Which is worse, murder or eternal torture?

[Episkopos]

If you're not prepared to murder somebody due to the golden rule, how can you be prepared to torture somebody for eternity?

Can someone who's found Jesus please ask him for me.

There is no eternal conscious torment. That is a doctrine meant to scare people into conforming to the church hierarchy. But the truth is fearsome enough. The wicked are killed outright in the lake of fire...this is the second death.

The eternal judgment of being separated from God is based on God's own house. Eternal darkness awaits those who sully God's name by preaching lies and working for the devil who divides God's people into factions. Because of these God is blasphemed among the nations.

The ones who love and are merciful will be shown mercy and inherit life among the nations.

And the saints will rule over them.

 

[Mancunian]

He believes “Paul invented the concept of eternal torture.” Paul is a stumbling block for him.

Although he didn't use the words Gehenna or Hades, some theologians argue that Paul's descriptions of "wrath", "vengeance," and being shut out from the presence of God effectively describe the same ultimate reality of damnation and conscious punishment, even if he used different vocabulary.

Jesus used the word Gehenna, Paul took it a step further.

 

[Mancunian]

Paul didn't know Jesus, correct me if I'm wrong but there's no evidence that their paths crossed in Jesus' lifetime.
Paul only saw Jesus after his death in a vision and became a self proclaimed apostle.

 

[Matthias]

Although he didn't use the words Gehenna or Hades, some theologians argue that Paul's descriptions of "wrath", "vengeance," and being shut out from the presence of God effectively describe the same ultimate reality of damnation and conscious punishment, even if he used different vocabulary.

Paul breaks his silence on Gehenna - Afterlife | Conditional Immortality

In “Paul breaks his silence on Gehenna” Jefferson Vann explains Paul’s teaching on the final destiny of the lost. Jesus often preached about Gehenna (γέεννα) — the hell where the wicked will be sent in the future to be finally punished and destroyed by fire (Matthew 5:22, 29-30; 10:28; 18:9...

www.afterlife.co.nz

Jesus used the word Gehenna, Paul took it a step further.

Jesus and Paul are in agreement. If the Church of England didn’t teach you that then the Church of England was derelict.

 

[Matthias]

Paul didn't know Jesus, correct me if I'm wrong but there's no evidence that their paths crossed in Jesus' lifetime.
Paul only saw Jesus after his death in a vision and became a self proclaimed apostle.

Paul wasn’t a self-proclaimed apostle. He was accepted as an apostle by the other apostles.

 

[Mancunian]

Those theologians are wrong.

Paul breaks his silence on Gehenna - Afterlife | Conditional Immortality

In “Paul breaks his silence on Gehenna” Jefferson Vann explains Paul’s teaching on the final destiny of the lost. Jesus often preached about Gehenna (γέεννα) — the hell where the wicked will be sent in the future to be finally punished and destroyed by fire (Matthew 5:22, 29-30; 10:28; 18:9...

www.afterlife.co.nz

Jesus and Paul are in agreement. If the Church of England didn’t teach you that then the Church of England was derelict.

What is everlasting destruction?
Doesn't sound like an abrupt end to me...

I've been told that Paul meant eternal punishment by some Christians and meant a second death by others....
Which is it?
It's quite hard to make the distinction from Colossians.

 

[Lambano]

What is everlasting destruction?
Doesn't sound like an abrupt end to me...

I've been told that Paul meant eternal punishment by some Christians and meant a second death by others....
Which is it?
It's quite hard to make the distinction from Colossians.

Permanant.

 

[Mancunian]

Permanant.

Permanent death or permanent torture?

 

[Lambano]

Permanent death or permanent torture?

It says, "permanent destruction". Which, as an atheist, you were pretty much resigned to anyway, right?

 

[Matthias]

What is everlasting destruction?
Doesn't sound like an abrupt end to me...

I've been told that Paul meant eternal punishment by some Christians and meant a second death by others....
Which is it?
It's quite hard to make the distinction from Colossians.

Are you re-interested in learning?

 

[Mancunian]

It says, "permanent destruction". Which, as an atheist, you were pretty much resigned to anyway, right?

Yes, that sounds more appealing than the other two options.

 

[Mancunian]

Are you re-interested in learning?

I'm always ready to learn.

 

[Matthias]

Yes, that sounds more appealing than the other two options.

Do you understand why there will be crying and gnashing of teeth?

 

[Matthias]

I'm always ready to learn.

Good, but that’s not what you said a few days ago.

 

[Mancunian]

Good, but that’s not what you said a few days ago.

You were getting on my nerves.

 

[Mancunian]

Do you understand why there will be crying and gnashing of teeth?

Not really, please go ahead and explain.

 

[Matthias]

You were getting on my nerves.

Why was I getting on your nerves? What do you think has changed between then and now?

 

[Matthias]

Not really, please go ahead and explain.

You will know that it didn’t have to be that way and you will be angry about it.