Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

[Taken]

The Lamb is God.

It is NOT about what you “Understand”…

Scripture IN Context Reveals… “Under the Authority of Which a “Specific TITLE”… the Lord God Almighty IS Revealing Knowledge.

You may have the Titles of:
Dad, Son, Uncle, Employer, Employee, etc.

But yet, Not one of those Titles that apply to You, have Anything whatsoever to do with, your and mine relationship of an unseen aquaintance.

When Scripture reveals Jesus in (context)…
IS / AS
A Rabbi, Son of man, Son of God, Savior, Friend, Word, Christ, Holy, Power, Wisdom, Seed, on and on… the under Which “Title” of Authority is plain to see in the Text…

Rolling it all together… lands on a half truth…
Such as…
Your comment… The Lamb IS God

No, the Lamb IS The Lord Jesus, and Christ the Lord Jesus IS God.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CrowCross]

No, the Lamb IS The Lord Jesus, and Christ the Lord Jesus IS God.

Which means the tribulation starting at Rev 6...is of God. The Lamb who is God opens the scrolls...Rev 6 is part of Gods wrath.

 

[Taken]

Which means the tribulation starting at Rev 6...is of God. The Lamb who is God opens the scrolls...Rev 6 is part of Gods wrath.

All of what IS or shall be is by, through, of God and His Appointed Authority.

The Seals… is Appointed Authority God gave to the Lamb of God, For the Lamb to loose His Wrath…

Rev 6:
[1] And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

[3] And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

[5] And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him.

[7] And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

[9] And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

[12] And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Gods Authority…
The Lambs Wrath.
The Tribulations…spread through-out Rev 6 because of the Lambs Wrath and the Negative Effects upon the Earth and its inhabitants.

 

[CrowCross]

The Tribulations…spread through-out Rev 6 because of the Lambs Wrath and the Negative Effects upon the Earth and its inhabitants.

true.

 

[Davidpt]

The story of Noah shows us that the Church is not in heaven 7 days or 7 years before the flood.

Noah is instructed to enter the ark in verse one. God tells Noah in 7 days there will be a flood upon the earth. We are told that Noah, his family and all the animals enter the ark in the self same day. That means they enter the ark on the first day of the seven days and we don't know what day the ark door is shut.

No it doesn't mean that. Read what the text per the following actually says.


Genesis 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood
Genesis 7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

The Biblical narrative contradicts the idea that they boarded on the first day of the seven day warning and left the door open. The text explicitly ties "the selfsame day" to the exact day the floodwaters arrived, meaning they completed their entry and the Lord shut the door on that very same day.

Here is how the chronological markers in Genesis 7 break down when read sequentially.

Verse Event / Timeline Marker

Genesis 7:4 God gives a 7-day warning before the rain starts.
Genesis 7:10 The text states that after seven days, the floodwaters came.
Genesis 7:11 This exact day is identified as the 17th day of the second month.
Genesis 7:13 "In the selfsame day" (referring back to the 17th day in verse 11), Noah, his family, and the animals enter the ark.
Genesis 7:16 They finish entering, and the Lord shuts the door on that very same day.

The "Day One" Theory Fails

The term "the selfsame day" in verse 13 acts as a direct anchor to verse 11. It points strictly to the day the fountains of the deep burst open, not the day the countdown began.

Therefore, Noah did not sit in the ark for a week with an open door. The entire group boarded, and the door was sealed by God on the exact day the deluge began.

Verse 7 settles it as well. Look what it says---And Noah went in---because of the waters of the flood. There are no waters of any flood 7 days earlier.

Genesis 7:7 completely shatters the "Day One" argument because it provides the exact causal reason for their entry---they went inside "because of the waters of the flood."

To put it in logical terms--The Cause--The presence of the floodwaters. The Effect---Noah and his family enter the ark.

If they had entered the ark seven days prior to the rain, the text could not say they entered because of the floodwaters, as no such waters existed yet. They would have entered because of a prophecy or a command, but the text explicitly anchors the physical act of going inside to the physical presence of the hazard.

When you combine my point about verse 7 with verse 13 ("In the selfsame day entered Noah..."), the text locks the timeline down. The sequence is seamless.
The fountains of the deep burst open, the family flees into the ark to escape the rising waters, the last of the animals cross the threshold, and the Lord immediately seals the door.

It leaves zero room for a seven-day gap where the door is just hanging open.

And besides, Luke 17:27 settles it as well.

Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came. No flood came 7 days before the flood came. That doesn't even make sense. This verse agrees with Genesis 7. Neither this verse nor Genesis 7 agrees with you though.

 

[The Light]

As I have said...the wrath of God starts in Rev 6....and intensifies in several directions over the seven years.

No sir. The wrath of God begins when the 7th seal is opened and contains the trumpets and vials of wrath. The wrath of God lasts one year.

The good news is, is that the bride of Christ will not have to go through this punishment....Jesus already paid the price for it....on the cross. Remember?

Amen. And the Jews that have their eyes opened after the fullness of the Gentiles comes will not go through the wrath of God either. They will be raptured at the 6th seal.

 

[The Light]

No it doesn't mean that. Read what the text per the following actually says.


Genesis 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood
Genesis 7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

The Biblical narrative contradicts the idea that they boarded on the first day of the seven day warning and left the door open. The text explicitly ties "the selfsame day" to the exact day the floodwaters arrived, meaning they completed their entry and the Lord shut the door on that very same day.

Here is how the chronological markers in Genesis 7 break down when read sequentially.

Verse Event / Timeline Marker

Genesis 7:4 God gives a 7-day warning before the rain starts.
Genesis 7:10 The text states that after seven days, the floodwaters came.
Genesis 7:11 This exact day is identified as the 17th day of the second month.
Genesis 7:13 "In the selfsame day" (referring back to the 17th day in verse 11), Noah, his family, and the animals enter the ark.
Genesis 7:16 They finish entering, and the Lord shuts the door on that very same day.

The "Day One" Theory Fails

The term "the selfsame day" in verse 13 acts as a direct anchor to verse 11. It points strictly to the day the fountains of the deep burst open, not the day the countdown began.

Therefore, Noah did not sit in the ark for a week with an open door. The entire group boarded, and the door was sealed by God on the exact day the deluge began.

Verse 7 settles it as well. Look what it says---And Noah went in---because of the waters of the flood. There are no waters of any flood 7 days earlier.

Genesis 7:7 completely shatters the "Day One" argument because it provides the exact causal reason for their entry---they went inside "because of the waters of the flood."

To put it in logical terms--The Cause--The presence of the floodwaters. The Effect---Noah and his family enter the ark.

If they had entered the ark seven days prior to the rain, the text could not say they entered because of the floodwaters, as no such waters existed yet. They would have entered because of a prophecy or a command, but the text explicitly anchors the physical act of going inside to the physical presence of the hazard.

When you combine my point about verse 7 with verse 13 ("In the selfsame day entered Noah..."), the text locks the timeline down. The sequence is seamless.
The fountains of the deep burst open, the family flees into the ark to escape the rising waters, the last of the animals cross the threshold, and the Lord immediately seals the door.

It leaves zero room for a seven-day gap where the door is just hanging open.

And besides, Luke 17:27 settles it as well.

Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came. No flood came 7 days before the flood came. That doesn't even make sense. This verse agrees with Genesis 7. Neither this verse nor Genesis 7 agrees with you though.

What's the first thing God told Noah. ENTER THE ARK.

Genesis 7
And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

How many days does it take for Noah, his family and all the animals to enter the ark? ONE DAY.......They all enter on the self same day.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

That day is not the day of the flood, as Noah is told to enter on the first day of the seven. And Noah does what he is told.

Genesis 7
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

 

[sondring7]

Yes confirmed.
Paul teaches according to the Lords own word recorded in the Gospels,

Jn 6
40 For this is My Father’s will and purpose, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him [as Savior] will have eternal life, and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last day.”

Jn 12
48 Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.




Those who do not know God and reject the Gospel.
Paul speaks of the last day according to the Lords own word....,

2Thess 1
9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day and to be marveled at among all who have belives].

Confirming b4 going forward :-
+++He would return on the last day to raise us AND judge the others,
Raise us - 1 Th 4.16-17 believers dead & alive saved by 1 Cor 15.1-4
Last day - 1 Th 4.16-17 ?
Judge others - Will the saved be involved in judging the unsaved ?

 

[Davidpt]

What's the first thing God told Noah. ENTER THE ARK.

Genesis 7
And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

How many days does it take for Noah, his family and all the animals to enter the ark? ONE DAY.......They all enter on the self same day.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

That day is not the day of the flood, as Noah is told to enter on the first day of the seven. And Noah does what he is told.

