Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

[William Barton]

Pre-Great-Tribulation is depicted in Revelation 14:14-16, showing Jesus descended to a cloud, reaping ("catching up") believers over the "land" (Middle East).

This is prophesied in 1Thessalonians 4:16-17:
"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the arch angel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God." (v. 16)

"Trumpet of God" is the "last trumpet," i.e. the last of the seven trumpets of the coronation of Jesus (Revelation 11:15-18).

"Coronation" stems from Latin corona = crown. Jesus is celebrated as King of the *land* (i.e. Middle East, Philippians 2:9-11). There was no concept of planet earth at that time.

"Great tribulation" is the bowl judgments, described poetically as hot oil poured from a bowel (ancient method of torture).

 

[jeffweeder]

"Great tribulation" is the bowl judgments, described poetically as hot oil poured from a bowel (ancient method of torture).

I doubt very much that God will execute his judgment in that manner

 

[rebuilder 454]

Pre-Great-Tribulation is depicted in Revelation 14:14-16, showing Jesus descended to a cloud, reaping ("catching up") believers over the "land" (Middle East).

This is prophesied in 1Thessalonians 4:16-17:
"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the arch angel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God." (v. 16)

"Trumpet of God" is the "last trumpet," i.e. the last of the seven trumpets of the coronation of Jesus (Revelation 11:15-18).

"Coronation" stems from Latin corona = crown. Jesus is celebrated as King of the *land* (i.e. Middle East, Philippians 2:9-11). There was no concept of planet earth at that time.

"Great tribulation" is the bowl judgments, described poetically as hot oil poured from a bowel (ancient method of torture).

Nope it can not be .
That harvest in rev14:14 has Jewish firstfruits .
144,000 Jewish ethnic elect, from the 12 tribes.

Jesus is the firstfruits of the church, so the church does not have ethnic Jews as firstfruits.

So your model is not possible

 

[rebuilder 454]

Pre-Great-Tribulation is depicted in Revelation 14:14-16, showing Jesus descended to a cloud, reaping ("catching up") believers over the "land" (Middle East).

This is prophesied in 1Thessalonians 4:16-17:
"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the arch angel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God." (v. 16)

"Trumpet of God" is the "last trumpet," i.e. the last of the seven trumpets of the coronation of Jesus (Revelation 11:15-18).

"Coronation" stems from Latin corona = crown. Jesus is celebrated as King of the *land* (i.e. Middle East, Philippians 2:9-11). There was no concept of planet earth at that time.

"Great tribulation" is the bowl judgments, described poetically as hot oil poured from a bowel (ancient method of torture).

Nope it can not be .
That harved of revv14:14 has Jewish firstfruits .
144,000 Jewish ethnic elect from the 12 tribes.

Jesus is the firstfruits of the church.

So your model is not possible

 

[Taken]

On this forum certain post-trip and one who accepts AMillennialism asked for where the bible speaks of a Pre-tribulation rapture.

Here is my response.

The bible doesn't outright say...."the rapture will be followed by a 7 year tribulation. The bible also doesn't say outright there is a trinity consisting of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But, if you connect the dots a Christian can understand the basic principles of the Godhead.

When the dots surround the rapture of the church are connected the pre-trib rapture becomes obvious.

For example I have shown you the bible presents Jesus as returning on a white horse in Rev 19 and another return where Jesus isn't riding a white horse. I've even presented you with depictions of the event. No white horse at the rapture while defections show a white horse at the Rev 19 return. That's one dot.

I've presented you with a social economic picture mentioned by Christ Jesus that speaks of His return and describes it like the days of Noah and not......which don't align with the social economic days of the end of the tribulation. Another dot to connect.

You have been presented several verses that show Christians....the bride of Christ... are not destined for wrath or the trials of the 7 year tribulation. Another dot to connect.

You have been shown the 7 year tribulation is a judgement for the people of the earth...and should understand Jesus already paid the price for that Judgement concerning Christians on the cross 2,000 years ago.....another dot to connect.

Another dot to connect would be the many mansions (dwelling places) in heaven that Jesus is currently building and the promise of His return to take us there. This fits in with the Jewish engagement and wedding of the times of Christ.

I have shown you another dot with the 2 Thes 2 mention of the gathering and removal of the restrainer and departure that happens prior to the 7 year tribulation. One more dot to connect.

You have been shown that the Church isn't mentioned by name after after chapter 4 of Revelations (19 times prior to chapter 5) and then not again to chapter 20. ....this is another dot.

