Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[Episkopos]

I see it as just being a play on words.

All we have are words. Giving each word its proper weight is something that very few are able to do. But especially with Paul, we must be painstaking. He has a way of saying things that sound like he is making definite statements when he is actually comparing things.

In this case he is comparing being absent from the body (dead) to being absent from the Lord (not in the Spirit) His transitions are NEVER very clear. He almost needs a scribe to explain his constant shifting. Like Napoleon needed a very competent chief of staff to make his orders understood. (He lost his last battle because his orders were not understood correctly)

So then God made this happen...he chose Paul...because UNLESS there is a reliable prophet to explain Paul's orders, people are going to lose their battles. Paul needs a chief of staff to get his orders across and achieve victory.

So God puts we Gentiles to the test. Unless people can discern the BODY they will not get Paul.

......turning being "present" with the Lord (after death), into speaking of being present in the body. But it might be possible there is a dual meaning there, I just dont know for sure. We need to be careful with those, in case we are just seeing/ascribing something we want to see because we want to see it to support our doctrine/theology, rather than that the scripture is teaching us.

Paul is ALWAYS using these kind of comparisons...I teach them. I don't always like the way he jumps from one kind of law to the other....never being precise....he speaks of the law of Moses in one sentence then goes to God's law, then jumps to the law of the Spirit...so that hordes of people get him all wrong.

And this is by design. God is testing the proud Gentiles who think they know anything, but they don't. God will catch the proud in their pride. I could explain in more depth but we would need to go to the Hebrew scriptures to see these warnings.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Unsure on how we are to act acceptably when we are dead.

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

That's just what he said. But it was about Paul saying alive in his body for the Corinthians away from the Lord, or dying and being with Him face to face. I understand what he means, as I feel the same way sometimes. What I've been given to teach hasn't been taught since the apostles were alive. Most Christians have been taught to believe it is impossible, but I know that's not the case at all with Jesus doing all the work.

4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. 6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

 

[Lizbeth]

So then God made this happen...he chose Paul...because UNLESS there is a reliable prophet to explain Paul's orders, people are going to lose their battles. Paul needs a chief of staff to get his orders across and achieve victory.

Ah, so you are that reliable prophet and chief of staff. All hail you. Here you go sounding so....well, Catholic again.

How about the Holy Spirit leading us into all truth and to God be the glory...?

1Jo 2:26-27

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

What is easy for some to remember doesn't mean it is easy for everyone. I'm not young any more and do have memory problems, and it is also hard for me to deal with too many moving parts at the same time, which this whole subject does seem to have a lot of moving parts and it is sometimes hard for me to take everything in, especially longer posts. (Keep wondering if it is time for me to retire from forum discussions.) I always need to whittle everything down to the bottom line with God's help, and I haven't got there yet with this subject. I guess since you are a teacher perhaps you're used to scolding young people in your church, although I believe teachers should be patient with both old and young.

Yes, I believe Romans 7 is what is is like serving God in the old way of the letter which kills and Romans 8 shows us serving in the new way of the Spirit which is life. But it is all talking to and about believers who already know Christ and have His Spirit, not unbelievers under the Law, otherwise it wouldn't be possible to walk in the Spirit, and Paul would be preaching of the need to receive Christ, not of the need to walk in His Spirit.

Galations 5 which touches on these same things in Rom 7/8, says if we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. So we can be born again and have His Spirit, but it is possible to also be in the flesh or still carnal/immature to some degree and serving in the old way of the letter rather than the new way of the Spirit ( I think that is what some call legalism)........and these scriptures are pointing us to and encouraging us to walk in the Spirit (which again wouldn't be possible if we didn't already have the Spirit). Since Galations 5 also admonishes us not to use our liberty as an occasion to the flesh, it must be possible for born again believers under grace to use it as an occasion or excuse/license/cloak to sin.

You keep going back to your own personal experience as an example of how it should be with everyone, but I'm not sure if you realize that different people receive different graces and different measures when they first come to faith/are born again. We don't all have the same cookie cutter experience.

