Simple proof that the rapture occurs on the Last Day, which is a post tribulation rapture

[The Light]

Of course it is. The rapture takes place before the battle of Armageddon does.

What chapter and verse is that? I can't find this in the Bible. What translation do you use?

 

[Davidpt]

Of course it is. The rapture takes place before the battle of Armageddon does.

I agree but you might want to clarify what you are meaning since Pretribbers might take that to mean you agree with them about a Pretrib rapture.

 

[Davidpt]

What chapter and verse is that? I can't find this in the Bible. What translation do you use?

Before Armageddon happens the following is already true. But not because of any Pretrib rapture.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints..

This does not say 'with some of His saints'. It says 'with all His saints'. The only way that can be possible is that all the dead in Christ rose first, then those still alive on the earth at the time are caught up meet them in the air, thus forming the armies seen in Revelation 19 at that time, as they continue to descend to confront the beast and it's armies below.

In Revelation 19 when the beast and it's armies are being confronted there is not a single saint bodily on the planet. They are all up in the sky descending with Jesus to the earth. Not because of a Pretrib rapture that happened earlier, but because of a post trib rapture that happens later in the end of this age during the 2nd coming. Not 3rd coming, nor 4th coming. etc, instead.

 

[sondring7]

I agree but you might want to clarify what you are meaning since Pretribbers might take that to mean you agree with them about a Pretrib rapture.

Matt 25.37-46
In the TRIB David can lose his salvation by failing to perform.

Eph 2.8-9, Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Titus 3:5-7, Rom 4:5, Rom 5.1
Today David can't

If David goes into the trib then David failed to get 1 Th 4.16-17 raptured and will then be under trib rules to be saved.

Conc - trib is a different age, different rules than today

 

[Davidpt]

Matt 25.37-46
In the TRIB David can lose his salvation by failing to perform.

Eph 2.8-9, Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Titus 3:5-7, Rom 4:5, Rom 5.1
Today David can't

If David goes into the trib then David failed to get 1 Th 4.16-17 raptured and will then be under trib rules to be saved.

Conc - trib is a different age, different rules than today

The way I view the sheep and goats judgment it has zero to do with what took place or did not take place during great tribulation. Granted, great tribulation precedes this judgment. But that doesn't mean this judgment is specifically involving what someone did or did not do during great tribulation. It is a judgment involving professed servants of Christ. His profitable ones and His unprofitable ones. Just read in ch 25 what precedes this judgment. Then read the end of ch 24. The context is involving professed servants of His. Where some are faithful and others are unfaithful. The former is meaning the sheep. The latter is meaning the goats. It's that simple. It's called interpreting Scripture in context.

 

[sondring7]

The way I view the sheep and goats judgment it has zero to do with what took place or did not take place during great tribulation. Granted, great tribulation precedes this judgment. But that doesn't mean this judgment is specifically involving what someone did or did not do during great tribulation. It is a judgment involving professed servants of Christ. His profitable ones and His unprofitable ones. Just read in ch 25 what precedes this judgment. Then read the end of ch 24. The context is involving professed servants of His. Where some are faithful and others are unfaithful. The former is meaning the sheep. The latter is meaning the goats. It's that simple. It's called interpreting Scripture in context.

Yet that s&g judgement judges the performance of those in the tribulation, YES ?

 

[ewq1938]

What chapter and verse is that? I can't find this in the Bible. What translation do you use?

Rev 19. It shows Christ descending from the sky to fight at Armageddon. In the timeless the resurrection and rapture happens just before the events of Rev 19/white horse etc.

 

[ewq1938]

Matt 25.37-46
In the TRIB David can lose his salvation by failing to perform.

Eph 2.8-9, Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Titus 3:5-7, Rom 4:5, Rom 5.1
Today David can't

If David goes into the trib then David failed to get 1 Th 4.16-17 raptured and will then be under trib rules to be saved.

No one can fail to be raptured. Either you are a saved Christian and survived the trib and are raptured, or you worshipped the AC and took part in the apostasia/departure.

 

[The Light]

Rev 19. It shows Christ descending from the sky to fight at Armageddon. In the timeless the resurrection and rapture happens just before the events of Rev 19/white horse etc.

