It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

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LOL. More avoidance. Pretribs have so much to hide!

These debates are soooo one-sided! They cannot lay a punch on Posttrib. It is fun to watch.

They who NOW ARE SAVED…
*KNOW, When, How, Why They ARE SAVED.

They
*SPIRITUALLY UNDERSTAND When, Why, How, WHAT “THEIR SAVIOR” HAS PREPARED “FOR THEM”.

You @WPM (and others) stand outside THE DOOR…
WONDERING, DEMANDING, men WHO HAVE Entered Through the Door…GIVE YOU
“WRITTEN” SCRIPTURAL “UNDERSTANDING” of WHAT, When, Why, “THEIR Savior” Has Prepared FOR THEM”.

The KNOWLEDGE IS WRITTEN IN Scripture. You have Repeatedly been Referenced, Given, Shown “THE KNOWLEDGE”…

You have Repeatedly Rejected “THE KNOWLEDGE”…
And It is NOT for THE SAVED to WONDER WHY you reject the Knowledge…

They WHO ARE SAVED, ALREADY KNOW…
“In ANY scenario “UNDERSTANDING” ALWAYS comes AFTER, Accepting the kNOWLEDGE received to be TRUE.

IN the CASE OF Spiritual KNOWLEDGE, IT IS Gods, Approved Scriptural Written WORD.

IN the CASE OF Spiritual UNDERSTANDING, IT IS, THE Lord God Himself, WHO GIVES the man, (WHO Accepts Gods Word IS True), Gods UNDERSTANDING of His OWN Word.

In YOUR Case…
You Repeatedly Demand the KNOWLEDGE be Presented TO YOU, “in your words” and “in which passage YOU want to READ your words”.

BECAUSE Gods KNOWLEDGE, IS Written
IN His Approved Words…
FOR men WHO Trust TO BELIEVE His WORDS…
AND BECAUSE Gods UNDERSTANDING IS ONLY Given “individual men” FROM the Lord God Himself…

YOU… Have created umpteen THREADS, Have thousands of POSTS…
NEVER revealing YOUR “Standing”…
WHILE demanding They WITH “Standing, IN Gods Salvation, Knowledge, Understanding”…
PROVE …to your satisfaction…WHY THEY HAVE what you do Not…
* And Thus YOU DO WHAT the Ignorant Do…
Complain, Whine, Demand, Accuse…
* And Thus BECOME the SAVED’s Example of Tribulation, IN THIS WORLD.

John 16:
[33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Rom 5:
[3] And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation
worketh patience;

Your Demands, Insults and Accusing you call “fun”… is EXPECTED, From “they” whose Standing IS NOT With US IN Christ.

Your “fun” diminishes or Affects NOT one IOTA my cheer, overcoming, comfort With and IN Christ and WHAT He HAS Prepared FOR me.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

Because the word rapture is not in Scripture.
The meaning of Rapture is in Scripture.

yes the implied meaning of rapture is in the scripture indeed .
And so is this .
And by PEACE shall he , as in anti ch rist , destroy many . we better all watch out
for the global peace plan that the religoins and christendom , from jews to imams and leaders of christendome
now lead and guide this peoples . cause it aint NO peace plan of GOD , it has DENEID HIS PLAN OF PEACE
which is and which was TO HAVE HAD to BELIEVE ON HIS CHRIST .
someone and many someones are being Set up for the wrong one and ones .
but yes the meaning of being t aken up , caught up , rapture , is in the scrips . The timing of such an event
is what many cannot discern . Speaking of time and timing ,
Folks better all watch out cause time IS RUNNING OUT and anyone and everything
mixed up in that peace plan of an ecumeincal harlot and her all inclusive father
and their intefaith of anti christ son , OH THAT HOUSE IS GOING DOWN on JESUS day . THAT is a fact taken .
What was the number one warning THE CHRIST JESUS warned .
Beware , be not DECIEVED , it was wolves IN WOOL my friend . IN WOOL . and no marvel
that a wolf can be in wool , for even satan can appear as an angel of light
so its not too hard for his co workers of his peace plan to appear as men of righteousness , and of love
and etc . WHEN THEY AINT .

 

[amigo de christo]

They who NOW ARE SAVED…
*KNOW, When, How, Why They ARE SAVED.

They
*SPIRITUALLY UNDERSTAND When, Why, How, WHAT “THEIR SAVIOR” HAS PREPARED “FOR THEM”.