I have a hunch that nobody in this whole discussion on holiness understands it fully, and different people have different takes on it. And for me, until or unless the Lord gives me a handle on it, I will remain at sea with it.....and so be it. My soul waits for Him.

I can relate, and I'm sorry if I came off impatient. It is the Reformers I'm mad at and their doctrine of defeatism. Maybe this will help.

The first eight chapters of Romans is a whole teaching on the Laws of God and how they've been handed down to mankind. Chapter 4, Abraham was before the Law, and obeyed God who spoke to him directly. Then because of transgressions running rampart in the world, Galatians 3:19. God gave his laws to Moses engraved on stone to be kept by the letter of the law, and His Sabbath as a sign to them. In chapter 5, David was under that set of laws and the Old Covenant. This was all leading up to an introduction of the New Covenant of the Spirit of Christ in chapter 6. Romans 7 is a conclusion on the history of God's laws, showing all three time periods and as verse one says, Paul is writing specifically to those who know the law, like the Jews. Verses 5-6 is a continuation of chapter 6 and the New Covenant. Verse 9 refers to the time period of Adam to Moses when their sins were not imputed to them and overlooked so left us alive, but in the same verse the Law was given to Moses and accountability came and mankind was culpable of their sins and received death. But Paul didn't want them to think He was saying there was something wrong with the Laws of God, as if God did anything wrong. NO! The problem was mankind's weakness to sin. So verses 14-25 are all about sinful Jews who knew the Law in their minds, but it only pointed out how they were all too weak to not sin. Oh my! What to do! What to do? That is why he wrote verse 24, "O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!" which refers back to chapter 6 on the New Covenant. Then the last verse of 25 is the concluding verse regarding the Old Covenant Law, and sinful man. "So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin."

Now the glorious chapter 8! The New Covenant and the baptism of Christ's Holy Spirit cleansing us of all unrighteousness from our "old man" from chapter 6, the sin nature we inherited because of Adam's sin way back at the beginning. Verses 8 and 9 shows mankind's weak nature in the Old Covenant, and then NOT being in that weak nature any longer because of the infilling of God's own Spirit inside of us. He does all the heavy lifting. He even writes all His laws on our minds so they are now part of us and we can by our new nature finally be right with God.

I hope that helped. I know that the Jewish eastern style of writing with all the personal present pronouns can be hard and confusing to the western mind. John uses "we" in 1 John 1 too. They just mean mankind, not Paul personally, nor John.

 

[amigo de christo]

Ah, so you are that reliable prophet and chief of staff. All hail you. Here you go sounding so....well, Catholic again.

How about the Holy Spirit leading us into all truth and to God be the glory...?

1Jo 2:26-27

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

And you wonder why an athiest was told by such
If you give to a righteous man ye shall recieve a righteous mans reward .
NO need to BELIEVE ON JESUS , just beleive epi ....................
Someone has never been pointing to JESUS . but rather to HIC with the BIG E to help guide them all .
And i think you know what i mean by E .
So when another comes along and rather than pointing to THE A , the E , HE pointed to the C as in CHRIST JESUS
he was labeled instantly the BIG R as in RELIGIOUS extremist .
THis sheep shall POINT TO JESUS the CHRIST .
As i am sure you will and the other sheep will do so as well .
Cause the inclusivity of mr E saves none
and only shuts down the voices of those who preach JESUS to the lost . JESUS the only NAME who does save
and to be saved ONE must beleive on HIM . Y ou ever get the feeling we are watching
a massive falling away occur , and its all being done by means of a false inclusive love .
IF SO ,YOU AINT ALONE . ITs massive sister and getting worse all the time .
The inclusive generation and its kings who fleece this people
have no idea that satan can say DONT JUDGE and that GOD IS LOVE .
b ut oh boy his dont judge allowed leaven in and HIS version of love WAS NEV ER ONCE OF GOD .
and how broad and inclusive it has made the path . but BROAD IS THE WAY
and inclusive is the love that LEADS TO PERDITION . For it be NOT THE LOVE OF GOD .
Had it been of GOD it would NEVER have omitted the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS
and even now calls those who do preach the dire need TO FIRST beleive on JESUS
the big RELIGIOUS Extremist . Guess they may as well have added
PAUL and all the apostels , WHO DID GO AROUND preaching the absolute dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS
the BIG R as well . And worse JESUS himself who GAVE THE GREAT COMMISSION
WHICH DARN SURE DID SAY TO GO and preach HIM to the entire world
and that all who BELIEVED would b e saved and that all who did not be damned , A RELIGIOUS EXTREMIST .
Things are NOT LOOKIN GOOD sister . Not by a long shot .

