IS THERE ONLY WATER BAPTISM?

[Eternally Grateful]

Why are you falsely accusing me?

No one is falsly accusing you

You are saying you must do the work of being water baptized to be saved.

You accuse yourself.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When you give the scripture that teaches baptism as a meritorious work, I'll take you seriously.

A meritorious work is a work done to gain something

If your getting baptized to gain salvation (as you did) then it is a meritorious work.

 

[Titus]

No one is falsly accusing you

You are saying you must do the work of being water baptized to be saved.

You accuse yourself.

Belief is a work, John 6:28-29
- then said they unto Jesus, What shall we do that we might work the works of God
- Jesus answered and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent

You must do the work of God and believe.
You must do the work of God and be baptized.

Therefore your premise is false.

No one saves themselves in baptism apart from God.
God does the work of regeneration in baptism, Colossians 2:12-13.

You are saying you must do the work of being water baptized to be saved.

You are saying you must do the work of believing to be saved.

Your ideas about salvation are inconsistent.
On one hand you are accusing me of teaching you must do something(baptism) to be saved.
At the same time teaching you must do something(believe) to be saved.

Your teaching contradicts itself.

I hold to new testament teaching alone!!! The Bible unapologetically teaches man must do/obey to be saved. Your gospel teaches against new testament gospel.

Acts 2:37,
- now when they heard this they were pricked in the heart and said to Peter and to the rest of the apostles men and brethren what shall we  do

Acts 9:6,
- and he trembling and astonished said, Lord what wilt thou have me to  do
And the Lord said unto him, Arise and go into the city and it shall be told thee what thou must do

Acts 10:6,
- he judgeth with one Simon a tanner whose house is by the seaside,
he shall tell thee what thou oughest to  do

Acts 16:30,
- and brought them out and said, Sirs what  must I  do to be saved

The gospel never teaches man does nothing to be saved.
Obeying what Jesus says does not merit salvation.

if your doing it to get saved, stay saved or keep from losing salvation

then yes.

Saying your obeying Gods command does not help

God commanded a jew to get circumcised.. Yet paul condemned them because they tried to add it to the gospel.

no different than you adding water baptism

Yes.

Spirit baptism is required

water baptism is not

You can not even show one saying it is required. so you the one who failed.

You do not make a doctrine out of one verse.

if water baptism is required. every time the gospel is given, water baptism would be required.

No.. And acts 2 does not say what you think it does

No one is falsly accusing you

You are saying you must do the work of being water baptized to be saved.

You accuse yourself.

A meritorious work is a work done to gain something

If your getting baptized to gain salvation (as you did) then it is a meritorious work

No Bible, only doctrines of men.

unless we must save ourselves.

Gods word puts responsibility on man to be saved.
Nowhere in Jesus' gospel does it teach man is not required to make any change in his sinful living to be saved.
Acts 2:40,
- and with many words did he testify and exhort, saying Save yourselves from this untoward generation

James 1:22,
- but be ye  doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves

 

[Titus]

A meritorious work is a work done to gain something

If your getting baptized to gain salvation (as you did) then it is a meritorious work.

You do the work of belief to gain salvation.
By your own unscriptual definition, you are working, earning your salvation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Belief is a work, John 6:28-29
- then said they unto Jesus, What shall we do that we might work the works of God
- Jesus answered and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent

Its the work of God. Not your work

You must do the work of God and believe.
You must do the work of God and be baptized.

Therefore your premise is false.

No one saves themselves in baptism apart from God.
God does the work of regeneration in baptism, Colossians 2:12-13.


You are saying you must do the work of believing to be saved.

Your ideas about salvation are inconsistent.
On one hand you are accusing me of teaching you must do something(baptism) to be saved.
At the same time teaching you must do something(believe) to be saved.

Your teaching contradicts itself.

I hold to new testament teaching alone!!! The Bible unapologetically teaches man must do/obey to be saved. Your gospel teaches against new testament gospel.