There's more dots to connect that are buried deeper in scripture that I won't mention.

Dot + dot + dot + dot + dot + dot + dot = a pre-trib rapture. All you need to do is connect them.

Where are your dots to connect that show a single return of Jesus at the end of the tribulation?

Yes…
It’s call “reasoning”…

Jesus “introduced” this World to a New / Better Testament.

And “Acceptance” of His Testament, His Offering, and His Gifts…
….Stands to REASON…..
Such a person shall be “A Recipient” of His Offering, Gifts, Promises.

To Accept and ParTake in His Offerings…
…it Stands to REASON…
One needs to Learn…
Who? How,? What? When? Why? Where?
And individual Fits in those questions…

And one off-hand “rarely mentioned” Point IS:
The Door… Christ Jesus’ DOOR …
(Opened some 2,000+ years ago)
that Requires Entry, to Receive “His Offerings and Gifts”.

AND?
WHEN that Door Closes…
WHO can enter through a SHUT DOOR?
WILL that DOOR ever be SHUT?
Yes.

However many seem perplexed…
WHO Entered…/ ENTERS
WHEN that door SHUTS.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Matt ch24
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn,
and they will see the Son of Man Coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Yes… They WHO?
They WITH Him?

And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1 Thess 4:13-16
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel,
and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.

Yes…
From Which Heaven ?…
Heaven Above the Heaven(S)?
(3rd, 2nd, 1 st Heaven(S)?

TO WHERE? Earth?

Deep study.

God bless you.
Prayer for Daniel.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[David in NJ]

Yes… They WHO?
They WITH Him?

Yes…
From Which Heaven ?…
Heaven Above the Heaven(S)?
(3rd, 2nd, 1 st Heaven(S)?

TO WHERE? Earth?

Deep study.

God bless you.
Prayer for Daniel.

Glory to God,
Taken

THANK YOU for your prayers for Daniel - May the LORD richly Bless you and family beyond what HE already has

Refresh your heart/soul/mind by reading 1 Thessalonians, one chapter at a time, with prayer and writing down the exact Truth from each chapter that speaks of:
a.) the Coming of Christ
b.) the Wrath of God
c.) Tribulation upon the Saints
d.) who Christ Returns for
e.) who Christ is Returning with
f.) when is the Resurrection
g.) when is the rapture

SHALOM

 

[CrowCross]

f.) when is the Resurrection
g.) when is the rapture

Soon. Look up.

 

[Taken]

THANK YOU for your prayers for Daniel - May the LORD richly Bless you and family beyond what HE already has

Please send PM update.

Refresh your heart/soul/mind by reading 1 Thessalonians, one chapter at a time, with prayer and writing down the exact Truth from each chapter that speaks of:
a.) the Coming of Christ
b.) the Wrath of God
c.) Tribulation upon the Saints
d.) who Christ Returns for
e.) who Christ is Returning with
f.) when is the Resurrection
g.) when is the rapture

SHALOM

Hi David…Thanks.
As is every Scriptural Book, Title, Chapter, Verse, a great Start… for Revealing tid-bits of Knowledge…That That Knowledge IS the Catalyst… to Stir MORE Questions, for MORE knowledge to be discovered.

Meaning… Terms are mentioned…
Church;
Saints, Brethren, holy Brethren;
Following;
Coming;
Wrath;
Etc.

How I study, is to read the Book, Title, Chapters, Verses… and Break down… which TERMS ( the What) Apply TO Whom, When and Why.

* To your First Point…
“The Coming of Christ”…
To my benefit, I find it necessary to Know…
Where Christ IS…
Where Christ is Coming FROM…
Where Christ IS Coming TO…
And for WHAT PURPOSE…

To THAT Point… my understanding IS:
Christ is Coming From WHERE He IS.
Christ IS:
Seated Next TO God.
God IS IN “Heaven” <—-> Singular Heaven.
Gods “Estate” Singular Heaven, Reserved For God Only..( not angels, not men)…
IS… The Heaven ABOVE the Heaven(s).

Thus…
THAT IS Where Christ Shall Come FROM.

Now consider…Where / What… Christ must pass Through / By…. When He Leaves Heaven Above the Heavens…

3rd Heaven?
Yes.
Does Christ Pause / Stop There?
No indication reveals a pause of stop there.
Does Anything indicate “They” in the 3rd Heaven “JOIN” / “Follow” Christ where He is going /Coming To?
Yes.

Who?
(under His Authority)…holy Angel Servants….Follow and Serve Christ.

