Satanic Temple Opens New Abortion Clinic

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Matthias

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From my perspective the Bible condoned causing miscarriages in certain cases which to me is the same as purposely aborting a child.
Of course you're not going to agree but it's there in black and white for all to read.

Thanks. The test had nothing to do with condoning a woman deciding to abort her unborn child.
 

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I'd have to read up on specifics before commenting on the harvesting of body parts. And obviously make sure that you are using reliable sources of information.
 

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I'd have to read up on specifics before commenting on the harvesting of body parts.

The concept of harvesting body parts from a living human being without obtaining their consent doesn’t trouble you? (It does me.)

And obviously make sure that you are using reliable sources of information.

That’s fine. There‘s a link provided in the post. I recommend checking multiple sources.
 

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Of course you're not going to agree but it's there in black and white for all to read.

“You only have the truth if you have the meaning right.” - John MacArthur

Reasonable people should be able to agree on this general principle.

The story provides no justification for a mother to choose to abort her unborn baby.

Why does the innocent woman in the story not suffer a miscarriage? Why does the guilty woman in the story suffer the miscarriage? (It’s not because she wanted to abort her baby.)
 
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The concept of harvesting body parts from a living human being without obtaining their consent doesn’t trouble you? (It does me.)



That’s fine. There‘s a link provided in the post. I recommend checking multiple sources.
Allegations that Planned Parenthood engaged in "body part harvesting" stem from a 2015 series of undercover videos released by the anti-abortion group the Center for Medical Progress (CMP). The Undercover Videos and AllegationsThe Claim: Activists posing as buyers from a fake biotech company recorded conversations with Planned Parenthood officials discussing the transfer of fetal tissue for medical research. CMP alleged the footage proved the organization was illegally selling fetal organs and altering abortion methods to harvest intact tissue.
The Response: Planned Parenthood stated the videos were deceptively edited. They maintained that participating clinics facilitated lawful, patient-requested fetal tissue donation for scientific research, and that small transactional fees discussed were strictly legal reimbursements for the cost of storage and transport, not profit.

Investigations and Legal OutcomesState and Federal Inquiries: Multiple state and congressional investigations were launched following the controversy. Multiple states cleared Planned Parenthood of illegal tissue sales or profiting from them.
donations investigations-find-no-fetal-tissue-sales.
Action Against Filmmakers: Grand juries and state attorneys general investigated the undercover activists. The creators of the CMP videos faced criminal charges for tampering with government records and illegal recording without consent, eventually pleading no contest to misdemeanor or felony counts related to the recordings.

Policy ChangesIn late 2015, Planned Parenthood announced a change in policy to eliminate even the legal reimbursement for expenses, deciding instead to fully absorb any costs related to fetal tissue donation programs to counter ongoing political controversy.
 

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Allegations that Planned Parenthood engaged in "body part harvesting" stem from a 2015 series of undercover videos released by the anti-abortion group the Center for Medical Progress (CMP). The Undercover Videos and AllegationsThe Claim: Activists posing as buyers from a fake biotech company recorded conversations with Planned Parenthood officials discussing the transfer of fetal tissue for medical research. CMP alleged the footage proved the organization was illegally selling fetal organs and altering abortion methods to harvest intact tissue.
The Response: Planned Parenthood stated the videos were deceptively edited. They maintained that participating clinics facilitated lawful, patient-requested fetal tissue donation for scientific research, and that small transactional fees discussed were strictly legal reimbursements for the cost of storage and transport, not profit.

Investigations and Legal OutcomesState and Federal Inquiries: Multiple state and congressional investigations were launched following the controversy. Multiple states cleared Planned Parenthood of illegal tissue sales or profiting from them.
donations investigations-find-no-fetal-tissue-sales.
Action Against Filmmakers: Grand juries and state attorneys general investigated the undercover activists. The creators of the CMP videos faced criminal charges for tampering with government records and illegal recording without consent, eventually pleading no contest to misdemeanor or felony counts related to the recordings.

Policy ChangesIn late 2015, Planned Parenthood announced a change in policy to eliminate even the legal reimbursement for expenses, deciding instead to fully absorb any costs related to fetal tissue donation programs to counter ongoing political controversy.

There have been undercover interviews since then confirming they harvest and sell body parts.

Let’s say for the sake of discussion that those interviews don’t exist, that they never happened. Do you approve of the practice?
 

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There have been undercover interviews since then confirming they harvest and sell body parts.

Do you approve of the practice?
It's not true, they harvest tissue with consent for medical purposes.
Can't find any credible news outlets reporting what you are claiming.
 

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It's not true, they harvest tissue with consent for medical purposes.

