WATCH!

[claninja]

Was the door shut pretrib/preflood?
You actually thinking there is a wicked people rapture before the flood?
Halt the world is wicked, and taken away?

Your theory totally falls apart..
You have to use a little common sense in an analogy.
At the Rapture there will not be , Noah, a flood, a boat, animals, torrential rain, or the entire earth void of people, nor your theory of half earths population wicked and half righteous.
How bizarre your theory is.
Literally impossible.
You quoted me and never addressed the item of half taken.
That item alone destroys your theory.
You are saying over and over that half the world is wicked and half righteous.

Literally impossible.
Yet you keep proclaiming it.
Huh?

What? I don’t really understand half of what you are saying.

So maybe let’s work stepwise to understand each other?

Step 1:
In the Noah analogy of Matthew 24:38-39, who is “taken away”?

 

[rebuilder 454]

What? I don’t really understand half of what you are saying.

So maybe let’s work stepwise to understand each other?

Step 1:
In the Noah analogy of Matthew 24:38-39, who is “taken away”?

Half of a group.
It Can not, and never will be, "wicked people taken pretrib."
That is miles from surviving a test fit.
Test fit it.
"A wicked man pretrib rapture of half earths population."
See if it fits.

Then go back to the facts of the analogy by Jesus.
( vs the facts of the rapture)

Use the setting ( pretrib)
Who is raptured
What percentage
The timing ( before the flood....pretrib)
When the door was shut
Where Noah went.
When Noah entered the ark ( ark is a type of heaven)
WHEN NOAH RETURNED BACK TO EARTH.

proper exegesis.
No guessing and transposing

 

[Davy]

Context context context.

Rev 15
1And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God

You are way off.
No second coming has happened.
The wrath is beginning.
Re read it.

God's written Word shows us the CONTEXT for those shown in Revelation 5. My post #235 highlighted it.

I'm not a gambling man, but I'd bet you don't even know what the Song of Moses is.

 

[rebuilder 454]

God's written Word shows us the CONTEXT for those shown in Revelation 5. My post #235 highlighted it.

I'm not a gambling man, but I'd bet you don't even know what the Song of Moses is.

Sure it does.
Rev 5 is in heaven and the seals are not yet opened.
No brainer.

BTW; The church i got saved at , we sang the song of Moses.
It is from exodus .
I can recite it word for word.
Have for 50 years.
I am way way ahead of you.

No surprise, you got it all wrong.
Everything you posted is wrong.

 

[WPM]

Half of a group.
It Can not, and never will be, "wicked people taken pretrib."
That is miles from surviving a test fit.
Test fit it.
"A wicked man pretrib rapture of half earths population."
See if it fits.

Then go back to the facts of the analogy by Jesus.
( vs the facts of the rapture)

Use the setting ( pretrib)
Who is raptured
What percentage
The timing ( before the flood....pretrib)
When the door was shut
Where Noah went.
When Noah entered the ark ( ark is a type of heaven)
WHEN NOAH RETURNED BACK TO EARTH.

proper exegesis.
No guessing and transposing

LOL. Noah never left this earth. He never went to heaven. Do you leave the earth when you get in a boat? You invent types because you have no explicit Scripture.

 

[claninja]

Half of a group.
It Can not, and never will be, "wicked people taken pretrib."
That is miles from surviving a test fit.
Test fit it.
"A wicked man pretrib rapture of half earths population."
See if it fits.

Then go back to the facts of the analogy by Jesus.
( vs the facts of the rapture)

Use the setting ( pretrib)
Who is raptured
What percentage
The timing ( before the flood....pretrib)
When the door was shut
Where Noah went.
When Noah entered the ark ( ark is a type of heaven)
WHEN NOAH RETURNED BACK TO EARTH.

proper exegesis.
No guessing and transposing

Doesn’t answer my question.

In the Noah analogy in Matthew 24:38-39, who are the ones that Jesus described as “taken away”.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Doesn’t answer my question.

In the Noah analogy in Matthew 24:38-39, who are the ones that Jesus described as “taken away”.

I already told you
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"Half of a group"
It is a fact.
A group of people.
Half are taken preflood.

It is a no brainer.
Your model would say they are wicked people.
That is YOUR MODEL.
( Which can not be and in no way fits anything)

Half of a group would be Half of the church.
Half taken and half left behind.