 

[Episkopos]

And you wonder why an athiest was told by such
If you give to a righteous man ye shall recieve a righteous mans reward .

Exactly I told you what Jesus said and you are non-believing.

He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. Matt. 10:41

That's part of the glorious gospel of Christ that you deny because of unbelief.

NO need to BELIEVE ON JESUS , just beleive epi ....................

Believe in the Jesus I preach that judges the heart. Ignore your rantings about head religion.

Someone has never been pointing to JESUS . but rather to HIC with the BIG E to help guide them all .
And i think you know what i mean by E .
So when another comes along and rather than pointing to THE A , the E , HE pointed to the C as in CHRIST JESUS
he was labeled instantly the BIG R as in RELIGIOUS extremist .
THis sheep shall POINT TO JESUS the CHRIST .

You point at Him instead of listening obeying and going to meet Him. There is a kind of dog called a pointer. But that is not the same as being a follower.

As i am sure you will and the other sheep will do so as well .
Cause the inclusivity of mr E saves none

God is inclusive...but He will exclude you because you exclude those for whom He died.

 

[amigo de christo]

Ah, so you are that reliable prophet and chief of staff. All hail you. Here you go sounding so....well, Catholic again.

How about the Holy Spirit leading us into all truth and to God be the glory...?

1Jo 2:26-27

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

And what was the number one thing JESUS warned his apostles to beware of and not be decieved by .
WOLVES SISTER and not just merely wolves but wolves IN WOOL sister .
Men who can come in and claim to BELIEVE ON JESUS and yet be there all along TO DECIEVE
and to lead astray .
SO far astray , IN FACT , that even the very gospel OF THE JESUS they claimed to BELIEVE ,
THEY OMIT and call religious extremism .
And if folks find that hard to believe LOOK AROUND .
And remember that IF EVEN SATAN, the Prince of DARKNESS can appear as an angel of LIGHT
marvel not if his own minstirs can appear in wool and preach darkness as light .
And now a word .
IF the light that b e in you is darkness , THEN GREAT IS that DARKNESS .
Any wonder why john warned about TESTING THE SPIRITS .
Any wonder why JOHN said IF one brings NOT this doctrine , DONT EVEN LET THEM IN THAT HOUSE of yours
or even bid them god speed , beause he who do so is partaker of his inclusive attack the true gosple deeds .
Sorry for adding a bit , but i think you got the point .
And is it any wonder that paul adamantely warned that IF PUAL HIMSELF or any other , e ven angel
does preach any other gospel , SAY LIKE THE ONE THAT OMITS THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS
and calls that rhetoric and religious extremist , let him be accursed .
This generation , this all inclusvie generation has ZERO idea what god it made its bed with by means
of a harlots love .

 

[amigo de christo]

Exactly I told you what Jesus said and you are non-believing.

He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. Matt. 10:41

That's part of the glorious gospel of Christ that you deny because of unbelief.




Believe in the Jesus I preach that judges the heart. Ignore your rantings about head religion.


You point at Him instead of listening obeying and going to meet Him. There is a kind of dog called a pointer. But that is not the same as being a follower.


God is inclusive...but He will exclude you because you exclude those for whom He died.

