Once saved always saved
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Peter it starts out in v40 with Jesus telling you the believer to be ready for his coming aka rapture.... then gives 2 examples of the same believer one hes ready and one hes not and shows you there are 2.differnet endings...
Keep teaching false Im done with such foolishness
Is your question in reference to believers saved 'today' by the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel ?
Christ in v40 says to be ready for his coming, has he come yet? No so it does apply to todays..... you make every excuse thats fine Im done with your absurd not gonna answer a simple yes or no to if the servant is the same one......
See people when you refuse to text yes or no to something as simple as ive been asking since page 4 that should tell you all you need to know..... this could of been answered on page 4 and move onto other things..... im done with these 2.....
""Christ in v40 says to be ready for his coming, has he come yet?""
NO.
1 Cor 15:51-52, 1 Thess 4:14-17
Christ will DESCEND into the clouds & the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 saved believers will ASCEND to meet Him there.
Taken
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Once saved always saved
Yes.
However the UNDERSTANDING of:
WHY SAVED ONLY ONCE…
is: NOT For the stiffednecked / stubborn.
who: Accept Carnal logical understanding OVER Heartful Spiritual Understanding.
OT.. Isa 6:
[9] And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Again in NT…Matt 13:
[14] And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Because:
OT…Ex 20:
[9] And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
Again in NT…Acts 7:
[51] Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Glory to God
Taken
Luke 13:23-24
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
We don't have to STRIVE to be saved. We have to STRIVE to stay saved!
OSAS? No way!
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
We don't have to STRIVE to be saved. We have to STRIVE to stay saved!
OSAS? No way!
Taken
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Taken
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Once saved always saved
Correct.
Scripture TEACHES…
* Salvation is a Gift of the Lord God.
Eph 2:
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
* Salvation is A Gift Given After Bodily Death.
1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
* Salvation Given, IS Salvation KEPT, by the Power of God.
1 John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
Glory to God,
Taken
You had to strive to be saved? Salvation is SIMPLE! No striving at all! You simply believe and confess!
Romans 10:9-10
9 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
You don't have to STRIVE to stay saved? That's a license to SIN!
Romans 11:17-21
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE MAY NOT SPARE YOU EITHER!
Written to Saints!
1 Timothy 4:1
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
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Taken
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Yes. Preparation For Salvation.
You Agreed With a “HEARTFELT Confession…”… To something you did NOT FIRST … strive… seriously… learn About?
No. Me striving IS MY effort, MY power.
Salvation Given By Christ IS Maintained / Kept by Christ… HIS Power.
LOL…No.
How silly.
Humans are naturally born IN Sin..
no license Required!!
Humans “IN” Christ…Also has “Christ” IN Them…
No Other Power Greater than Christ.
Sin forgiven, covered. Sin no more.
Yup. Many believe…and do not have Christ (Gods Power) IN them.
Remember…the Caveat…IF
Romans 10:9-10
9 ——-If ——-you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead,
And none of that Applies IF, a man Does not!
Such a man acts under his own power.. believe….and can Stop believing…
Called departing from the faith…
Salvation is not simple or a casual or flippant.
Rather a very Serious decision of Agreement…
OSAS:
1 Timothy 4:1
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
Amen Yeshua!
1 Timothy 4:1
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
Amen Yeshua!
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Ofcourse it does peter... in Luke verses 12:40-48 Jesus is talking about believers being ready for His coming..... the gathering together or rapture....
You keep up that only paul is for us today, yet faith comes by hearing all the gospel and faith in Jesus what He said and what He did and what was said about Him that gives us the information towards becoming believers.... how can I believe in Jesus unless I read who He is about and matt mark luke and john have the most information on Him.... I dont believe on Him based only what paul taught. Theres only 1 way to be saved no matter your Jew or Gentile.... the more I learn of Jesus the better I can decide if Hes the savior.
