When Doctrine Corrects Christ
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Isaac, the confirmation of the Covenant that God entered in with Abraham, was born in the solar year 2,049 after the creation of Adam, (AA) or in a dating system we have adopted, in the year 2052 BC. Now if we accept that some of Abraham's descendants established themselves in the Land of Canaan in the solar year 1948 AD then in the solar year from when Isaac was born until some of Abraham descendants returned to the land exactly 4,000 solar years past.
Now Exodus 20:4-6 foretells us that the visitation of the fathers' iniquities will be upon their children and the children's children during the third and the fourth generations/ages of their existence. When did the visitation of the Fathers' iniquities begin? They began at the start of the third generation/age/day of the Lord in the year 4097 AA of the nation of Israel or in the year 4 BC, which is also the fifth generation /age/Day of the Lord of the existence of all of mankind, and the visitation of these iniquities will end 2,048 solar years later in the year 6,144 AA or in 2044 AD.
As such some of Abraham's descendants returned to the Land of Canaan 96 years before the completion of the fourth generation/age/day of the Lord of the visitation of the fathers' iniquities.
How did I come to this understanding? By my careful study of the scriptures from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 and understanding where contextual inaccuracies required to be corrected with our current "Bible Translations." Matthew 24:34 is one verse where the contextual inaccuracies occur, particularly when we apply today's conventions on the meaning of the English word used to translate the Greek Text into English words.
I have not displaced Christ from His place in scripture or in the historical record. All that I have done is placed Christ in His righteous place in our understanding of Him and His works.
Shalom
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Thank you for your expressed understanding. Sadly, you lose me with your ponderings.
ScottA
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The well of knowledge is deep...but if you can connect even those few (above), the rest will come.
No kidding. I’ve been trying to explain that to you for fifteen pages.
If “doctrine correcting Christ” is satanic, then you’ve already stated the punchline.
Thats exactly the problem.
Your doctrine makes Christ say things He never said, relocates His words to people He never identified, and then uses Paul as though Paul can be interpreted to override the plain words of Christ Himself.
At that point Christ is no longer the infallible Lord defining the doctrine.
He's been reduced to a fallible teacher whose words must be corrected by the system.
You supplied the verdict yourself:
“When doctrine corrects Christ, it’s satanic.”
Then you know THIS GENERATION is the LAST! The 'times of the Gentiles' were fulfilled, Israel has Jerusalem! Israel is Home to stay in the Land of the Bible. The return of Israel to it's Home, the Mark of the Beast, cashless society. This is the terminal generation!
Yea, lets get it all out Jack...
Your system created this nightmare; not God’s Word.
It taught generation after generation to reinterpret Christ through headlines, wars, modern geopolitical Israel, technology, and fear, then call the result “what Jesus meant.”
Christ said “this generation.”
Your system said:
“No! He meant us!”
And that's the moment doctrine stopped serving Christ and started rewriting Him.
Once the system is allowed to overrule His plain words, Christ is no longer the authority.
The system is.
And that's exactly how doctrine ends up correcting the Lord it claims to follow.
It has conditioned generations of Christians to live in perpetual suspicion that every war, technology, government, payment system, and headline is another piece of the apocalypse.
That isn’t faith producing peace. That's a theology producing paranoia about death and catastrophe.
When a doctrine needs the world to become a dangerous nightmare in order to prove itself right, something has gone catastrophically wrong Jack.
If you said "correcting Christ is Satanic," then imagine what rewriting Him is!!?!
Your system:
Silences Him.
Corrects Him.
Makes Him fallible.
And then it REWRITES GOD’S WORDS!
I mean, if we go by your standard, then I guess we need a word even stronger than “satanic” for a system that manages to do all four of those things.
When the Mark of the Beast is soon BANGING on your door, remember you were warned! Which do you prefer, a chip implant or an electronic tatoo?
The only thing I’ll remember is watching a misled, fear-driven prophecy system manufacture exactly the nightmare it keeps warning everyone about.
You keep pointing to chips, tattoos, cashless systems, wars, and headlines as though panic itself proves the doctrine.
It doesn’t.
Fear is not exegesis.
Paranoia is not prophecy.
And repeating a system louder does not make it God’s Word.
If this whole worldview has to frighten people into believing it, while continually overruling the words Christ actually spoke, then the problem is not that I failed to heed the warning.
The problem is that the warning came from the system, not from Christ.
I mean SERIOUSLY Jack?!? >
“AD 70?”
“Pfffft. Didn’t count.”
“What?”
“Jesus was talking about US.”
“Us?”
“He has to be. Otherwise He was wrong.”
"Wrong?!? Wait a minute! So instead of admitting your interpretation is wrong, you change who Jesus was talking to so Jesus won’t look wrong?!?!?"
"Exactly."
“…And you don’t see the huge, dangerous problem with that?!!?”
“Not at all. You've just got to understand our system."
^ And now imagine the very people who were duped into this system in the first place are the ones writing the “pRoPheCy ChArTs” that aren't even worth the paper they were written-on while influencing decisions that can endanger the entire planet!
All while NOT FOLLOWING GOD’S WORD,
while overriding Christ’s actual words,
and while, in practice, rewriting them to keep the system alive.