You @WPM (and others) stand outside THE DOOR…
WONDERING, DEMANDING, men WHO HAVE Entered Through the Door…GIVE YOU
“WRITTEN” SCRIPTURAL “UNDERSTANDING” of WHAT, When, Why, “THEIR Savior” Has Prepared FOR THEM”.

The KNOWLEDGE IS WRITTEN IN Scripture. You have Repeatedly been Referenced, Given, Shown “THE KNOWLEDGE”…

You have Repeatedly Rejected “THE KNOWLEDGE”…
And It is NOT for THE SAVED to WONDER WHY you reject the Knowledge…

They WHO ARE SAVED, ALREADY KNOW…
“In ANY scenario “UNDERSTANDING” ALWAYS comes AFTER, Accepting the kNOWLEDGE received to be TRUE.

IN the CASE OF Spiritual KNOWLEDGE, IT IS Gods, Approved Scriptural Written WORD.

IN the CASE OF Spiritual UNDERSTANDING, IT IS, THE Lord God Himself, WHO GIVES the man, (WHO Accepts Gods Word IS True), Gods UNDERSTANDING of His OWN Word.

In YOUR Case…
You Repeatedly Demand the KNOWLEDGE be Presented TO YOU, “in your words” and “in which passage YOU want to READ your words”.

BECAUSE Gods KNOWLEDGE, IS Written
IN His Approved Words…
FOR men WHO Trust TO BELIEVE His WORDS…
AND BECAUSE Gods UNDERSTANDING IS ONLY Given “individual men” FROM the Lord God Himself…

YOU… Have created umpteen THREADS, Have thousands of POSTS…
NEVER revealing YOUR “Standing”…
WHILE demanding They WITH “Standing, IN Gods Salvation, Knowledge, Understanding”…
PROVE …to your satisfaction…WHY THEY HAVE what you do Not…
* And Thus YOU DO WHAT the Ignorant Do…
Complain, Whine, Demand, Accuse…
* And Thus BECOME the SAVED’s Example of Tribulation, IN THIS WORLD.

John 16:
[33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Rom 5:
[3] And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation
worketh patience;

Your Demands, Insults and Accusing you call “fun”… is EXPECTED, From “they” whose Standing IS NOT With US IN Christ.

Your “fun” diminishes or Affects NOT one IOTA my cheer, overcoming, comfort With and IN Christ and WHAT He HAS Prepared FOR me.

Glory to God,
Taken

They who NOW ARE SAVED…
*KNOW, When, How, Why They ARE SAVED.
now lets examine this . The sheep surely do know they are saved and by Whom and HOW they are saved .
HIS NAME BE JESUS CHRIST .
but tell me , go ahead taken and tell me
WHY are so many even in this realm of christendom
NOW sitting under , even supporting , AN ENTITY thas has DENIED the DIRE NEED for to BELIEVE ON THIS CHRIST JESUS
by giving out a lie to all the false religoins as well as to christendom
that we all BE serving the same GOD , that the god of the muslim , the god of any religoin
IS no different than the GOD of the true christains . cause YOO HOO , THAT A LIE and only an anti christ would have said that
AS IT promised this peace plan , this peace of israel , this peace of the world to all .
SOMEONE been lying to this people . And that someone is the devil
and them someones are doing his work . And all under the guise that it is love , that its the love of GOD
that its the peace plan of GOD . SOMEONE lying taken . and it sure seems many are being taken right into
its all inclusive ecumencial intefaith web for world peace . That house coming down on JESUS day too .
So that is why i warn . Because i do not desire their death and destuction
but rather their repentance from it and faith IN CHRIST JESUS . We better bible up taken .
We better bible up . these leaders fleece every last one of who they sit over . Liberal or conservative
catholic or protestant , oh they are fleecing and fleecing they surely are my friend .

 

[Taken]

yes the implied meaning of rapture is in the scripture indeed .

What I Trust is The Knowledge is in Gods Word and the “meaning /Understanding”comes from the Lord God.

And so is this .
And by PEACE shall he , as in anti ch rist , destroy many . we better all watch out
for the global peace plan that the religoins and christendom , from jews to imams and leaders of christendome
now lead and guide this peoples .

If there be men who desire to agree to PEACE, I salute them… as God Himself Blesses Peace-Makers.

cause it aint NO peace plan of GOD ,

Yes. Peace Between men Gods Word Teaches to strive for….
While FULL WELL UNDERSTANDING…
“ENTIRE WORLD PEACE IN the Whole World and Among The ENTIRE POPULATION, will Be Accomplished BY God, IN Gods NEW World and IN HIS Faithful Restored and Quickened Inhabitants of such New World”.

it has DENEID HIS PLAN OF PEACE…

Disagree.