Whose Estate IS the 3rd Heaven?
Holy Angels.

Must Christ “summon / call them “?
No

They Follow Him, where He Goes, and They Can Go.

Can they Go to The Heaven Above the Heavens?
No.

Can they Go to The Heavens Below the 3rd Heaven?
Yes.

When Christ IS coming From the Heaven Above the Heavens… And is Passing Through the 3rd Heaven…
Do they THEN Follow Christ?
Yes.

THEN, To Where (are they Going / Coming)…
To?…the 2nd Heaven?
Yes.
Do they (pause, stop) There?
No off hand indication, THEY pause or stop There.

THEN, To Where (are they Going / Coming) To? … the Lowest to Earth 1st Heaven?
Yes.
Do they (pause, stop) There?
Yes.
Why?
The Why, is greatly Detailed in Scriptural Knowledge…

It IS expressly Detailed…
Christs’ intent, purpose, for pausing / stopping in the First (lowest heaven above Earth)…per His Coming From the Heaven Above the Heaven(S).

As Well, it is expressly Detailed in Scripture…
*WHO, is summed From the Earth UP to Him.
*WHY, THEY only ARE summoned.
*WHEN (broadly) THEY ARE Summoned Up.
*HOW Long (broadly) it will Take the Summoned TO transport FROM Earth TO the 1st Lower Heaven.
*WHAT precisely the summoned SEE for the First Time.
*WHY the summoned CAN SEE, what they have NOT BEFORE seen.
*WHAT the summoned SHALL DO
There in the 1st Heaven.
*HOW LONG, the summoned Stay with Christ IN the 1st, lowest to Earth Heaven…
*AND…WHY.
*WHEN the summoned SHALL Return TO Earth…
*WITH WHOM…
*WHY…
*WHAT… they Shall then DO…back ON Earth.
*WHY…

By my perspective / understanding / This Knowledge is Paramount, to Know, Believe, Trust the Source, Be Committed…
To know where an individual mans OWN Standing IS, and IF an individual man HAS or HAS NOT… committed, to BE among THEM, and Accounted WITH “THEM” …

Christ the Lords “coming”… IS the same Way He Left Earth…
From Earth…
To 1st Lower Heaven…clouds
To 2nd Mid Heaven… a place (“having not yet been prepared” )for saved departed souls.
( AS Jesus noted, at His Return from Earth to Heaven He would prepare a place For Them…)
THEM (departed saved souls, “were” IN a comfort side of Hell, waiting For Christ to Descend / Come to Hell, Rescue them, And send them (saved souls) to a prepared place)… and
(They’re waiting There…Why?
Because Jesus is First in all things…
Meaning Jesus’ Soul HAD to Have Risen Up To Heaven… Before Their Saved souls Could Rise up to Heaven, TO Which Heaven?
(2nd Heaven).
* And Jesus Continued..To 3rd Heaven …holy Angels Estate / Stars
* And Jesus To The Heaven Above the Heaven(s), Gods Estate….Where He Was Before He Was Sent to Earth…
(IN a body God prepared for When He would Be on Earth).

Point… Christs “coming”… begins From Where He IS:
AND Ends When He “Returns (Feet Touch) TO Earth”.

What Occurs… Before His “COM-ING”…
AND
What Occurs … During His “COM- ING”
AND
What Occurs … AFTER His “RETURN”…

It Is Paramount Per each individuals “Standing”;
Non- Believer?
Following Believer in God?
Remain a believer?
Follower Who then Quit, Rejected God?
Following Believer in Christ?
Follower who remained Following Christ?
Follower Who then Quit, Rejected Christ?
Following Believer in something, but unsure What or Whom?
Following Believer IN God, Believes in Jesus’ Existence…but unsure about Belief in WHO Jesus IS?
Following Believer Who Committed Belief IN Christ?

FREEWILL of man’s Beliefs. Have Anciently, Historically, modernly… run the gambit… per each individual…

IT IS… precisely, WHAT / WHERE any mans individual STANDING (Heartful Belief IS) at the time of his “bodily death”…
Which Shall Determine…THAT man’s ETERNAL Fate.

It IS the Scriptural (bit by bit) Knowledge, by which ANY man…CAN, discover…WHAT Does, Will Apply to him… Based on his Own beliefs or lack thereof…And IF and WHEN he “commits to such beliefs.” ( or not).

