Who are the Saved?

[sondring7]

We are saved not by information but through the power of Christ. The whole bible tells you the kind of humility and disposition you need to be accepted by God.

And Paul says you need to listen to Jesus, as I am also telling you.

+++++We are saved not by information but through the power of Christ.
Yes by believing and trusting in His death, burial, resuurection.
and NOT in anything we do :-
Eph 2,8-9, Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Titus 3.5-7, Rom 4.5, Rom 5.1 - the teachings of Jesus via Paul :)

 

[Episkopos]

Why doesn't your chart show the 1 Cor 15.1-4, Eph 1.13 Gospel that Jesus Gal 1.11-12 taught to Paul ?
The same one that Paul Gal 2.2 had to explain to the 12 .

Your great error is to think that Paul taught anything different than Jesus.

Are you a follower of Christ?

The gospel you adhere to is definitely from down under...the nether regions.

 

[Episkopos]

+++++We are saved not by information but through the power of Christ.
Yes by believing and trusting in His death, burial, resuurection.
and NOT in anything we do :-
Eph 2,8-9, Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Titus 3.5-7, Rom 4.5, Rom 5.1 - the teachings of Jesus via Paul :)

Who taught you to trust in a death and other historical events? The devil is even more sure than you are about the death and resurrection of Jesus. What the devil won't do is submit to Jesus and obey Him. How about you?

The power of Christ is over all sin and causes a real disciple to be translated to walk in His perfection in the kingdom realm.

 

[ProDeo]

+++++We are saved not by information but through the power of Christ.
Yes by believing and trusting in His death, burial, resuurection.
and NOT in anything we do :-
Eph 2,8-9, Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Titus 3.5-7, Rom 4.5, Rom 5.1 - the teachings of Jesus via Paul :)

On Eph 2:8-9, how about the NEXT verse 10 ?

 

[ScottA]

Sorry, I still don't agree with this. I don't agree that only Jesus is ever without sin. We ought to walk as He walked. I think not sinning is kind of the beginning. People in the Bible were able to be blameless even before Christ and the Holy Spirit. Noah was one of them. Also Zaccheus and Elizabeth, John the Baptists parents.

God actually expected people to obey Him then. He expects us to obey Him now.

"You shouldn't do it in your own strength. Self-effort robs God."

I don't really see that in Scripture. We are to love the Lord with all our strength. That's what Ill continue to do.

Again, your heart and effort are in the right place--but "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him”, is what is biblically true.

And again, all of what you are saying is indeed true--if--it is attributed only to the new spirit of God body born again within us, and not these bodies of flesh.

 

[Episkopos]

Again, your heart and effort are in the right place--but "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him”, is what is biblically true.

And again, all of what you are saying is indeed true--if--it is attributed only to the new spirit of God body born again within us, and not these bodies of flesh.

A God body? This is Star Trek territory.

And that verse is translated very poorly. It should read .....He was made to be sin by us (evil men...religious outer man) who knew no sin so that we might FULFILL (ginomai) the righteousness of God in Him. (in the inner man)

 

[Episkopos]

Many have latched on to the decoy gospel...that God has sent as strong delusion. Yes, it is God who has chosen the mischief that people perpetuate. Why? Because they hate the truth...they prefer something that goes easy on the flesh.

I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. Is 66:4

 

[ScottA]

@ScottA, can you quote that Scripture passage that speaks about those 2 bodies ?

I know it is there, but can't find it.

1 Corinthians 15:37
And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

2 Corinthians 4:16
Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day.

@sondring7
@TitusTwoWife
@Episkopos

 

[ScottA]

A God body? This is Star Trek territory.

And that verse is translated very poorly. It should read .....He was made to be sin by us (evil men...religious outer man) who knew no sin so that we might FULFILL (ginomai) the righteousness of God in Him. (in the inner man)

You are right to think of Star Trek, for we who are in Christ "boldly go where no man has gone before"...except for the Son of man.

As for the verse and its translation, see post #108.