Acts 2:37,
- now when they heard this they were pricked in the heart and said to Peter and to the rest of the apostles men and brethren what shall we  do

Acts 9:6,
- and he trembling and astonished said, Lord what wilt thou have me to  do
And the Lord said unto him, Arise and go into the city and it shall be told thee what thou must do

Acts 10:6,
- he judgeth with one Simon a tanner whose house is by the seaside,
he shall tell thee what thou oughest to  do

Acts 16:30,
- and brought them out and said, Sirs what  must I  do to be saved

The gospel never teaches man does nothing to be saved.
Obeying what Jesus says does not merit salvation.








No Bible, only doctrines of men.



Gods word puts responsibility on man to be saved.
Nowhere in Jesus' gospel does it teach man is not required to make any change in his sinful living to be saved.
Acts 2:40,
- and with many words did he testify and exhort, saying Save yourselves from this untoward generation

James 1:22,
- but be ye  doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves

Again, you just proved your trying to earn salvation.

Own it brother. don't deny it!! or figure out why you refuse to own it and repent. because it means something inside is convicting you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You do the work of belief to gain salvation.

eph 2: 8-9

for it is by grace I have been saved, through faith.. not of works.

faith is not a work, it is trusting in someone elses work. or your own.

By your own unscriptual definition, you are working, earning your salvation.

Nope. Because I am not doing a work of righteousness, like get water baptized. or go to church, or sell all I have, or any other command to get saved.

Your the one doing that. My faith is solely in the work of God.

 

[Titus]

Its the work of God. Not your work

Calvinism.
If its Gods work and man does not work then everyone who does not believe is Gods fault.
For He did not work the work of belief in that individual.
Your teaching is not what Jesus said.
John 6:28-29,
- then they said unto Jesus What shall we do(not what God does) that we might work the works of God
- Jesus answered and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on Him...
Jesus teaches they had to do the believing.

Did you do the believing on Christ ?
Or as you just taught, did God do the believing for you?

faith is not a work

You deny Jesus and make Him a liar, John 6:28-29.
1John 5:10,
- He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself, he that believeth not God hath made Him a liar, because he believeth not the record that God gave of His Son.

You believeth not Jesus that said we do the work of believing on Him.

eph 2: 8-9

for it is by grace I have been saved, through faith.. not of works.

Taken out of context.
Paul is teaching on boastful works in this verse. Not works of faith that God requires to be saved.

Nope. Because I am not doing a work of righteousness

Amen,
You're not doing anything to be saved by not obeying the gospel.

Acts 10:35,
- but in every nation he that feareth God and worketh righteousness is accepted by Him

Nope. Because I am not doing a work of righteousness

James 1:22,
- but be ye doers of the word and not hearers only deceiving your own selves

 

[gpresdo]

if your doing it to earn salvation. Keep salvation. or in attempt to keep from losing salvation.

then yes

If your doing it because your saved and out of gratitude for God saving you. and wanting to share that knowledge and hope to others. then no

No one is saved here on earth. Why are you trying to take Christ's assigned duty of review from Him?
On earth we are born again.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Calvinism.

Nope

Calvinism teaches God prety much has faith for you

If its Gods work and man does not work then everyone who does not believe is Gods fault.
For He did not work the work of belief in that individual.
Your teaching is not what Jesus said.
John 6:28-29,
- then they said unto Jesus What shall we do(not what God does) that we might work the works of God
- Jesus answered and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on Him...
Jesus teaches they had to do the believing.

Once again, Gods word trumps.

They ask what work THEY MUST DO.


Jesus said it is the WORK OF GOD. that THEY BELIEVE

Did you do the believing on Christ ?
Or as you just taught, did God do the believing for you?

I did what abraham did, And I was saved because I trusted God.
rom 4
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.

You deny Jesus and make Him a liar, John 6:28-29.
1John 5:10,
- He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself, he that believeth not God hath made Him a liar, because he believeth not the record that God gave of His Son.

You believeth not Jesus that said we do the work of believing on Him.

Once again, Faith is not a work.

I can not earn salvation because I trusted someone else to do all the work for me. I boast in that person. Just like abraham did. Giving God the glory.

Taken out of context.
Paul is teaching on boastful works in this verse. Not works of faith that God requires to be saved.

lol. Water baptism is a boastful work my friend

I can boast of being water baptized..

and saving myself because of that work

I can not boast because I trusted God to do wll the work of salvation and saving me.

Amen,
You're not doing anything to be saved by not obeying the gospel.