So the same JESUS that said that , ALSO SAID AND TOLD of the absolute dire need TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
yet you OMIT THAT .
You told an athiest NOTHING of his dire need to repent and believe on JESUS
and sold him a lie as if jus doing something good is all he needed to do .
Talk abou self righteous works epi and talk about A DENIAL of the one true gospel which darn sure
does say YE MUST BELEIVE in JESUS .
And as far as me excluded those for whom he DIED . It aint me preaching a lie to them epi .
ITS YOU . you Exclude the one thing required , the one thing that actually pleases God .
FAITH , FAITH IN HIS SON . to have that YE MUST BELIEVE ON THE SON and thus would have BELIEVED His words .
NOT used HIS WORDS , like you do , TO OMIT THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM .
So lets get this straight .
TO you the athiest is not the one in danger
ITS ME IN DANGER for preaching the dire NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS . t alk about that which is of anti christ .
EPI you actually THINK and BELIEVE GOD is gonna exclude ME Because I reminded all OF THE DIRE NEED
to BELIEVE ON JESUS
whereas you and all the other false religoins as well as atheist
WILL ALL BE INCLUDED by God FOR DENYING THE DIRE NEED TO BLEIEVE ON HIM . AS DOES ANY ATHEIST
AND scores of jews ,false religoins and gentiles do . YET I WILL BE EXCLUDED BY GOD
because I DO say one must BELEIVE .
TALK ab out A D ELUSOIN EPI . according to your doctrine
GOD would have excluded HIS OWN SON AND THE APOSTELS . HELLO EPI you are truly lost as lost can be .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

"Shall be" ... "will be" perfect... but not completely redeemed yet.
We still have the flesh and sin dwells in it's members. What is perfect is our spirit. It is pure white as snow, so that at any sudden moment of death we go to the Lord, separated from our flesh. We leave that behind.
We experience moments of perfection when the Holy Spirit works through us and we do His will. He planned and scheduled works for us to do; but they are selective, not abundantly lined up like dominos 24/7. The Bible does instruct us to walk in the Spirit and deny the flesh - yet at times we falter. But we lift ourselves and get back on track. To say we live 100% of the time perfectly would be deceiving ourselves. I suppose Mother Teresa, who completely, unselfishly sacroficed her life for poor orphaned children, loving them as best she could 24/7 is close. Was Paul perfect? No, nor Peter, they made mistakes. We still have the flesh and fall victims to temptations at times. It may not seem like sin, but the moment you choose not to love anyone in your path is a moment of selfishness, is it not? It is a moment of not loving your neighbor as yourself and frankly I confess I have been guilty of that many times. You choose your life over theirs, self preservation, finances, your time ... whatever. We are not totally unselfish all the time. My wife is more unselfish than I but even she did not compare with Mother Teresa's sacrifice.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

It may not seem like sin, but the moment you choose not to love anyone in your path is a moment of selfishness, is it not?

I believe this is imperfect but not sin. Love goes beyond not sinning and into doing good for others.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Explain how a believer is off the hook?

A believer is 'off the hook' in that he has the forgiveness of God that he believes and trusts in to keep him from the eternal penalty of their sin. Unbelievers don't have that. So the sin they commit condemns them to the eternal punishment of the unrighteous.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Galatians 5:17 is the same as Romans 7:25 and neither is born again. The Spirit in Galatians 5:17 is actually our spirit, meaning mind. It is a publisher's error.

Do you really think 'Spirit' means the Holy Spirit in vs.16 and vs. 18, but suddenly doesn't mean that in vs. 17?

Galatians 5:16-18
16So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

The context and flow of the discourse does not allow your interpretation. Paul is contrasting walking by the Spirit of God with walking according to the flesh.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

At least you do not believe in the heresy of OSAS. Good for you, though it sounded like it in what my first post above responded to. I'd still like to know what you were saying.

The only way for sin to condemn a born again believer is for them to sin willfully in conscious and deliberate unbelief. What is uncertain is if born again believers can deliberately become unbelievers again.

 

[Episkopos]

A believer is 'off the hook' in that he has the forgiveness of God that he believes and trusts in to keep him from the eternal penalty of their sin. Unbelievers don't have that. So the sin they commit condemns them to the eternal punishment of the unrighteous.