 

[WPM]

They who NOW ARE SAVED…
*KNOW, When, How, Why They ARE SAVED.

They
*SPIRITUALLY UNDERSTAND When, Why, How, WHAT “THEIR SAVIOR” HAS PREPARED “FOR THEM”.

You @WPM (and others) stand outside THE DOOR…
WONDERING, DEMANDING, men WHO HAVE Entered Through the Door…GIVE YOU
“WRITTEN” SCRIPTURAL “UNDERSTANDING” of WHAT, When, Why, “THEIR Savior” Has Prepared FOR THEM”.

The KNOWLEDGE IS WRITTEN IN Scripture. You have Repeatedly been Referenced, Given, Shown “THE KNOWLEDGE”…

You have Repeatedly Rejected “THE KNOWLEDGE”…
And It is NOT for THE SAVED to WONDER WHY you reject the Knowledge…

They WHO ARE SAVED, ALREADY KNOW…
“In ANY scenario “UNDERSTANDING” ALWAYS comes AFTER, Accepting the kNOWLEDGE received to be TRUE.

IN the CASE OF Spiritual KNOWLEDGE, IT IS Gods, Approved Scriptural Written WORD.

IN the CASE OF Spiritual UNDERSTANDING, IT IS, THE Lord God Himself, WHO GIVES the man, (WHO Accepts Gods Word IS True), Gods UNDERSTANDING of His OWN Word.

In YOUR Case…
You Repeatedly Demand the KNOWLEDGE be Presented TO YOU, “in your words” and “in which passage YOU want to READ your words”.

BECAUSE Gods KNOWLEDGE, IS Written
IN His Approved Words…
FOR men WHO Trust TO BELIEVE His WORDS…
AND BECAUSE Gods UNDERSTANDING IS ONLY Given “individual men” FROM the Lord God Himself…

YOU… Have created umpteen THREADS, Have thousands of POSTS…
NEVER revealing YOUR “Standing”…
WHILE demanding They WITH “Standing, IN Gods Salvation, Knowledge, Understanding”…
PROVE …to your satisfaction…WHY THEY HAVE what you do Not…
* And Thus YOU DO WHAT the Ignorant Do…
Complain, Whine, Demand, Accuse…
* And Thus BECOME the SAVED’s Example of Tribulation, IN THIS WORLD.

John 16:
[33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Rom 5:
[3] And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation
worketh patience;

Your Demands, Insults and Accusing you call “fun”… is EXPECTED, From “they” whose Standing IS NOT With US IN Christ.

Your “fun” diminishes or Affects NOT one IOTA my cheer, overcoming, comfort With and IN Christ and WHAT He HAS Prepared FOR me.

Glory to God,
Taken

I am not playing your evasive games. This is a Bible discussion forum, particularly dedicated to discussing eschatology. If you cannot support what you claim that is an indictment on what you have been taught. I am trying to get you to outline your beliefs with hard Scripture - which is near impossible.

Everyone knows, including Pretribulationalists, that Pretrib is not in the Bible. It is a theory that must be taught. The fact that most Pretribbers today have rejected the teaching of their fathers - that Revelation 4:1 is the Pretrib rapture – is testimony to the fact that the whole doctrine is a fallacy.

 

[CrowCross]

We note three particular characteristics of this day, which will be repeated at the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. (1) The wicked lived as if there was no judgement coming, verse 38 says, “they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage.” (2) The wicked were caught unexpected, verse 39 says, they “knew not until the flood came.” And finally, (3) the wicked were ALL destroyed, verse 39 says, “the flood came, and took them all away.”

The days before the coming of Christ will see the wicked at ease living in pleasure, sin and carelessness, with no thought of eternity. The everyday occurrences of life (like eating, drinking and marriage) will continue as normal right up until Jesus comes. Christ's coming is going to catch the wicked unexpectedly. His arrival will surprise only those who are not prepared for it. The wrath of God is sudden and totally destructive. No one survives as this passage tells us.

When I read what you wrote you sound like a pre-trib guy.

But for some strange reason...pride??? You still seem to be presenting the end of the tribulation as .....normal days.
Sheeze dude....the world at the termination of the tribulation, that is, at the end of Revelation just went through dreadfully horrible times. Have you not read the book of Revelation?

 

[WPM]

When I read what you wrote you sound like a pre-trib guy.