Neither unborn nor born children are able to give their consent.

Can't find any credible news outlets reporting what you are claiming.

The source I cited is a Catholic news outlet. What is a credible news outlet for unbelievers?

Again, let’s say for the sake of discussion that it isn’t true. Let’s turn it into a purely hypothetical question.

Do you approve of the practice of harvesting organs from born and / or unborn babies?
 

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Neither unborn nor born children are able to give their consent.



The source I cited is a Catholic news outlet. What is a credible news outlet for unbelievers?

Again, let’s say for the sake of discussion that it isn’t true. Let’s turn it into a purely hypothetical question.

Do you approve of the practice of harvesting organs from born and / or unborn babies?
With parental consent yes.

Can I ask you a question..... Are you yourself on the organ donor register?

I am, and if my gubbins can in any way help to heal one or more sick people, I'm all for it.

Organs and tissue only work in a live body my friend.
 

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I'd have to read up on specifics before commenting on the harvesting of body parts. And obviously make sure that you are using reliable sources of information.
Hey mancunian , just to let you in on a secrete .
The title of this thread is satanic temple opens new abortion clinic .
But what i dont think most even in christendom realize is
MANY temples now being run by even christain leaders , Have no idea
they lead their peoples to the all inclusive god who is satan .
IT dont have to have the name satan on its temple to be a temple OF satan .
Even as many jews who led their own people and claimed to JESUS
HEY GOD is our father , only to be told by this JESUS
ye do the works of your father , satan . OH , yes it is quite possible
for men in wool to be co workers OF and co helpers to satan and YET BLEIEVE ITS GOD .
SO as i would also tell you , BIBLE TIME , I SAY THE SAME TO THEM , BIBLE TIME .
cause we got us a mad house going on in these late and last and final hours upon earth .
 
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With parental consent yes.

Thanks. You approve of harvesting body parts from born and / or unborn babies with parental consent. I adamantly oppose it.

Can I ask you a question..... Are you yourself on the organ donor register?

I was, but I’m not anymore.

I am, and if my gubbins can in any way help to heal one or more sick people, I'm all for it.

Organs and tissue only work in a live body my friend.

Let’s hope the medical system doesn’t decide to harvest your organs while you’re still alive.
 

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Thanks. You approve of harvesting body parts from born and / or unborn babies with parental consent. I adamantly oppose it.



I was, but I’m not anymore.



Let’s hope the medical system doesn’t decide to harvest your organs while you’re still alive.
A friend of mine actually donated one of her kidneys to her brother.
Thankfully medical science kept them both alive! Isn't that wonderful and amazing Mathias?
 

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“Planned Parenthood Leaders Admit Under Oath to Harvesting Body Parts From Babies Born Alive”


“The Center for Medical Progress released horrific new video footage Tuesday showing a Planned Parenthood partner admitting that body parts were harvested from aborted babies who still had beating hearts.

The video exposes the testimonies of several top Planned Parenthood officials and a human tissue procurement company leader during a 2019 sworn legal deposition.

Perhaps the most horrific testimony came from Perrin Larton, the procurement manager of Advanced Bioscience Resources (ABR), which harvests aborted baby body parts at Planned Parenthood facilities in Southern California.

In her sworn testimony, Larton admitted that she has seen aborted babies’ hearts ‘beating independently’ after they are born. She also confirmed that some aborted babies’ bodies are fully intact. …”
 

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I'll read and watch tomorrow, it's way past my bedtime.

Good decision. The story is horrifying. (Made all the standard media news outlets in Kentucky; as well as national media outlets - which is why I used CNN and CBS.) Good night.
 

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Hey mancunian , just to let you in on a secrete .
The title of this thread is satanic temple opens new abortion clinic .
But what i dont think most even in christendom realize is
MANY temples now being run by even christain leaders , Have no idea
they lead their peoples to the all inclusive god who is satan .
IT dont have to have the name satan on its temple to be a temple OF satan .
Even as many jews who led their own people and claimed to JESUS
HEY GOD is our father , only to be told by this JESUS
ye do the works of your father , satan . OH , yes it is quite possible
for men in wool to be co workers OF and co helpers to satan and YET BLEIEVE ITS GOD .
SO as i would also tell you , BIBLE TIME , I SAY THE SAME TO THEM , BIBLE TIME .
cause we got us a mad house going on in these late and last and final hours upon earth .
@amigo de christo
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Good decision. The story is horrifying. (Made all the standard media news outlets in Kentucky; as well as national media outlets - which is why I used CNN and CBS.) Good night.
That's bad...
Thankfully I don't live in Kentucky.