Genesis 7
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

You are Misunderstanding the Timeline of "The Selfsame Day"

You admit that it only takes one day for everyone to enter, and that they all entered on the selfsame day (b'etzem hayyom hazzeh). But you are misplacing which day that actually is.

In Hebrew grammar, the phrase "b'etzem hayyom hazzeh" acts as a rigid grammatical anchor. It literally means "on the bone/substance of this very day". It always points back to the precise calendar date just established in the immediate text. Look at the sequence.


Genesis 7:11---The text sets a highly specific calendar date: “In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up…”


Genesis 7:12---It mentions the rain falling.

Genesis 7:13---It states, “In the selfsame day entered Noah… into the ark.”

Grammatically, "the selfsame day" in verse 13 has only one possible antecedent---the 17th day of the second month mentioned in verse 11. It is structurally impossible for it to refer to a "Day One" of a seven-day warning, because that warning (verse 4) is a completely separate timeline marker. By your own admission that it took one day, and the text's proof that this day was the 17th, the "Day One" theory completely fails.


You are Misinterpreting the Nature of God's Commands

You argue that because God said "Come into the ark" in verse 1, and Noah obeyed (verse 5), he must have physically walked inside and sat there on Day One. This completely ignores how commands and obedience work in the Genesis narrative.

Back in Genesis 6:14-21, God commanded Noah to build the ark. Genesis 6:22 says---"Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he."

Did Noah instantly finish the entire ark the exact second God commanded it in Chapter 6? No. The command initiates a process that culminates in a future fulfillment.

Similarly, the command to "Come into the ark" in Genesis 7:1 is the green light for the final phase. Noah's fulfillment of that command is what is being detailed in verses 7-16, which the text explicitly states happened on the day the waters came.


Your Timeline Creates an Animal Loading Paradox

Your argument forces a sequence that creates an impossible logistical and narrative mess. You are suggesting that---Day 1--God says enter. Noah, his family, and thousands of wild animals walk in. The door stays wide open.

Days 2-7: They all just sit inside the ark for a week doing nothing.

Day 8----The flood hits and God shuts the door.

But look at the actual chronological flow of the text. God gives a 7-day window (verse 4), the animals arrive and assemble during those 7 days (verses 8-9), the 7 days expire (verse 10), and then they all enter on the exact day the fountains burst (verses 11-13). Noah didn't sit crammed in a stagnant boat with thousands of animals for a week waiting for rain to start.


You Completely Ignored Genesis 7:7

Notice that in your counter argument, you completely ignored Genesis 7:7. You have no answer for it.

The text explicitly states that Noah and his family went into the ark "because of the waters of the flood."

If your argument were correct, they went in because of a 7 day countdown timer.

But the text establishes a direct, physical cause and effect----The presence of water is the reason they went inside. Since there was no water on Day One of the countdown, they could not have entered "because of the waters of the flood" yet.


Jesus Directly Refutes Your 7-Day Gap

Finally, you have still failed to address Luke 17:27, where Jesus Himself settles the timeline: "...until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all."

Jesus treats the physical entry into the ark and the arrival of the flood as simultaneous, single-day events. He explicitly says they were living their normal lives until the day Noah entered, and that same day the flood came and destroyed them. There is no 7 day gap where Noah is sitting inside an open boat while the rest of the world carries on marrying and eating outside.

 

[CrowCross]

No sir. The wrath of God begins when the 7th seal is opened and contains the trumpets and vials of wrath. The wrath of God lasts one year.

Tell that to a world that just had 1/4 of the population killed several seals back.

 

[The Light]

Tell that to a world that just had 1/4 of the population killed several seals back.

World. Pay attention.

The Church will be raptured before the great tribulation. Not before the 7 years begin, before the great tribulation.

Once the Church is raptured, the world will be in chaos. There will be wars, famines and pestilences along with earthquakes. Many will die as the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse are released which are the first four seals. Then abomination of desolation will be set up in the Temple and many of those in Israel will flee to a place of protection as the great tribulation is upon the world. The great tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble and is for the Jews as there remains 3 and half years in the 70th week of Daniel. Time, times and half a time.

When the dragon can't get to the woman, Israel, as she is in her place of protection he goes after her seed which are twelve tribes across the earth. The Jews will be hunted down and killed as many will have the testimony of Jesus Christ and keep the commandments of God.

The great tribulation which is the time that the dragon is hunting the Jews will be cut short or there would be no flesh raptured alive unto salvation. For the elects sake the great tribulation is cut short.