But for some strange reason...pride??? You still seem to be presenting the end of the tribulation as .....normal days.
Sheeze dude....the world at the termination of the tribulation, that is, at the end of Revelation just went through dreadfully horrible times. Have you not read the book of Revelation?

Thanks for at least replying to part of one of my posts of my 3 detailed responses to your thesis (#2712 - #2714) that i had to re-present 3 times. That is slight progress in the right direction!

1. So, where is your Pretrib rapture in Revelation?
2. Where is your 3rd coming corroboration for your opinion of Revelation 19?

These are elementary 101 questions in regard to your beliefs.

 

[CrowCross]

White horse coming of Christ

Revelation is full of unique and obscure symbolism that is found nowhere else in the Bible. That is because apocalyptic language is highly figurative and it depicts spiritual realities in the past present or future. You claim to have 22 references to a third coming of Jesus, yet you have not been able to show us one that mentions a white horse. That totally negates your whole argument. That is pretty common in Pretrib. The gallows they build to hang Postrib on is what they normally end up hanging on.

You hung on your own gallows above by failing to show us any corroboration for your claim of biblical support from other scriptural texts for a 3rd white horse coming of Christ and the saints, even though you chided Postribbers for not having the same and claiming you had 22 examples. More noise, zero substance and sheer hypocrisy and duplicity.

Yes I could post 22 verses speaking of the return of Jesus at the conclusion of the tribulation.
I could also post about 25 verses concerning the pre-trib rapture of the Church....Let's say almost 50 verses speaking of BOTH returns.

Then you claim I have not mentioned a white horse? Why do you need to distort the truth? Make up "facts"?

As you know Rev 19 speaks of Jesus returning on a white horse. It starts off like this....11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse!

Heck, I even posted pictures of how people depict Jesus return on a white horse...and you simply thumbed your nose at the pictures.

Are you now saying Jesus will not return on a white horse?

 

[CrowCross]

The wrath of God is not something believers experience because they are under God’s blessing and protection. God preserves His people. The shepherd is invested in His sheep.

Yes, pre-trib christians are removed from the judgement of God....why would God judge them if He has already declared them innocent?

That would be like saying....you're forgiven but I'm still going to send you to hell.

 

[WPM]

Yes I could post 22 verses speaking of the return of Jesus at the conclusion of the tribulation.
I could also post about 25 verses concerning the pre-trib rapture of the Church....Let's say almost 50 verses speaking of BOTH returns.

Then you claim I have not mentioned a white horse? Why do you need to distort the truth? Make up "facts"?

As you know Rev 19 speaks of Jesus returning on a white horse. It starts off like this....11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse!

Heck, I even posted pictures of how people depict Jesus return on a white horse...and you simply thumbed your nose at the pictures.

Are you now saying Jesus will not return on a white horse?

Ok. Forget about the white horse requirement.

1. Can you present the 22 verses (or similar) speaking of the return of Jesus at the conclusion of the tribulation?
2. Can you present the about 25 verses concerning the pre-trib rapture of the Church?

Pretrib AI generated pictures are totally inadmissable. They are as relevant and evidential as Doung's faulty charts.

 

[WPM]

Yes, pre-trib christians are removed from the judgement of God....why would God judge them if He has already declared them innocent?

That would be like saying....you're forgiven but I'm still going to send you to hell.

Pretribulationists often get confused in that they identify the “wrath of God” with some supposed seven-year tribulation period after the coming of Christ. They speak of “the tribulation period” as if it is the time of God’s wrath upon all mankind, therefore necessitating the removal of the saints from the earth in order for God to exercise His judgment. This belief has emanated out of a wrong understanding of the highly symbolic book of Revelation rather than clear or consistent New Testament teaching on the matter.

One of the arguments advanced by Pretribbers for a Pretrib Rapture is the reasoning that the righteous must be rescued prior to the tribulation, as God can’t pour His wrath out upon the righteous. However, if there was a post-second coming seven year great tribulation as commonly defined by Pretribbers, then the wrath of God is undoubtedly upon now-believing national Israel and the righteous tribulation saints.