I have read, studied the knowledge bit by bit, learned the Offerings, learned the differences between HOPE and ASSURANCE, learned;
What, How, When, Where, Why…my Choices, For my Standing WAS MADE, IS ESTABLISHED, IS IRREVOCABLE…
And What, When, Why…
Speaking for myself…
I presently… Have Tribulations and know With Whom…
I presently… Wait patiently, (Already with Him IN Spirit)…
Waiting…To Respond TO Christ the Lords summoning me ( wholly, body, soul, spirit ) TO Him, when He has come to the Lower 1st Heaven).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[rebuilder 454]

Please send PM update.

Hi David…Thanks.
As is every Scriptural Book, Title, Chapter, Verse, a great Start… for Revealing tid-bits of Knowledge…That That Knowledge IS the Catalyst… to Stir MORE Questions, for MORE knowledge to be discovered.

Meaning… Terms are mentioned…
Church;
Saints, Brethren, holy Brethren;
Following;
Coming;
Wrath;
Etc.

How I study, is to read the Book, Title, Chapters, Verses… and Break down… which TERMS ( the What) Apply TO Whom, When and Why.

* To your First Point…
“The Coming of Christ”…
To my benefit, I find it necessary to Know…
Where Christ IS…
Where Christ is Coming FROM…
Where Christ IS Coming TO…
And for WHAT PURPOSE…

To THAT Point… my understanding IS:
Christ is Coming From WHERE He IS.
Christ IS:
Seated Next TO God.
God IS IN “Heaven” <—-> Singular Heaven.
Gods “Estate” Singular Heaven, Reserved For God Only..( not angels, not men)…
IS… The Heaven ABOVE the Heaven(s).

Thus…
THAT IS Where Christ Shall Come FROM.

Now consider…Where / What… Christ must pass Through / By…. When He Leaves Heaven Above the Heavens…

3rd Heaven?
Yes.
Does Christ Pause / Stop There?
No indication reveals a pause of stop there.
Does Anything indicate “They” in the 3rd Heaven “JOIN” / “Follow” Christ where He is going /Coming To?
Yes.

Who?
(under His Authority)…holy Angel Servants….Follow and Serve Christ.

Whose Estate IS the 3rd Heaven?
Holy Angels.

Must Christ “summon / call them “?
No

They Follow Him, where He Goes, and They Can Go.

Can they Go to The Heaven Above the Heavens?
No.

Can they Go to The Heavens Below the 3rd Heaven?
Yes.

When Christ IS coming From the Heaven Above the Heavens… And is Passing Through the 3rd Heaven…
Do they THEN Follow Christ?
Yes.

THEN, To Where (are they Going / Coming)…
To?…the 2nd Heaven?
Yes.
Do they (pause, stop) There?
No off hand indication, THEY pause or stop There.

THEN, To Where (are they Going / Coming) To? … the Lowest to Earth 1st Heaven?
Yes.
Do they (pause, stop) There?
Yes.
Why?
The Why, is greatly Detailed in Scriptural Knowledge…

It IS expressly Detailed…
Christs’ intent, purpose, for pausing / stopping in the First (lowest heaven above Earth)…per His Coming From the Heaven Above the Heaven(S).

As Well, it is expressly Detailed in Scripture…
*WHO, is summed From the Earth UP to Him.
*WHY, THEY only ARE summoned.
*WHEN (broadly) THEY ARE Summoned Up.
*HOW Long (broadly) it will Take the Summoned TO transport FROM Earth TO the 1st Lower Heaven.
*WHAT precisely the summoned SEE for the First Time.
*WHY the summoned CAN SEE, what they have NOT BEFORE seen.
*WHAT the summoned SHALL DO
There in the 1st Heaven.
*HOW LONG, the summoned Stay with Christ IN the 1st, lowest to Earth Heaven…
*AND…WHY.
*WHEN the summoned SHALL Return TO Earth…
*WITH WHOM…
*WHY…
*WHAT… they Shall then DO…back ON Earth.
*WHY…

By my perspective / understanding / This Knowledge is Paramount, to Know, Believe, Trust the Source, Be Committed…
To know where an individual mans OWN Standing IS, and IF an individual man HAS or HAS NOT… committed, to BE among THEM, and Accounted WITH “THEM” …

Christ the Lords “coming”… IS the same Way He Left Earth…
From Earth…
To 1st Lower Heaven…clouds
To 2nd Mid Heaven… a place (“having not yet been prepared” )for saved departed souls.
( AS Jesus noted, at His Return from Earth to Heaven He would prepare a place For Them…)
THEM (departed saved souls, “were” IN a comfort side of Hell, waiting For Christ to Descend / Come to Hell, Rescue them, And send them (saved souls) to a prepared place)… and
(They’re waiting There…Why?
Because Jesus is First in all things…
Meaning Jesus’ Soul HAD to Have Risen Up To Heaven… Before Their Saved souls Could Rise up to Heaven, TO Which Heaven?
(2nd Heaven).
* And Jesus Continued..To 3rd Heaven …holy Angels Estate / Stars
* And Jesus To The Heaven Above the Heaven(s), Gods Estate….Where He Was Before He Was Sent to Earth…
(IN a body God prepared for When He would Be on Earth).

