Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

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I'm not sure what you are looking for. Christ's throne is mentioned in Rev.
Yes - The Great White Throne Judgement.
I'm trying to locate the 1 Cr 3:10-15, 2 Cr 5:6-10 Judgement Seat of Christ in Revelation


The judgment seat of Christ is different from the great white throne judgment. That will be the final judgment of the wicked prior to their being cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). Appearing before the great white throne will be unbelievers. Believers will appear before the judgment seat of Christ.

The judgment seat of Christ does not determine our salvation; that matter was settled by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2) and our faith in Him (John 3:16). All our sins are forgiven, and there is “no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Jesus said, “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life” (John 5:24, emphasis added).

 

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Yes - The Great White Throne Judgement.
I'm trying to locate the 1 Cr 3:10-15, 2 Cr 5:6-10 Judgement Seat of Christ in Revelation


I believe it would be here.


Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is the throne judgment that occurs before the Millennium.



The judgment seat of Christ is different from the great white throne judgment. That will be the final judgment of the wicked prior to their being cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). Appearing before the great white throne will be unbelievers. Believers will appear before the judgment seat of Christ.

The judgment seat of Christ does not determine our salvation; that matter was settled by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2) and our faith in Him (John 3:16). All our sins are forgiven, and there is “no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Jesus said, “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life” (John 5:24, emphasis added).

 

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I believe it would be here.


Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is the throne judgment that occurs before the Millennium.
Do you agree with gotquestions org ?
The judgment seat of Christ is different from the great white throne judgment. That will be the final judgment of the wicked prior to their being cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). Appearing before the great white throne will be unbelievers. Believers will appear before the judgment seat of Christ.
 

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The judgment seat of Christ is different from the great white throne judgment. That will be the final judgment of the wicked prior to their being cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). Appearing before the great white throne will be unbelievers. Believers will appear before the judgment seat of Christ.


Yes.
 

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This too ?

The important differences between the rapture and second coming are as follows:

1) At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).

2) The second coming occurs after the great and terrible tribulation (Revelation chapters 6–19). The rapture occurs before the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).

Why is it important to keep the rapture and the second coming distinct?

1) If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, believers will have to go through the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).

2) If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, the return of Christ is not imminent—there are many things which must occur before He can return (Matthew 24:4-30).

 

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If this is true, then why does Daniel 12 say that MANY that sleep in the dust of the earth shall be raised.

Daniel 12

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

If you would correct the Word would say ALL are raised.
You post Daniel 12:1-2 and you focus on the word "Many" as if you've canceled John 5:28-29 looking for a way out, as you give complete "Disregard" to Daniel 12:1 regarding its context and explanation as if it doesn't exist "Really"

Daniel 12:1 "Clearly Teaches" that at the time the Last Day resurrection of the righteous and wicked is taking place (The Book Of Life Is Opened)

(Every One That Shall Be Found Written In The Book) Final Judgement "THE END"


Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Final Judgement "THE END"


Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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No, there are 2.

Revelation 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest of the dead have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This also proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrection separated by a thousand years and how long that actually is doesn't matter.

Part of the dead resurrect and then "the rest of the dead" will resurrect after a period of time. That's the dead resurrecting in two parts separated by a period of time.


The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.



Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

First group resurrection: "to everlasting life"
Second group resurrection: "to shame and everlasting contempt"


Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life ; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

First group resurrection: "resurrection of life"
Second group resurrection: "the resurrection of damnation"


Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

First group resurrection: "the just"
Second group resurrection: the "unjust"

Take note that in every passage where the resurrection of the saved and unsaved are mentioned that the saved or just is always mentioned first. That's important because it is they that resurrect first! Scripture never deviates from this order. Revelation, John, Daniel and Acts all say the saved first, then the unsaved in that exact order.


Luk 14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
Luk 14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
Luk 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

He did not say the resurrection of the just and unjust. He said only the just. Again, this is evidence of two separate resurrections. The resurrection of the just is only of the just, no one else.

What we learn from these verses is that there are two resurrections. One resurrection is to life and the other resurrection is to damnation and contempt. Two resurrections! Never is there a single resurrection of both righteous and unrighteous at the same time.



We also see here that the saved/righteous are resurrected first, and at some time later the unsaved are resurrected and judged.

What these verses do not tell us is how much time is inbetween the two. For that we have to go to Revelation 20 where Christ tells John there is a thousand years inbetween. "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished". There we have the dead separated into two groups. One who are saved and will be resurrected and judged first, like Dan 12:2 and Joh 5:29 show, and the other group that has to wait until the thousand years are finished before they are resurrected and judged.
Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end
, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)


Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)


John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth
; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 
Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 
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You post Daniel 12:1-2 and you focus on the word "Many" as if you've canceled John 5:28-29 looking for a way out, as you give complete "Disregard" to Daniel 12:1 regarding its context and explanation as if it doesn't exist "Really"
There is a basket of baseballs. You tell your youngest son to go through the basket of baseballs and separate them. Find all the ones with a blue dot on them and take them to the city park baseball field. The rest leave in the basket and put them on the front porch.

When your youngest son returns you ask him what happened. He says that many of them had blue dots on them and I got them all and delivered them.

Then you tell your oldest son that there is a basket of baseballs on the front porch. I want you to take all of them to the high school baseball coach. He takes all of them. The end.

Nothing is cancelled. You just need to know the difference between many and all. Simple stuff.