I looked and found no verses that say that.

This is just something that you want to happen because this is what you think. There is not scriptural proof of this.

The text says Jesus comes IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION and then sends His angels to gather the elect. This doesn't work in the you timeline. The text would have to say Jesus send His angels before the tribulation is over.

The things you believe are not in scripture.

 

[sondring7]

No one can fail to be raptured. Either you are a saved Christian and survived the trib and are raptured, or you worshipped the AC and took part in the apostasia/departure.

++++No one can fail to be raptured
If the rapture happens in the next 5 mins, will everybody be gone or just the saved ?

 

[ewq1938]

The text says Jesus comes IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION and then sends His angels to gather the elect. This doesn't work in the you timeline. The text would have to say Jesus send His angels before the tribulation is over.

The rapture happens after the trib is over not right before it ends. The verse you refer to proves that. This means pretrib and midtrib are unscriptural.

 

[ewq1938]

++++No one can fail to be raptured
If the rapture happens in the next 5 mins, will everybody be gone or just the saved ?

The rapture happens once the trib is over so it cannot happen in the next 5 min. Only the saved saints who are alive and remain will be raptured. Everyone else gets the wrath of God and it starts with those who took the mark, the first vial of wrath.

 

[sondring7]

The rapture happens once the trib is over so it cannot happen in the next 5 min. Only the saved saints who are alive and remain will be raptured. Everyone else gets the wrath of God and it starts with those who took the mark, the first vial of wrath.

+++The rapture happens once the trib is over so it cannot happen in the next 5 min
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[William Barton]

Revelation 20:9:
"And they marched over the broad earth"
και ανεβησαν επι τλατος της γης
και = and
ανεβησαν = they marched
επι = over/upon
τλατος = broad
της = the
γης = land

There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.

 

[William Barton]

+++The rapture happens once the trib is over

The rapture removes believers so they may *avoid* the bowl judgments.

The Bible says: "the Lord will come suddenly to his temple" (Malachi 3:1).
No temple --> no second coming.

 

[The Light]

The rapture removes believers so they may *avoid* the bowl judgments.

The Bible says: "the Lord will come suddenly to his temple" (Malachi 3:1).
No temple --> no second coming.

The second rapture happens at the 6th seal. Those raptured will not only avoid the bowls, but they will also avoid the trumpets as both are the wrath of God and are released when the 7th seal is opened.

 

[The Light]

The rapture happens after the trib is over not right before it ends. The verse you refer to proves that. This means pretrib and midtrib are unscriptural.

When we realize that the fig tree has two harvests, there are two folds of sheep, Jacob had two brides we realize there are two raptures.

So pretrib is a fact because the Church can escape all the things written in the Olivet Discourse and will be kept from the hour of testing that will come upon the whole world.

The second rapture happens at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation and is for the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman Israel.

Then the seventh seal is opened, and the wrath of God is poured out on an unbelieving and evil world. That would be the mysterious 6 trumpets and 7 vials that you can't seem to find. Somehow, you find the 7th trumpet but can't locate the other 6.

 

[David in NJ]

If David goes into the trib then David failed to get 1 Th 4.16-17 raptured and will then be under trib rules to be saved.

Conc - trib is a different age, different rules than today

Trib is NOT a different age = your statement is from the spirit of error as it opposes God's clear words

Today, learn an important Commandment from God = Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

 

[Scott Downey]

+++The rapture happens once the trib is over so it cannot happen in the next 5 min
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Jesus only teaches one rapture gathering, same with Paul

Example and there is a bunch of others and it happens after the tribulation of those days
Ephesians 1
9 He hath made known unto us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself,

10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth, even in Him.

 

[Scott Downey]

Matthew 24
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken,

30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and with great glory.

31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 “Now learn a parable of the fig tree: When his branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh.

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour, knoweth no man, no, not the angels of Heaven, but My Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark

39 and knew not until the flood came and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken and the other left.

42 “Watch therefore, for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched and would not have suffered his house to be broken into.

44 Therefore be ye also ready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh.

45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, that he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart, ‘My lord delayeth his coming,’

49 and shall begin to smite his fellow servants and to eat and drink with the drunken,

50 the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 and shall cut him asunder and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.