 

[claninja]

I already told you
'
"Half of a group"
It is a fact.
A group of people.
Half are taken preflood.

It is a no brainer.
Your model would say they are wicked people.
That is YOUR MODEL.
( Which can not be and in no way fits anything)

Half of a group would be Half of the church.
Half taken and half left behind.

Before can address your eisegesis of Matthew 24:40-41, we have to look at the contextual set up in vs 38-39, which makes no mention of “half taken pre flood”:

38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. 39And they were oblivious until the flood came and took them all away.

Who are the one’s taken away in the Noah analogy of 38-39?

 

[The Light]

Before can address your eisegesis of Matthew 24:40-41, we have to look at the contextual set up in vs 38-39, which makes no mention of “half taken pre flood”:

38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. 39And they were oblivious until the flood came and took them all away.

Who are the one’s taken away in the Noah analogy of 38-39?

Which ones were yelling don't leave us here, the ones with the ark or the ones without the ark?

 

[WPM]

You quoted me and never addressed the item of half taken.
That item alone destroys your theory.
You are saying over and over that half the world is wicked and half righteous.

Literally impossible.
Yet you keep proclaiming it.
Huh?

LOL. You are the expert at not addressing. That is your response to every rebuttal.

The parable of the 10 virgins has nothing to do with 50% being saved and 50% not within the Church. It has nothing to do with 50% or professors being genuine and 50% not. It has equally nothing to do with the percentage of society that will know Christ when He comes. The 50/50 breakdown is an earthly illustration relating to two types of people on earth when Jesus comes. These are two types of people you will find in any generation.

 

[WPM]

Half of a group.
It Can not, and never will be, "wicked people taken pretrib."
That is miles from surviving a test fit.
Test fit it.
"A wicked man pretrib rapture of half earths population."
See if it fits.

Then go back to the facts of the analogy by Jesus.
( vs the facts of the rapture)

Use the setting ( pretrib)
Who is raptured
What percentage
The timing ( before the flood....pretrib)
When the door was shut
Where Noah went.
When Noah entered the ark ( ark is a type of heaven)
WHEN NOAH RETURNED BACK TO EARTH.

proper exegesis.
No guessing and transposing

• How many people survived in Sodom (the sole city that Christ likened the destruction of this world to at the end)?
• How many wicked people survived in Noah's day?

 

[ewq1938]

Which ones were yelling don't leave us here, the ones with the ark or the ones without the ark?

It is likely Noah lived and built the Ark too far away from those people for that to have happened.

 

[claninja]

Which ones were yelling don't leave us here, the ones with the ark or the ones without the ark?

I don’t know because the Bible doesn’t say.

But that also Doesn’t answer the question.

So again, According to Jesus, who was “taken away” in Matthew 24:38-39?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Before can address your eisegesis of Matthew 24:40-41, we have to look at the contextual set up in vs 38-39, which makes no mention of “half taken pre flood”:

38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. 39And they were oblivious until the flood came and took them all away.

Who are the one’s taken away in the Noah analogy of 38-39?

Look what you just did.
You are contending that preflood, ( AHEM, the context and setting), all of earths inhabitants are destroyed , and that event is preflood/pretrib.

Look, I already said, that in the rapture, there is ;
NO FLOOD, NO BOAT, NO NOAH, AND NO WIPE OUT OF EVERY HUMAN ON THE PLANET.

So, you need to go back and gather EVERY COMPONENT of the analogy THAT APPLIES.

You are spinning off into space by applying false components.

"The car shines like a new penny"

(Comparing the SHINE)

NOT , insinuating a giant penny with wheels is a car.
You have to treat the bible with care.
Anyone can torture it, to make it fit false doctrine.

QUOTE
"Before can address your eisegesis of Matthew 24:40-41, we have to look at the contextual set up in vs 38-39, which makes no mention of “half taken pre flood”: "

Trying to blenderize 2 OBVIOUS dustinct and separate comings from Matthew 24?

Sad you need the bible changed.
It is really that important to you, to change the bible??????

Your doctrine HAS THE bizarre "RAPTURE OF WICKED BEFORE THE FLOOD".
YOU OWN IT BIG TIME.

...and cling to it desperately.