God help us.
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There may still be hope for you tho, if you refuse the Mark!
Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
When you said “When doctrine corrects Christ, it’s satanic!” you said a mouthful, let me tell you.
If you projected any harder, you might split the earth in half.
You keep warning everyone else about judgment while defending a system that, by your own standard, silences Christ, corrects Christ, makes Him fallible, and rewrites His words.
So before you warn me about your manufactured rapture scenario, you might want to ask which doctrine is actually standing in judgment here.
Because your own standard has already condemned the system you’re defending.
How long have you loved telling lies? I quote Jesus. Who do you quote? You?
Keep that right hand nice and clean!
Revelation 13:16-17
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
It's coming for you!
You just demonstrated the entire problem in one post.
I asked you one very simple question:
Where did JESUS define “this generation” as a 1,024-year prophetic age?
Not: Where can you build a chronology?
Not: How many solar years can you calculate from Isaac?
Not: How many passages can you connect across thousands of years of biblical history?
Not: What private numerical system have you constructed after studying Genesis through Revelation?
I asked:
WHERE DID JESUS SAY IT?
And instead of giving me Jesus saying it, you gave me:Isaac's calculated birth year,
4,000 solar years,
Exodus 20,
“generations/ages/days of the Lord,”
a 2,044-year visitation period,
1948,
2044,
and finally the staggering declaration that Matthew 24:34 itself contains a “contextual inaccuracy” which must be corrected.
There it is.
The whole issue has finally been dragged into daylight.
Jesus says:
“THIS generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”
And your answer is effectively: “You can't understand that statement by reading what Jesus actually said according to the normal meaning of the words. First you must accept my chronology, my equations, my definitions of generations/ages/days, my historical calculations, and my correction of the text's apparent meaning.”
That is not explaining Jesus.
That's putting a system between the reader and Jesus and then requiring Jesus to speak through the system.
And by Jack's own stated standard, if changing God's Word rather than submitting to it is “satanic,” then that standard doesn't suddenly stop applying when the alteration comes wrapped in chronology, mathematics, and prophetic terminology.That standard cuts both ways.
You can't accuse other people of correcting Christ and then turn around and tell us that Christ's own sentence requires correction before we're allowed to understand what He meant.
That's the very thing under dispute.
Genesis 15:16 says:
“in the fourth generation.”
It does not say: “A biblical generation is 1,024 solar years.”
Exodus 20:5 speaks of: “the third and fourth generation.”
It does not say: “generation = age = Day of the Lord = 1,024 solar years.”
Those equations are yours.
Jesus never gives them.
Jesus never tells His disciples:
“When I say ‘this generation,’ do not understand the expression as you normally would. Instead, calculate thousands of years from Isaac, convert generations into prophetic ages, identify those ages with Days of the Lord, construct a chronology reaching into the twentieth and twenty-first centuries, correct the conventional meaning of my words, and you will eventually discover that I am actually speaking about people living thousands of years after you.”
He never says anything remotely like that.
That instruction doesn't exist.
And the context makes the problem worse, not better.Jesus says in Matthew 23:36: “Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon THIS generation.”
Then what happens?
He immediately leaves the Temple.
He predicts the destruction of that Temple.
His disciples ask Him about it.
And He begins speaking directly to them about what they will hear, what they will see, what they will experience, and when they should flee!
Then Luke makes the audience relationship almost painfully explicit:
Luke 21:20
“When YE shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies…”
Not: “When people 2,000 years from now see…”
Not: “When the 1,024-year prophetic generation eventually arrives…”
Not: “When a mathematical reconstruction finally identifies the proper age…”
YE.
Then:
Luke 21:31
“When YE see these things come to pass…”
And then:
Luke 21:32
“Verily I say unto you, THIS generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.”
There's the chain.
YOU see Jerusalem surrounded.
YOU see these things happening.
THIS generation will not pass until all is fulfilled.
That's what the text actually gives us.Against that, you've supplied an enormous private chronological reconstruction and then announced that the ordinary meaning of Christ's own words can't be trusted because Matthew 24:34 contains a “contextual inaccuracy” requiring correction.
Do you understand how serious that claim is?
You were asked to produce a statement from Jesus supporting your definition.
Instead, you produced a system that requires us to reinterpret Jesus before Jesus is allowed to speak.
And then you wrote: “All that I have done is placed Christ in His righteous place in our understanding of Him and His works.”
No.
Christ does not need you, me, a chronology, a prophecy chart, a mathematical reconstruction, or anybody else to “place” Him into His proper position.
Christ speaks.
Our systems submit.
Not the other way around.If your chronology conflicts with the ordinary force of Christ's words, then the burden is on the chronology.
You don't get to declare Christ's statement contextually defective and then congratulate yourself for putting Christ back where He belongs.
The chronology has to bow to Christ.
Christ does not bow to the chronology.
So after all the calculations, all the solar years, all the generations/ages/days, all the dates, and all the claims about translation problems, we arrive right back where we started:
WHERE DID JESUS SAY THAT “THIS GENERATION” MEANS A 1,024-YEAR PROPHETIC AGE?