 

[Taken]

They who NOW ARE SAVED…
*KNOW, When, How, Why They ARE SAVED.
now lets examine this . The sheep surely do know they are saved and by Whom and HOW they are saved .
HIS NAME BE JESUS CHRIST .
but tell me , go ahead taken and tell me
WHY are so many even in this realm of christendom
NOW sitting under , even supporting , AN ENTITY thas has DENIED the DIRE NEED for to BELIEVE ON THIS CHRIST JESUS
by giving out a lie to all the false religoins as well as to christendom
that we all BE serving the same GOD , that the god of the muslim , the god of any religoin
IS no different than the GOD of the true christains . cause YOO HOO , THAT A LIE and only an anti christ would have said that
AS IT promised this peace plan , this peace of israel , this peace of the world to all .
SOMEONE been lying to this people . And that someone is the devil.
and them someones are doing his work . And all under the guise that it is love , that its the love of GOD
that its the peace plan of GOD . SOMEONE lying taken . and it sure seems many are being taken right into
its all inclusive ecumencial intefaith web for world peace . That house coming down on JESUS day too .
So that is why i warn . Because i do not desire their death and destuction
but rather their repentance from it and faith IN CHRIST JESUS .

Your knowledge is partially True…your Understanding is warped.

Individuals DO have Different “gods”, Different “beliefs”…

POLITICAL DIPLOMACY is a WAY / Means For Chiefs of Different Nations AND Different Religious Beliefs to Foster PEACE Agreements “DESPITE THEIR THEIR DIFFERENCES!

You preaching, repetitively day after day…
All POLITICAL DIPLOMATIC PEACE TALKS Among Nations Chiefs…ARE MAKING Religious Deals…FOR a nation’s People TO YEILD IN Belief to an OTHER People’s “god”… is a crock of BS.

We better bible up taken .

Not “we”… yes “YOU”.
*Learn… God Established “FREEWILL”
*Learn….No Nations Chief, CAN MAKE or FORCE an Individual, TO personally Believe IN or NOT Believe IN the Lord God Almighty,
*Learn…Believers IN the Lord God Almighty and Believers in Other gods…continually promote and influence others to JOIN with “their” God, “their” gods…WITHOUT ONE consideration OF their “political Standing or nations citizenry”.
* IF YOU want or YOU do Not want to Join IN Agreement With “OTHER” gods…
That is YOUR FREEWILL to exercise that choice.

We better bible up .

You (repetitively) Preaching TO the Saved IN Christ Jesus…and Already Joined with the Lord God Almighty…
[/B] To open the Bible, get back to the Bible… [/B] IS AS ignorant and Irritating as you having Finished Eating your Supper… to be hounded and ignorantly Repetitively Told TO EAT your supper!

Do you require being told over and over TO DO what You already DO?

I don’t.

My Political Chief, has NEVER ONCE, preached, announced, implied, required, me TO deny my Lord God Almighty and Join up with Other gods.

these leaders fleece every last one of who they sit over . Liberal or conservative
catholic or protestant , oh they are fleecing and fleecing they surely are my friend .

So you say.
Be a big boy, choose as you please, and stop preaching to the choir to get to doing what they already do!

And for the SAKE of those Already IN Christ the Lord Jesus, Stop preaching … (some men are preaching Almighty God and other gods are one and the same.)…
Their teaching…
Is NOT a Secret!
Is NOT news!
Is NOT my interest to hear you repeat over and over to me to ad nauseam what I already Know…and what I already do.

 

[Taken]

I am not playing your evasive games. This is a Bible discussion forum, particularly dedicated to discussing eschatology. If you cannot support what you claim that is an indictment on what you have been taught. I am trying to get you to outline your beliefs with hard Scripture - which is near impossible.

Everyone knows, including Pretribulationalists, that Pretrib is not in the Bible. It is a theory that must be taught. The fact that most Pretribbers today have rejected the teaching of their fathers - that Revelation 4:1 is the Pretrib rapture – is testimony to the fact that the whole doctrine is a fallacy.

Poor delusional thing…amusing you announcing “you Know what Christs Bride Knows…”

You should have Learned;
Jesus IS of the Jewish Race.
Jesus IS Faithful to God.
Jesus Follows the Jewish Tradition God Establish For A Jewish Marriage.

You should have Learned…A Bride makes Herself Ready for her Groom.
The Groom Prepares For His Bride.
The Groom sends his Servants to Escort the (Readied) Bride From Her Fathers House to The Grooms Fathers House…
Her veil is Removed, to meet her Groom face to face and Receive the Wedded Blessing of The Grooms Father.

I am the Bride…
I am in my Father Abraham’s House ON Earth, ready, for my Grooms Servants to Call and Escort me to Meet my Groom, in His Fathers House, and become Wedded in the Presence of and with the Blessing of my Grooms Father.