Why do you equate forgiveness with justification? Jesus said....forgive them Father for they know not what they do....but Jesus was definitely not justifying them.

Forgiveness works until a life is judged.

 

[amigo de christo]

Sort of agree with you here, I would say we receive Christ's righteousness by receiving Him. So its certainly not our doing, but its not so much us entering into Him, but Him into us. Same result however. Don't really want to argue semantics. I think it works both ways and both are true. I just see the transaction more clearly personally as "Christ in me, the hope of glory".

And by the HOLY SPIRIT would no man say or even imply its not necessary to have to BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
Hey braklite , yoo hoo the all inclusive gospel , which is no gospel does just that .
Do i need to remind us yet again
that if even I or any other or even an angel preaches any other gospel unto you than that which ye had recieved ,
BUENO BYE , let them be accursed .
ONE THING I KNOW and KNOW for Certain and that by THE HOLY SPIRIT .
NO MAN WHO has THE HOLY GHOST would ever have called JESUS accursed . As if its not necessary to Have
to BELIEVE ON HIM . Only the prince of lies by means of a harlot have ever sold such an inclusive lie
as to gather all the false religions as well as what she can of christendom to become as one and that for world peace too .
This generation has developed what some would all amnesia
but what i also would called SELECTIVE amnesia .
MEANING how they convenietnly seem to forget the parts of scripture that get in the way of inclusive love .
This people suffers from a syndrome of convenience . That darn sure conveintely selects what to FORGET
and thus omit TRUTH in favor of ............................ready ........................................steady .............................A LIE .

 

[Episkopos]

The only way for sin to condemn a born again believer is for them to sin willfully in conscious and deliberate unbelief. What is uncertain is if born again believers can deliberately become unbelievers again.

This is very wrong. The greatest sin of a believer is unbelief and a mixing of holiness with self-interest which is iniquity.

You are not understanding the purpose of regeneration at all. It is not for OUR purpose but for God's.

It is a trial run to see who will measure up to the standard of Christ. Those who fail will be rejected...and most will fail. Many are called but few are chosen.

It's like trying out for the navy seals. God watches and tests us. Those whom He approves of He chastens AND WHIPS into shape.

What percentage make it through the training? Very few indeed. In our time? So few that a child can count them.

And the reason why it is exclusive is because most will fail. The compounded error is in confusing God's HARD judgment on the saints with His easy judgment on the righteous and the humble.


So basically being born again is into the higher race of faith for glory. Most, however, will become vessels of dishonour...as examples of what NOT to do. And because of pride, these will not deviate from a course of failure.

To those who are not turned off by the truth....work out your own salvation with fear and trembling/

 

[amigo de christo]

I see it as just being a play on words.......turning being "present" with the Lord (after death), into speaking of being present in the body. But it might be possible there is a dual meaning there, I just dont know for sure. We need to be careful with those, in case we are just seeing/ascribing something we want to see because we want to see it to support our doctrine/theology, rather than that the scripture is teaching us.

Sister , many now suffer from a very very deadly syndrome . And it can indeed and will indeed
lead to death twice told .
Selective amnesia syndrom , OR SAS .
And it is a syndrome of their own making and of convience .
For how this people seems to , cough cough , conveintely forget the parts of scriptures and even words of JESUS
that gets in the way of a harlots love , her all inclusive love .
And from that have devloped stage two of the disease
which somehow has them beleiving in make beleive things that JESUS NEVER said .
In fact about the only THING JESUS said about this broad path , WHICH HE DID NOT SUPPORT ,
was IT LEADETH TO DESTRUCTION .
But they believe the inclusive broad path leads to GOD and is even his plan for their own peace n safety .
But what would you do if i told y ou
that satan can indeed appear as an angel of light
And that so too can his ministirs appear even in wool
But it is only to decieve and to fool .
And to lead them to the broad inclusive path which calls the preaching of the true gospel religious extremism .
And gives them only over , NOT to the day of great peace n safety , BUT UNTO the very day
of their own SUDDEN DESTRUCTION .
And as like king ahab , so do with this inclusive generation and its prophets that are in all religoins now .
TO call unto them all and to gather them all to a day it promises them will give them peace n safety ,
BUT IS ONLY A LYING SPIRIT that has been sent to DECIEVE all tribes , all false religoins to include
many in christendom , to the day of their own sudden destruction .
And for this cause GOD shall send them STRONG delusion to believe a LIE and to be damned .
A day wherein though they cried peace n safety , SUDDEN DESRUCTION came upon them all
and they WILL NOT escape . oH Its a delusion all right and notice whos buying it
THOSE who loved not the TRUTH ., but rather had pleasure in ............................

