[ScottA]

In FACT, the LORD and Satan KNEW exactly where they were and what earth they were UPON

The passage doesn't say upon the earth, but rather high beyond measure as a bird...not in so many words, but neither in the words you quoted...as it is subject to interpretation.