It matters NOT one iota, what you learn, don’t Learn, know, don’t know, believe, don’t believe, understand, don’t understand, are ready for, are not ready for…
Are, snarky, ignorant, accusatory…
I am fully secure and content IN my Lord and Saviors Established Plan for me.
Just as Gods plan FOR you will manifest in your due time.

If that be… you on Earth Suffering Gods Sent Tribulations…
The Lambs Wrath
The devils wrath
Woes
Gods Wrath…
You…and others not committed now… Will surely discover your fate in due time.

Don't be mad…and all huffy, Because I have my Saviors Assurance and you are still wondering and side eyed, that people you are NOT WITH, can Not Give you understanding of Their Destiny.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[WPM]

Poor delusional thing…amusing you announcing “you Know what Christs Bride Knows…”

You should have Learned;
Jesus IS of the Jewish Race.
Jesus IS Faithful to God.
Jesus Follows the Jewish Tradition God Establish For A Jewish Marriage.

You should have Learned…A Bride makes Herself Ready for her Groom.
The Groom Prepares For His Bride.
The Groom sends his Servants to Escort the (Readied) Bride From Her Fathers House to The Grooms Fathers House…
Her veil is Removed, to meet her Groom face to face and Receive the Wedded Blessing of The Grooms Father.

I am the Bride…
I am in my Father Abraham’s House ON Earth, ready, for my Grooms Servants to Call and Escort me to Meet my Groom, in His Fathers House, and become Wedded in the Presence of and with the Blessing of my Grooms Father.

It matters NOT one iota, what you learn, don’t Learn, know, don’t know, believe, don’t believe, understand, don’t understand, are ready for, are not ready for…
Are, snarky, ignorant, accusatory…
I am fully secure and content IN my Lord and Saviors Established Plan for me.
Just as Gods plan FOR you will manifest in your due time.

If that be… you on Earth Suffering Gods Sent Tribulations…
The Lambs Wrath
The devils wrath
Woes
Gods Wrath…
You…and others not committed now… Will surely discover your fate in due time.

Don't be mad…and all huffy, Because I have my Saviors Assurance and you are still wondering and side eyed, that people you are NOT WITH, can Not Give you understanding of Their Destiny.

Glory to God,
Taken

Any Scripture to support this? It seems not. Your posts are totally bereft of the inspired text.

 

[CrowCross]

Ok. Forget about the white horse requirement.

1. Can you present the 22 verses (or similar) speaking of the return of Jesus at the conclusion of the tribulation?
2. Can you present the about 25 verses concerning the pre-trib rapture of the Church?

Pretrib AI generated pictures are totally inadmissable. They are as relevant and evidential as Doung's faulty charts.

Yes I can....but I'm not going to take the time and create a list for you just so you can pridefully thumb your nose at it.

 

[CrowCross]

the wrath of God is undoubtedly upon now-believing national Israel and the righteous tribulation saints.

So, we're currently in the 7 year tribulation? Or are we currently in the 1000 year reign?

 

[Taken]

Thanks for at least replying to part of one of my posts of my 3 detailed responses to your thesis (#2712 - #2714) that i had to re-present 3 times. That is slight progress in the right direction!

1. So, where is your Pretrib rapture in Revelation?
2. Where is your 3rd coming corroboration for your opinion of Revelation 19?

These are elementary 101 questions in regard to your beliefs.

Those are ignorant questions…
Your demands, your words, you want to see proof of your words in Gods Particular Books…

There is NO rapture in Revelations!
There was ONE coming TO Earth of the Lord JESUS in the Likeness as a man…
There IS only ONE return TO Earth of the Lord JESUS in the Likeness as a man.


Stop asking for what is not in Gods Word.
Sheesh!

 

[WPM]

Yes I can....but I'm not going to take the time and create a list for you just so you can pridefully thumb your nose at it.

I honestly do not know what your 2nd coming and 3rd coming texts are. I only see one future coming. You are going to have to list them.

 

[WPM]

So, we're currently in the 7 year tribulation? Or are we currently in the 1000 year reign?

Where does the Bible teach a 7 year tribulation after the coming of Christ? And, yes, we are currently in the symbolic 1000 year reign of Christ.

 

[WPM]

Those are ignorant questions…
Your demands, your words, you want to see proof of your words in Gods Particular Books…

There is NO rapture in Revelations!
There was ONE coming TO Earth of the Lord JESUS in the Likeness as a man…
There IS only ONE return TO Earth of the Lord JESUS in the Likeness as a man.


Stop asking for what is not in Gods Word.
Sheesh!

Ok. So, do you not believe in the catching away of the saints when Jesus comes?