Did paul teach a different path to salvation than peter? Are the jews saved another way than gentiles? Isnt the only difference in where the 2 were starting from but both paths were the same direction....
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Exactly, since it is grace thru that same faith that saves and that makes a believer whoses saved, it stands that only a believer can depart from that point.... since unbelievers are always giving heed to doctrines of devils otherwise theyd be saved too. The Holy Spirit speaks here because it is from Him who people depart from....
JACK also said:
Romans 11:17-21
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE MAY NOT SPARE YOU EITHER!
Written to Saints!
WHO ME replys: another osas killer, shows that some will fall into unbelief after believing ofcourse, and that after we are grafted into Gods family that we also can be broken from that family so dont be boastful in thinking it was only the israelites who could be so.... if you CONTINUE in His goodness otherwise if you dont (fall into unbelief) your broken off....
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Either gentile or jew must be saved by the same believing on His name theres only one path no matter where you start from or who you are.... faith comes by hearing the gospel about who Jesus IS.... we both jew and gentile must believe on His name.... again I find out who Jesus was in matt mark luke and john for the most part.... I read from them what He said and did. I need them first before anything paul says matters.... although paul also ADDS to the gospel towards believing it in faith...
Luke 12:40
Jesus is WARNING us to be ready for His coming, cause we dont know when He will show up.
12:42 Jesus ask us who is the servant who is ready for His coming.
12:43 Jesus tells us its a believer being a servant by doing the work of a servant. (Reading his word - praying - works or will)
12:44 that man being a servant will be rewarded
12:45 but IF that SAME servant instead is NOT being a servant (not praying reading the word or doing Gods will) but instead doing his (servants) will like before he was saved
12:46 Jesus will come to rapture and find the servant NOT being a servant (not being ready) and appoint him with the unbelievers. He is cut assunder when he is left by Jesus at rapture (5 unwise virgins)
This is why verse 40 is a Warning to the servant to Be Ready for His coming.
If osas were true there would be no need for a warning.... how anyone can believe osas when this shows it not to be true I dont know. It shows a servants outcome in 2 different forms one being ready is reward and 1 not being ready is wrath....2 different endings for same servant based on Him being ready or not.
Jesus is WARNING us to be ready for His coming, cause we dont know when He will show up.
12:42 Jesus ask us who is the servant who is ready for His coming.
12:43 Jesus tells us its a believer being a servant by doing the work of a servant. (Reading his word - praying - works or will)
12:44 that man being a servant will be rewarded
12:45 but IF that SAME servant instead is NOT being a servant (not praying reading the word or doing Gods will) but instead doing his (servants) will like before he was saved
12:46 Jesus will come to rapture and find the servant NOT being a servant (not being ready) and appoint him with the unbelievers. He is cut assunder when he is left by Jesus at rapture (5 unwise virgins)
This is why verse 40 is a Warning to the servant to Be Ready for His coming.
If osas were true there would be no need for a warning.... how anyone can believe osas when this shows it not to be true I dont know. It shows a servants outcome in 2 different forms one being ready is reward and 1 not being ready is wrath....2 different endings for same servant based on Him being ready or not.
mailmandan
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In Luke 13:24, Jesus is not teaching salvation obtained or maintained by works, as certain folks would suppose. Strive to enter through the narrow gate signifies a struggle against conflict. Christ was not suggesting that anyone could merit eternal life by striving or working hard enough to obtain it based on the merits of their performance. No matter how rigorously people labor, sinners could never earn their way to heaven. (Romans 3:23; 6:23) Entering through the narrow gate is nonetheless difficult because of it's cost in terms of human pride and desire for sinful living which prevents them from choosing to repent and believe the gospel. Salvation through faith in Jesus Christ is the narrow gate (John 3:18; 10:9; 14:6) and it's narrow because it excludes self-righteousness/works-righteousness, false confidence in ethical background or merely a casual association with Jesus and empty professions of faith.