Point… Christs “coming”… begins From Where He IS:
AND Ends When He “Returns (Feet Touch) TO Earth”.

What Occurs… Before His “COM-ING”…
AND
What Occurs … During His “COM- ING”
AND
What Occurs … AFTER His “RETURN”…

It Is Paramount Per each individuals “Standing”;
Non- Believer?
Following Believer in God?
Remain a believer?
Follower Who then Quit, Rejected God?
Following Believer in Christ?
Follower who remained Following Christ?
Follower Who then Quit, Rejected Christ?
Following Believer in something, but unsure What or Whom?
Following Believer IN God, Believes in Jesus’ Existence…but unsure about Belief in WHO Jesus IS?
Following Believer Who Committed Belief IN Christ?

FREEWILL of man’s Beliefs. Have Anciently, Historically, modernly… run the gambit… per each individual…

IT IS… precisely, WHAT / WHERE any mans individual STANDING (Heartful Belief IS) at the time of his “bodily death”…
Which Shall Determine…THAT man’s ETERNAL Fate.

It IS the Scriptural (bit by bit) Knowledge, by which ANY man…CAN, discover…WHAT Does, Will Apply to him… Based on his Own beliefs or lack thereof…And IF and WHEN he “commits to such beliefs.” ( or not).

I have read, studied the knowledge bit by bit, learned the Offerings, learned the differences between HOPE and ASSURANCE, learned;
What, How, When, Where, Why…my Choices, For my Standing WAS MADE, IS ESTABLISHED, IS IRREVOCABLE…
And What, When, Why…
Speaking for myself…
I presently… Have Tribulations and know With Whom…
I presently… Wait patiently, (Already with Him IN Spirit)…
Waiting…To Respond TO Christ the Lords summoning me ( wholly, body, soul, spirit ) TO Him, when He has come to the Lower 1st Heaven).

Glory to God,
Taken

Postribber folly.
You can show them all our verses.
They will say "you have no verses".

They are "trib centered"
They will get their deserved future.
Jesus comes back for us that are centered in him.
Jesus taught 50% left behind.
Makes me wonder if the church at present is 50% postribbers.

Ooooops.

 

[David in NJ]

Postribber folly.
You can show them all our verses.
They will say "you have no verses".

They are "trib centered"
They will get their deserved future.
Jesus comes back for us that are centered in him.
Jesus taught 50% left behind.
Makes me wonder if the church at present is 50% postribbers.

Ooooops.

You are not centered on Christ.

If you were you would believe His words and the words of the Apostles.

You are centered on pre-trib rapture and all who promote it.
When you read the scriptures you interpret from a belief within you, not within Christ and the Holy Scriptures.

Acid Test to pre-trib = Matthew chapter 24 & 1 Thessalonians

Focus on CHRIST who Prophesied:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

 

[CrowCross]

Christ the Lords “coming”… IS the same Way He Left Earth…

yes,

Jesus returns the same way He left. In Acts 1 ...we get the account.
Jesus ascends.

How does Jesus return? Rev 19 speaks of Jesus riding a white horse....BUT....Jesus didn't leave riding a white horse.

This complicates things when looking at scripture because the "return" of Christ gets confusing when one tries to determine when Jesus returns on a white horse and when Jesus returns in the same way He left...which wasn't on a white horse.
That is Jesus returns twice...once in the same manner in which He ascended and then a second time on a white horse.

 

[CrowCross]

You are not centered on Christ.

If you were you would believe His words and the words of the Apostles.

You are centered on pre-trib rapture and all who promote it.
When you read the scriptures you interpret from a belief within you, not within Christ and the Holy Scriptures.