Book.Chapter.
Verse.
Because: “I studied the entire Bible and constructed a system which tells me Jesus' words must mean something different from what they naturally communicate”
is not Jesus defining the expression.
It's not exegesis merely because the calculation is elaborate.
It's not Jesus speaking merely because Scripture was used to construct it.
And it's not submission to Christ if Christ's words must first be corrected to make the system survive.
That's you defining the expression for Him.
And until you can produce Jesus actually saying it, 1,024 years is your number. Not His.
@The Gospel of Christ
Thank you for your long rant demanding where the words of Christ indicated a time period of 1,024 solar years. The proposition that you have posed is that our meaning today of the Greek Root Word "Genea" has the meaning of "one descendant generation," without defining how long this time period is.
When Jesus was teaching about discipleship, Matthew records His words thus: -
Now in verse 28 above, highlighted with yellow, can you tell me what the timeframe Jesus was using in this verse. What time period will pass in this verse. Is Jesus pointing to a time around three generation, three age or three Days of the Lord from His first Advent?
What is the second underlying meaning that Jesus is giving in the silence of this verse?
What was the understanding of Matthew and the other disciples of verse 28 above? Did their understanding of this verse change after Christ's resurection when they remembered what He had taught or said?
Can you tell us the time period that Jesus was referencing in verse 28 above?
I am interested in what your response will be.
Shalom
Thank you for your long rant demanding where the words of Christ indicated a time period of 1,024 solar years. The proposition that you have posed is that our meaning today of the Greek Root Word "Genea" has the meaning of "one descendant generation," without defining how long this time period is.
When Jesus was teaching about discipleship, Matthew records His words thus: -
Now in verse 28 above, highlighted with yellow, can you tell me what the timeframe Jesus was using in this verse. What time period will pass in this verse. Is Jesus pointing to a time around three generation, three age or three Days of the Lord from His first Advent?
What is the second underlying meaning that Jesus is giving in the silence of this verse?
What was the understanding of Matthew and the other disciples of verse 28 above? Did their understanding of this verse change after Christ's resurection when they remembered what He had taught or said?
Can you tell us the time period that Jesus was referencing in verse 28 above?
I am interested in what your response will be.
Shalom
No, Jay.
You still haven't answered the question:
Where did JESUS define “this generation” as 1,024 solar years?
Now you've moved to Matthew 16:28, which doesn't even contain the word genea.That verse says nothing about:
three generations,
three ages,
three Days of the Lord,
or 1,024 solar years.
You even ask for the “underlying meaning... in the silence of this verse.”
That's the problem.
I'm asking what Jesus said.
You're asking me to manufacture your doctrine out of Christ's silence and then pretend Jesus taught it.
Matthew 24:34 says: “THIS generation.”
Not “an age.”
Not “a prophetic period.”
Not “a Day of the Lord.”
Not “1,024 years.”
And the surrounding discourse says:
“when YE shall see...”
“when YE see these things...”
then:
“THIS generation shall not pass...”
So we're right back where we started:
Where did Jesus say “this generation” means 1,024 solar years?
Book. Chapter. Verse. >
Until then, 1,024 years is your number. Not His.
Just think of all the people The goc is leading to the Mark of the Beast! Won't Judgment Day be interesting!
Revelation 13:16-17
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
But again, nobody seems to believe The goc! Thank you Yeshua!
Revelation 13:16-17
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
But again, nobody seems to believe The goc! Thank you Yeshua!
Jack,
Until you can prove from the text that Jesus was talking about you and your generation thousands of years later, every prophetic conclusion you build on that assumption may as well be Star Wars.
Because if the transfer is invented, everything downstream from it is fiction too.
And there's an even bigger problem:
If Jesus actually meant your generation while speaking directly to His own disciples and repeatedly saying “you” and “this generation,” then His words to them were misleading at best and mistaken at worst.
And if Christ was mistaken about the timing and audience of His own prophecy, then Christ is fallible.
And if Christ is fallible, you've just destroyed the very claim that He is the Son of God.
So before another prophecy chart, another appeal to Revelation, or another imported system:
Book. Chapter. Verse.
Where did Jesus transfer “this generation” from the people standing before Him to you, two thousand years later?
Until you can prove from the text that Jesus was talking about you and your generation thousands of years later, every prophetic conclusion you build on that assumption may as well be Star Wars.
Because if the transfer is invented, everything downstream from it is fiction too.
And there's an even bigger problem:
If Jesus actually meant your generation while speaking directly to His own disciples and repeatedly saying “you” and “this generation,” then His words to them were misleading at best and mistaken at worst.
And if Christ was mistaken about the timing and audience of His own prophecy, then Christ is fallible.
And if Christ is fallible, you've just destroyed the very claim that He is the Son of God.
So before another prophecy chart, another appeal to Revelation, or another imported system:
Book. Chapter. Verse.
Where did Jesus transfer “this generation” from the people standing before Him to you, two thousand years later?
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When the Mark of the Beast come BEATING on your door you'll have all the proof you need!
So you will accept the Mark of the Beast? No clear answer expected! Another smoke screen coming?
Revelation 14:9-11
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
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