It is so important to respect God's Word.
It READS EXACTLY like it says.

Precision and exact.

 

[Scott Downey]

I don’t know because the Bible doesn’t say.

But that also Doesn’t answer the question.

So again, According to Jesus, who was “taken away” in Matthew 24:38-39?

The ones doomed to destruction, hence they died and the eagles-vultures ate their dead bodies.

Entirely the reverse of the false left behind series.

Luke 17:36-37​

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36 [a]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”
37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”
So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”

Body here is carcass

Matthew 24, obviously they are killed at the coming of Christ. They were all worshipping the beast and marked with his name number if that helps

26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Before can address your eisegesis of Matthew 24:40-41, we have to look at the contextual set up in vs 38-39, which makes no mention of “half taken pre flood”:

38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. 39And they were oblivious until the flood came and took them all away.

Who are the one’s taken away in the Noah analogy of 38-39?

Half of a group.
Half taken, half left behind.
It CAN NOT BE "HALF EARTHS POULATION WICKED, HALF RIGHTEOUS", as postrib doctrine asserts with great erroneous passion.
That would be ....cue drum roll....IMPOSSIBLE.
100% IMPOSSIBLE.
It is, however, half a group taken preflood.
We know that for a fact.

It is, in reality, half the church.
Jesus AUTHENTICATES that 15 sentences later , in the same breath, with...cue drum roll.... half the church raptured and half left behind, in the virgin parable.
2 analogies, practically back to back, with half the church taken....AHEM, pretrib.

 

[claninja]

Look what you just did.
You are contending that preflood, ( AHEM, the context and setting), all of earths inhabitants are destroyed , and that event is preflood/pretrib.

Look, I already said, that in the rapture, there is ;
NO FLOOD, NO BOAT, NO NOAH, AND NO WIPE OUT OF EVERY HUMAN ON THE PLANET.

So, you need to go back and gather EVERY COMPONENT of the analogy THAT APPLIES.

You are spinning off into space by applying false components.

"The car shines like a new penny"

(Comparing the SHINE)

NOT , insinuating a giant penny with wheels is a car.
You have to treat the bible with care.
Anyone can torture it, to make it fit false doctrine.

QUOTE
"Before can address your eisegesis of Matthew 24:40-41, we have to look at the contextual set up in vs 38-39, which makes no mention of “half taken pre flood”: "

Trying to blenderize 2 OBVIOUS dustinct and separate comings from Matthew 24?

Sad you need the bible changed.
It is really that important to you, to change the bible??????

Your doctrine HAS THE bizarre "RAPTURE OF WICKED BEFORE THE FLOOD".
YOU OWN IT BIG TIME.

...and cling to it desperately.

It is so important to respect God's Word.
It READS EXACTLY like it says.

Precision and exact.

You’re just obfuscating and dodging the question.

In Matthew 24:38-39, according to Jesus, who are the one’s “taken away”?

 

[claninja]

Half of a group.
Half taken, half left behind.
It CAN NOT BE "HALF EARTHS POULATION WICKED, HALF RIGHTEOUS", as postrib doctrine asserts with great erroneous passion.
That would be ....cue drum roll....IMPOSSIBLE.
100% IMPOSSIBLE.
It is, however, half a group taken preflood.
We know that for a fact.

It is, in reality, half the church.
Jesus AUTHENTICATES that 15 sentences later , in the same breath, with...cue drum roll.... half the church raptured and half left behind, in the virgin parable.
2 analogies, practically back to back, with half the church taken....AHEM, pretrib.

Doesn’t answer the question. Your avoidance is noted.

 

[rebuilder 454]

It is likely Noah lived and built the Ark too far away from those people for that to have happened.

Hard to wiggle out of the fact they got left behind to drown.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You’re just obfuscating and dodging the question.

In Matthew 24:38-39, according to Jesus, who are the one’s “taken away”?

Since you insist that this ;
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
( a gathering by angels in heaven, that Jesus is not part of)
(No left behind anything.)

Is this ;
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

It shows you are playing games.

What will you now do with this?;
Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

How does this 3rd coming manage to be changed into a "blenderized one coming"
( now we see angels in rev 14, sending Jesus)
Huh????
See what changing the Bible does????

No such thing a a "one coming" taught by Jesus.
Not even close