The 12 tribes across the earth will be raptured at the 6th seal as believers are not appointed to wrath.

1Thessalonians 5
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

After the rapture at the 6th seal, the 7th seal will be opened, and the wrath of God will begin. The wrath of God is the 7 trumpets and 7 vials. This is the ONE YEAR day of vengeance.

At the 7th trumpet / 7th vial Jesus returns with the armies of heaven including those that have been raptured to heaven for Armageddon. This is the Day of the Lord and sudden destruction.

 

[sondring7]

World. Pay attention.

The Church will be raptured before the great tribulation. Not before the 7 years begin, before the great tribulation.

Once the Church is raptured, the world will be in chaos. There will be wars, famines and pestilences along with earthquakes. Many will die as the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse are released which are the first four seals. Then abomination of desolation will be set up in the Temple and many of those in Israel will flee to a place of protection as the great tribulation is upon the world. The great tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble and is for the Jews as there remains 3 and half years in the 70th week of Daniel. Time, times and half a time.

When the dragon can't get to the woman, Israel, as she is in her place of protection he goes after her seed which are twelve tribes across the earth. The Jews will be hunted down and killed as many will have the testimony of Jesus Christ and keep the commandments of God.

The great tribulation which is the time that the dragon is hunting the Jews will be cut short or there would be no flesh raptured alive unto salvation. For the elects sake the great tribulation is cut short.

The 12 tribes across the earth will be raptured at the 6th seal as believers are not appointed to wrath.

1Thessalonians 5
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

After the rapture at the 6th seal, the 7th seal will be opened, and the wrath of God will begin. The wrath of God is the 7 trumpets and 7 vials. This is the ONE YEAR day of vengeance.

At the 7th trumpet / 7th vial Jesus returns with the armies of heaven including those that have been raptured to heaven for Armageddon. This is the Day of the Lord and sudden destruction.

++++The Church will be raptured before the great tribulation. Not before the 7 years begin, before the great tribulation.

Do you believe it's possible for a believer to lose their salvation in that first half of those 7 years ?

 

[The Light]

You are Misunderstanding the Timeline of "The Selfsame Day"

I understand it perfectly. On the self-same day, Noah, his family and all the animals enter the ark. We know that day is the first day because Noah is told to enter the ark on the first day of the seven. It does not rain for 7 days.

You admit that it only takes one day for everyone to enter, and that they all entered on the selfsame day (b'etzem hayyom hazzeh). But you are misplacing which day that actually is.

No. I am not. The first command Noah was given was to enter the ark. And he did as the Lord told him.

In Hebrew grammar, the phrase "b'etzem hayyom hazzeh" acts as a rigid grammatical anchor. It literally means "on the bone/substance of this very day". It always points back to the precise calendar date just established in the immediate text. Look at the sequence.


Genesis 7:11---The text sets a highly specific calendar date: “In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up…”


Genesis 7:12---It mentions the rain falling.

Genesis 7:13---It states, “In the selfsame day entered Noah… into the ark.”

Genesis 7
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

Not only does it mention rain falling, but it also gives a concluding statement that the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

THEN NEW PARAGRAPH.

¶
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

Grammatically, "the selfsame day" in verse 13 has only one possible antecedent---the 17th day of the second month mentioned in verse 11. It is structurally impossible for it to refer to a "Day One" of a seven-day warning, because that warning (verse 4) is a completely separate timeline marker. By your own admission that it took one day, and the text's proof that this day was the 17th, the "Day One" theory completely fails.

What are you talking about. You seem to think that it is ok to deny what the text says.

The first thing that Noah is told to do is enter the ark. And the text says that Noah did as he was commanded.

We also see additional proof as Noah entered the ark and that it came to pass after 7 days that the flood was upon the earth.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

This is cut and dried FACT.

You are Misinterpreting the Nature of God's Commands

You argue that because God said "Come into the ark" in verse 1, and Noah obeyed (verse 5), he must have physically walked inside and sat there on Day One. This completely ignores how commands and obedience work in the Genesis narrative.

Back in Genesis 6:14-21, God commanded Noah to build the ark. Genesis 6:22 says---"Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he."

Did Noah instantly finish the entire ark the exact second God commanded it in Chapter 6? No. The command initiates a process that culminates in a future fulfillment.

Did the text say that in the selfsame day Noah built an ark? No

The text said that Noah did as God commanded.

