Simple proof that the rapture occurs on the Last Day, which is a post tribulation rapture

[William Barton]

IMO:
o. The rapture occurs at the seventh trump prior to the bowl judgements.
o. Jesus returns with his mighty angels (John14:3, 2Thessalonians 1:7).
o. "All slain" indicates the opposition at hand, not all in the world.
o. Jesus reigns 1000 years (millennium, Revelation 20:4).
o. Another rebellion occurs after the millennium.
o. After that, new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1).
o. Righteousness prevails, no more tears.

It's in the Book.

 

[Scott Downey]

The rapture occurs at the seventh trump, before the bowl judgments


o Jesus returns with his mighty angels (John 14:3, 2Thessalonians 1:7)
o Jesus reigns 1000 years (millennium, Revelation 20:4)
o. After that, new heavens and earth (Revelation 21:1)
o. Righteousness prevails, no more tears
It's in the Book.

Do you agree with scripture that all the wicked, and unbelieving are slain by Christ at the Revelation 19 coming?

And that the people of God, and them only inherit the earth?

Matthew 5:5
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

• Psalm 37:28
  For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not His saints; they are preserved for ever, but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
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• Psalm 37:34
  Wait on the Lord and keep His way, and He shall exalt thee to inherit the land; when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
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• Psalm 37:38
  But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
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• Psalm 75:10
  All the horns of the wicked will I also cut off, but the horns of the righteous shall be exalted.
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[Scott Downey]

• Psalm 94:23
  And He shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the Lord our God shall cut them off!
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• Psalm 101:8
  I will early destroy all the wicked of the land, that I may cut off all wickeddoers from the city of the Lord.
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• Proverbs 2:22
  but the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
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[William Barton]

Scott Downey asked:

<Do you agree with scripture>

Surely, but there are differing interpretations, and everyone thinks he/she is right.

"All the wicked in the world are slain at the coming of Jesus" is incorrect. The only ones slain according to the *text* are those waiting in opposition (Revelation 19:11-21).

 

[Scott Downey]

Scott Downey asked:
<Do you agree with scripture>

Surely, but there are differing interpretations, and everyone thinks he/she is right.

For example, "all the wicked and unbelieving are slain" is nonsense. The only ones slain, according to the text, are those waiting in opposition.

I got a thought for you about who is 'everyone'.

1 Thessalonians 5 say all these who are being suddenly destroyed are in darkness and not expecting Him, meaning none are waiting for Him in opposition, because they are all in opposition, as in following the devil as Ephesians 2 describes all unsaved are doing as children of wrath. Paul says they are of the night, and of the darkness. He comes for them as a thief in the night comes.


But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be [a]sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

11 Therefore [b]comfort each other and [c]edify one another, just as you also are doing.


Ephesians 2
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

 

[William Barton]

Scott Downey noted:

<none are waiting for him (Jesus)>
They will, at the prescribed time (Revelation 16:16).

I know where they will gather, been here, seen it, plain of Megiddo, great place to have a battle (Revelation 16:16).

English: Armageddon
Greek: Aρμαγεδων
Ηebrew' הר מגדו

"Mount Megiddo" is in the ancient city of Megiddo, now a national park.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 19:18 that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.”

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, whose sword proceeded out of His mouth. And all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

All are dead, slain by Christ, everyone who is not with Him is against Him and killed. That is what being slain means.

Only those who are in that army at Armageddon are slain. There is no global slaughter.

You also left out the verse that speaks of the ones still alive that shall be ruled over after Armageddon:


Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Ignoring the verb tenses, this whole verse, and passages like Rev 2, 20 and Daniel 7 and the fact that the only people shown to be slain in Rev 19 is the army at that one specific place and you have the unscriptural core of the Amill doctrine. SDA have a similar view of all the wicked being slain in Rev 19, wrong for the same exact reasons.