Acid Test to pre-trib = Matthew chapter 24 & 1 Thessalonians

Focus on CHRIST who Prophesied:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

You said...Focus on CHRIST who Prophesied:...We have.
According to a reading of Rev 19 Jesus return on a white horse at the end of the tribulation. At that time....
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

When Jesus left the sun wasn't darkened. When Jesus left the moon didn't stop giving its light. When Jesus left the "stars" didn't fall from the sky....and the powers of heaven were not shaken.

 

[David in NJ]

When Jesus left the sun wasn't darkened. When Jesus left the moon didn't stop giving its light. When Jesus left the "stars" didn't fall from the sky....and the powers of heaven were not shaken.

any child can SEE this

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You said...Focus on CHRIST who Prophesied:...We have.
According to a reading of Rev 19 Jesus return on a white horse at the end of the tribulation. At that time....
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

And you actually believe this supports pre-trib?

 

[CrowCross]

any child can SEE this

Absolutely. I don't disagree.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You said...Focus on CHRIST who Prophesied:...We have.
According to a reading of Rev 19 Jesus return on a white horse at the end of the tribulation. At that time....
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

And you actually believe this supports pre-trib?

How many times does it have to be explained to you....this is a presentation of the physical return....THE SECOND TIME...and not a description of the way Jesus left earth?

When you explain why Jesus didn't leave earth in those conditions...please get back to me.....after all Acts one squarely contradicts your eschatology.

 

[David in NJ]

Absolutely. I don't disagree.

How many times does it have to be explained to you....this is a presentation of the physical return....THE SECOND TIME...and not a description of the way Jesus left earth?

When you explain why Jesus didn't leave earth in those conditions...please get back to me.....after all Acts one squarely contradicts your eschatology.

Ignorant statement
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


The LORD only Returns ONCE = as HE Prophesied throughout His Gospel = Beginning in Genesis

 

[CrowCross]

Ignorant statement
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


The LORD only Returns ONCE = as HE Prophesied throughout His Gospel = Beginning in Genesis

Listen Dude....your credibility is completely shot...Heck, you even believe in a flat earth.

Now, I did notice you evaded the question. Called what I said an "ignorant statement"....

 

[David in NJ]

Listen Dude....your credibility is completely shot...Heck, you even believe in a flat earth.

Now, I did notice you evaded the question. Called what I said an "ignorant statement"....

Remember , your mocking will only last until your dead.

Such ignorance of the Holy Scriptures from 'christians' like yourself and @sondring7 and unfortunately @David Lamb

NASA Space Images Are Often Faked

Curious discrepancies in NASA and JPL space imagery.

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[Taken]

Postribber folly.
You can show them all our verses.
They will say "you have no verses".

They are "trib centered"
They will get their deserved future.
Jesus comes back for us that are centered in him.
Jesus taught 50% left behind.
Makes me wonder if the church at present is 50% postribbers.

Ooooops.

I trust a Pre-Trib…
Escape / Deliverance / Rapture BY the Lord;
For THEY “Converted IN Christ”…ARE Saved BY Christ….Lifted UP WHOLE, body, soul, spirit…
Meet the Lord in the Clouds…
Return With the Lord TO Earth…

I trust during “portions of the Trib”;
Men WILL…
* Turn to Belief… Die in Belief…BE Soul Saved “BY” God…their departed saved soul…escorted to (2nd Heaven), body remain on Earth and Wait for First Resurrection.

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

During THEIR ( not saved BY Christ) lifting up”…
These body’s are lifted up from their Graves to the Face of the Earth…
First Resurrection…with a born again spirit and saved soul returned to their raised body ON Earth.

Difference in Raising UP…
Rapture… whole “glorified” body, soul, spirit Raised to Clouds.

First Resurrection … only “glorified” body is Raised from Grave To face of Earth and spirit and soul returned to their body.

Second Resurrection… natural body is raised from grave TO Hell…
spirit never reborn…
Unsaved soul in Hell, returned to natural body.
Natural body, see the Judge / Lord … Bows…
(Fulfills scripture)
Then Life in soul returns to God…
Life OF natural body (blood) dead.
Spirit Life not given…
Lifeless body
&
Lifeless soul
Thrown into LOF burns, forgotten.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CrowCross]

Remember , your mocking will only last until your dead.

Such ignorance of the Holy Scriptures from 'christians' like yourself and @sondring7 and unfortunately @David Lamb

NASA Space Images Are Often Faked

Curious discrepancies in NASA and JPL space imagery.

georgebailey.substack.com

My answer is in this thread.

As i said, you can't even get the shape of the earth right....so why should I think you have eschatology right?

ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT JESUS NOT LEAVING ON A WHITE HORES.