Acts 10:35,
- but in every nation he that feareth God and worketh righteousness is accepted by Him


James 1:22,
- but be ye doers of the word and not hearers only deceiving your own selves

If your working to earn salvation. then your doing it wrong. and rejecting the cross.

Water baptism is no different than circumcision's.

paul called them fools for adding circuncision. I would do the same for those adding water baptism.

it is not the act that is bad. God commanded both. it is the purpose behind why people do it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No one is saved here on earth. Why are you trying to take Christ's assigned duty of review from Him?
On earth we are born again.

I was saved.

I was saved by grace through faith (perfect tense) eph 2

I was saved not by works of righteousness which I have done, but by Gods mercy (titus 3:5)

if your not saved now. Your condemned.

Good luck with that

 

[gpresdo]

acts 2: 38 requires one repent to be saved. then tells those who are saved to get baptized.

Not correct! (here is the reason scriptures listed should be shown as correct.

Acts 2 38;

Yes.

Spirit baptism is required

water baptism is not

unless we must save ourselves.

Not correct. See acts 2 38.

 

[gpresdo]

No.. And acts 2 does not say what you think it does.



You do not make a doctrine out of one verse.

if water baptism is required. every time the gospel is given, water baptism would be required.

You can not even show one saying it is required. so you the one who failed.

Why ..explain?
It is not the only showing that baptism is required.

 

[gpresdo]

I was saved.

I was saved by grace through faith (perfect tense) eph 2

I was saved not by works of righteousness which I have done, but by Gods mercy (titus 3:5)

if your not saved now. Your condemned.

Good luck with that

If u are alive...you are not saved. You can be ...born again, but no one is saved until Christ judge s after death or rapture.
WOW...how can you teach that we can over ride Christs' Assigned duty of review?

 

[Titus]

Nope

Calvinism teaches God prety much has faith for you

Which is what you taught in a vain attempt to get out of doing the work of belief,

Its the work of God. Not your work

Your work is to believe on Jesus Christ.
Since you are doing the believing, you are trying to merit your salvation based on your definition of merit,

meritorious work is a work done to gain something

If your getting baptized to gain salvation (as you did) then it is a meritorious work

 

[Titus]

Not correct! (here is the reason scriptures listed should be shown as correct.

Acts 2 38;

Not correct. See acts 2 38.

Amen, eternally Grateful is twisting the scripture.

 

[gpresdo]

No.. And acts 2 does not say what you think it does.



You do not make a doctrine out of one verse.

if water baptism is required. every time the gospel is given, water baptism would be required.

You can not even show one saying it is required. so you the one who failed.

It says what it says...not what you have listed. There are many more that says the same.

Acts 2 38....KJV......

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.......

NOW...show me scripture that says we do not have to be water baptized?...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not correct! (here is the reason scriptures listed should be shown as correct.

Acts 2 38;

Not correct. See acts 2 38.

acts 2: 38

repent, second person plural

let every one of you be baptised - 3rd person singular

shall recieve gift of the HS - 2nd person plural

for the remmision of sin - 3rd person singular

And peter said to all of them, repent, and you shall recieve the gift of the HS

and let every one of you (who repented) be baptised on account you have recieved remmision of sin.

language of the text written does not support water baptismal salvation

try again.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why ..explain?
It is not the only showing that baptism is required.

John 3, John 1, Eph 2, John 4, John 5 John 6, Titus 3. I can go on and on and on with passages that show water baptism is not required.

 

[Titus]

acts 2: 38 requires one repent to be saved. then tells those who are saved to get baptized

False Peter tells to repent  and be baptized for the forgiveness of their sins.
Acts 2:38,
- then Peter said unto them, Repent  and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit

Eternally Grateful's perversion of Acts 2:38,
- then Peter said unto them repent for the forgiveness of your sins and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ because you are already saved and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit

Twisting Peter's words.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If u are alive...you are not saved.

Jesus said I am, as did paul

You can be ...born again, but no one is saved until Christ judge s after death or rapture.

If i am born again, I have eternal life. hence I am saved. I will never perish

WOW...how can you teach that we can over ride Christs' Assigned duty of review?

Your the one who is attributing spirit baptism to equal water baptism my friend. not me