 

[Episkopos]

1 Corinthians 15:37
And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

2 Corinthians 4:16
Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day.

@sondring7
@TitusTwoWife
@Episkopos

How you arrive at 2 bodies is basically schizoid Gnosticism. Have you ever been diagnosed?

 

[ScottA]

How you arrive at 2 bodies is basically schizoid Gnosticism. Have you ever been diagnosed?

I stopped short of calling you out on your mocking in my last post--but here you confirm your own sinlessness is a mere fraud, as is your theology and doctrine.

 

[Episkopos]

1 Corinthians 15:37
And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

2 Corinthians 4:16
Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day.

@sondring7
@TitusTwoWife
@Episkopos

How you arrive at 2 bodies is basically schizoid Gnosticism. Have you ever been diagnosed?

I stopped short of calling you our on your mocking in my last post--but here you confirm your own sinlessness is a mere fraud.

I'm not claiming to be sinless...I'm claiming that in Christ is no sin. There is balance that an extreme view can't perceive.

I am claiming to have walked without sin in the past...because I was translated to walk where Jesus is. In Zion.

The walk is real. There is victory in Christ....which people here will deny claiming to be sinners until they die...and that's the case because they have never entered into Christ.

 

[Episkopos]

The decoy gospel believers have decided for themselves that they are in the kingdom...as in...OK I'm in. God has no say...yet...until judgment day. If people ever wondered why so many are rejected on judgment day...even ministers of the gospel..rejected....well, wonder no further.

 

[ScottA]

How you arrive at 2 bodies is basically schizoid Gnosticism. Have you ever been diagnosed?

I'm not claiming to be sinless...I'm claiming that in Christ is no sin. There is balance that an extreme view can't perceive.

I am claiming to have walked without sin in the past...because I was translated to walk where Jesus is. In Zion.

The walk is real. There is victory in Christ....which people here will deny claiming to be sinners until they die...and that's the case because they have never entered into Christ.

That is all just so many words to explain away the simple biblical truth. Typical.

 

[ScottA]

The decoy gospel believers have decided for themselves that they are in the kingdom...as in...OK I'm in. God has no say...yet...until judgment day. If people ever wondered why so many are rejected on judgment day...even ministers of the gospel..rejected....well, wonder no further.

Judgment day will be as you say, but not for that reason.

Luke 11:52
Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

History repeats among the Church.

 

[marks]

What did Jesus via Paul teach was required of you to be saved, justified, HS sealed ?
1 Cor 15.1-4 results in Eph 1.13, Col 2.13
What did Jesus via Paul teach was your performance requirements to be saved, justified, HS sealed ?
Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Eph 2.8-9, Rom 4.5, Rom 5.1

Do you accept those teachings of Jesus via Paul ?

Ask complete questions. A list of references, I see that lots. Just the same . . .

Nothing will contradict . . . believe in Jesus, receive Him, that's what the apostle wrote. Jesus said specifically, "believe in Me." Paul wrote specifically, to the one believing, and not working.

What is it you want to say?

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

When we take the warnings of God seriously we can prepare ourselves for what is to come. People that take no heed to the warnings will be caught unawares. For them it will be like Jesus coming as a thief in the night, taking back all that the assumers and presumers have stolen for themselves. Jesus will come as a thief to the thieves who claim to know Him and follow Him but do neither.

 

[ProDeo]

1 Corinthians 15:37
And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

2 Corinthians 4:16
Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day.

@sondring7
@TitusTwoWife
@Episkopos

Actually I meant

1 Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

 

[Episkopos]

Actually I meant

1 Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

That is at the final redemption. Being given an eternal body after leaving this mortal body. The idea of having 2 bodies at the present time is based on a bad reading and a somewhat unstable mind.

 

[ProDeo]

Actually I meant

1 Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

That is at the final redemption. Being given an eternal body after leaving this mortal body. The idea of having 2 bodies at the present time is based on a bad reading and a somewhat unstable mind.

Let's wait what Scott has to say.