 

[TitusTwoWife]

It's like trying out for the navy seals. God watches and tests us. Those whom He approves of He chastens AND WHIPS into shape.

What percentage make it through the training? Very few indeed. In our time? So few that a child can count them.

And the reason why it is exclusive is because most will fail. The compounded error is in confusing God's HARD judgment on the saints with His easy judgment on the righteous and the humble.

I was lied to about Christ's standard. They were trying to comfort me (so Id fund them). But I'd rather know what the standard actually is, so I can run the race as to win the prize. It's way beyond "just believe". Christ gave us entry into the race through the cross but did not run it for us. We have to run.

 

[amigo de christo]

I was lied to about Christ's standard. They were trying to comfort me (so Id fund them). But I'd rather know what the standard actually is, so I can run the race as to win the prize. It's way beyond "just believe". Christ gave us entry into the race through the cross but did not run it for us. We have to run.

Yet without BELEIF IN JESUS THE CHRIST , this ol race leads only to the second death .
And how i see a foot race of such an event .
Because without FAITH , WELL it always was and always shall be IMPOSSIBLE to please GOD .
SO while its true we have our part , as in OBEY THE SPIRIT and heed not the flesh .
What do you suppose is going to come upon one
who MADE VOID the very gospel of JESUS which DID say YE HAVE TO BLEIEVE ON JESUS .
I dont run no race that the serpent sets before me . WE must run the race OF and IN and BY JESUS CHRIST .
For if any cometh and preaches any other gospel , well then , let them be accursed .
And if any man cometh and calls one who preaches the gospel to an atheist or any other
a religious extrmiest , BECAUSE INCLUSIVITIY teaches ITS NOT NECESSARY to have had to BLEIVE ON JESUS .
that in fact the preaching of the gospel IS IN THE WAY . Not necessary and if one does preach it
WEL then RELIGIOUS extremist b e their name . I , like paul and others before me ,
WILL surely expose a false gospel and any who does so tell it .
Now i aint saying YOU believe in a false gospel . But many do . And some of them
are amongst us RIGHT NOW , claoked even in wool
and only using the name of JESUS with the cliam they believe in JESUS
but only bring us a false gospel . dont marvel sister . it can and it does happen .
If any cometh and preaches any other gospel
another jesus , another spirit, YEAH lets NOT HEED such at all .

 

[Marvelloustime]

And by the HOLY SPIRIT would no man say or even imply its not necessary to have to BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
Hey braklite , yoo hoo the all inclusive gospel , which is no gospel does just that .
Do i need to remind us yet again
that if even I or any other or even an angel preaches any other gospel unto you than that which ye had recieved ,
BUENO BYE , let them be accursed .
ONE THING I KNOW and KNOW for Certain and that by THE HOLY SPIRIT .
NO MAN WHO has THE HOLY GHOST would ever have called JESUS accursed . As if its not necessary to Have
to BELIEVE ON HIM . Only the prince of lies by means of a harlot have ever sold such an inclusive lie
as to gather all the false religions as well as what she can of christendom to become as one and that for world peace too .
This generation has developed what some would all amnesia
but what i also would called SELECTIVE amnesia .
MEANING how they convenietnly seem to forget the parts of scripture that get in the way of inclusive love .
This people suffers from a syndrome of convenience . That darn sure conveintely selects what to FORGET
and thus omit TRUTH in favor of ............................ready ........................................steady .............................A LIE .

@amigo de christo