Similarly, the command to "Come into the ark" in Genesis 7:1 is the green light for the final phase. Noah's fulfillment of that command is what is being detailed in verses 7-16, which the text explicitly states happened on the day the waters came.

Come into the ark was the first command. Do you think Noah waited 7 days to enter the ark? Not a chance.

He entered the selfsame day, Noah, his family and all the animals.........day one as commanded.

Your Timeline Creates an Animal Loading Paradox

Your argument forces a sequence that creates an impossible logistical and narrative mess. You are suggesting that---Day 1--God says enter. Noah, his family, and thousands of wild animals walk in. The door stays wide open.

Days 2-7: They all just sit inside the ark for a week doing nothing.

Day 8----The flood hits and God shuts the door.

But look at the actual chronological flow of the text. God gives a 7-day window (verse 4), the animals arrive and assemble during those 7 days (verses 8-9), the 7 days expire (verse 10), and then they all enter on the exact day the fountains burst (verses 11-13). Noah didn't sit crammed in a stagnant boat with thousands of animals for a week waiting for rain to start.

I'll just let the text do the talking. Hard to argue with facts.

Genesis 7
Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

You Completely Ignored Genesis 7:7

Notice that in your counter argument, you completely ignored Genesis 7:7. You have no answer for it.

The text explicitly states that Noah and his family went into the ark "because of the waters of the flood."

If your argument were correct, they went in because of a 7 day countdown timer.

The text says that Noah was told first thing to enter the ark. The text says he did as commanded

Then we see confirmation in verses 9 and 10.

Your argument says Noah disobeyed God and waited until the 7th day to enter the ark. The fountains of the deep broke open on the day of the flood, it was not just rain. Noah was not sitting around until day 7.

But the text establishes a direct, physical cause and effect----The presence of water is the reason they went inside. Since there was no water on Day One of the countdown, they could not have entered "because of the waters of the flood" yet.

Noah disobeyed? The text says he obeyed. And then there is this.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Jesus Directly Refutes Your 7-Day Gap

Finally, you have still failed to address Luke 17:27, where Jesus Himself settles the timeline: "...until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all."

They were eating and drinking until the day that Noah entered the ark. No problem there

And the flood came and destroyed them all. No problem there.

Jesus treats the physical entry into the ark and the arrival of the flood as simultaneous, single-day events. He explicitly says they were living their normal lives until the day Noah entered, and that same day the flood came and destroyed them. There is no 7 day gap where Noah is sitting inside an open boat while the rest of the world carries on marrying and eating outside.

Not even the slightest chance that Noah waited 7 days to load the animals.

And then there's this

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

 

[The Light]

++++The Church will be raptured before the great tribulation. Not before the 7 years begin, before the great tribulation.

Do you believe it's possible for a believer to lose their salvation in that first half of those 7 years ?

2 Peter 2
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

 

[sondring7]

2 Peter 2
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Do you believe it's possible for a believer to lose their salvation in that first half of those 7 years ?
Your 2 verses appear to teach YES

Yet Eph 2.8-9, Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Rom 4.5, Rom 5.1, Titus 3.5-7 teaches NO

Either we have a contradiction OR my verses do not apply in the 1st of the trib.
Your thoughts ?

 

[ewq1938]

You keep IGNORING the facts that shows Jesus returns TWICE.
It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp.

That is unscriptural. There is one coming, the second one.

 

[ewq1938]

Depart from what? What does the verse say they depart from?

They depart from the faith, from Christ. That's why Apostasy is used by Paul.

 

[sondring7]

That is unscriptural. There is one coming, the second one.

The one where Christ on the way down comes in the clouds (no angels) as the dead in Christ rise and the alive are INSTANTLY caught up to meet Him 1 Thess 4.16-17 then resumes His decent to SOLID ground where His Angels GATHER Matt 24.31 the elect from one end of heaven to the other ?

 

[ewq1938]

The one where Christ on the way down comes in the clouds (no angels)

He comes with angels. He comes with the saved dead also.

 

[Davidpt]

The one where Christ on the way down comes in the clouds (no angels) as the dead in Christ rise and the alive are INSTANTLY caught up to meet Him 1 Thess 4.16-17 then resumes His decent to SOLID ground where His Angels GATHER Matt 24.31 the elect from one end of heaven to the other ?

Have you ever thought that maybe clouds might be meaning angels? The clouds are obviously not literal clouds.