Daniel 12:1 "Clearly Teaches" that at the time the Last Day resurrection of the righteous and wicked is taking place (The Book Of Life Is Opened)

(Every One That Shall Be Found Written In The Book) Final Judgement "THE END"


Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

The book is not opened. God knows who the people of Daniel are. God also knows which ones to deliver because they are in the book of life. He does not have to open the book to determine who shall be delivered and who shall be found in the book of life.

Final Judgement "THE END"

Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
All you need to do is learn the difference between the words MANY and ALL. Then it should ALL come together for you. THE END.
 

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Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end
, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)


Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)


John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth
; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 
Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The Campaign---Nations send their armies to attack Jerusalem (Zech 14:2).
Their Fate (Zech 14:12, Rev 19:21): God strikes those armies with a horrific, flesh-consuming plague.


The Remnant (Zech 14:16)---The survivors from those exact same nations are left over after that specific judgment.

Grammatically and logically, you cannot have a "remnant left over" from an event unless that event has already occurred. Because verse 12 has undeniably not happened yet in human history, verse 16 cannot be happening in the "here and now."

By forcing verse 16 into the present Church age, Amil creates a logical absurdity---it requires people to be "survivors" of a global catastrophic plague that won't happen until thousands of years after they die.




The Event (Rev 19:19 / Zech 14:2)----The nations of the earth gather their military forces to wage war against Christ and Jerusalem.

The Slaughter (Rev 19:21 / Zech 14:12)---Christ destroys the active combatants on the battlefield. Revelation describes them as "slain with the sword" and Zechariah provides the graphic medical detail of how that looks---their flesh consuming away while they stand on their feet.

The Survivors (Zech 14:16)---The non-combatants, citizens, or remaining populations back home in those aggressor nations are spared from the battlefield plague.

The Next Era (Zech 14:16): These survivors enter the subsequent kingdom period (the Millennium) and are required to submit to the King and keep the Feast of Tabernacles.


But Amils would have us believe that Zechariah lied to us in chapter 14 by telling us there are survivors from the nations which came against Jerusalem, but were spared the fate in Zech 14:12, which is also meaning Rev 19:21.

Verse 16 can't get fulfilled until verse 12 is fulfilled first. Verse 12 has not been fulfilled, in any sense, and Amils clearly know it. If Amil is the correct position, the only place verses 16-19 can logically fit is eternity, that it will be like that for forever. Don't come up = threatened with no rain all throughout eternity.

Premil avoids this absurdity. Premil has a period of time after the 2nd coming, thus after verse 12 has been fulfilled first, that can explain verses 16-19. Amils don't. All Amil has after the 2nd coming is all of eternity where verses 16-19 obviously do not belong. Nor do those verses belong to the here and now since their fulfillment relies on verse 12 being fulfilled first, which, like I already pointed out, is also meaning Rev 19:21. Are Amils seriously going to argue that Zechariah 14:12 and Revelation 19:21 are not describing the same event from different perspectives?

As to prophecy in general. No prophecies make any sense unless there is a coherent chronology involved, regardless what sense they are fulfilled in. No one can deny that Zechariah 14 involves prophecy.
 

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Daniel 12
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

The book is not opened. God knows who the people of Daniel are. God also knows which ones to deliver because they are in the book of life. He does not have to open the book to determine who shall be delivered and who shall be found in the book of life.
Your "diversion" from the fact of Daniel 12:1 is on full display, the verse shows the "Future" time of final Judgement, the very same judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15 (The End)

(Every One That Shall Be Found Written In The Book) Final Judgement "THE END"

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Final Judgement "THE END"


Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 

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Your "diversion" from the fact of Daniel 12:1 is on full display, the verse shows the "Future" time of final Judgement, the very same judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15 (The End)

(Every One That Shall Be Found Written In The Book) Final Judgement "THE END"
The verses in Daniel 12 regard the harvest that occurs at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation and before the 7th seal wrath of God.
It has nothing to do with Revelation 20.

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Final Judgement "THE END"


Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
I suggest you look up the definition of MANY and the definition of ALL. They don't mean the same thing. The End.
 

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++++Matthew 24:31KJV
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


At the same time of 1 Thess 4.16-17, 1 Cor 15.51-52
No mention of angels gathering DEAD & ALIVE believers in the twinkle of an eye.
What am I missing ?
You're missing that not all passages that describe events related to the second coming of Christ contain all the same details. Do you believe that Matthew 24:30-31 describes the same event as Revelation 19:11-21?
 

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No, there are 2.

Revelation 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest of the dead have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This also proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrection separated by a thousand years and how long that actually is doesn't matter.

Part of the dead resurrect and then "the rest of the dead" will resurrect after a period of time. That's the dead resurrecting in two parts separated by a period of time.


The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.



Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

First group resurrection: "to everlasting life"
Second group resurrection: "to shame and everlasting contempt"


Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life ; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

First group resurrection: "resurrection of life"
Second group resurrection: "the resurrection of damnation"


Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

First group resurrection: "the just"
Second group resurrection: the "unjust"

Take note that in every passage where the resurrection of the saved and unsaved are mentioned that the saved or just is always mentioned first. That's important because it is they that resurrect first! Scripture never deviates from this order. Revelation, John, Daniel and Acts all say the saved first, then the unsaved in that exact order.


Luk 14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
Luk 14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
Luk 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

He did not say the resurrection of the just and unjust. He said only the just. Again, this is evidence of two separate resurrections. The resurrection of the just is only of the just, no one else.

What we learn from these verses is that there are two resurrections. One resurrection is to life and the other resurrection is to damnation and contempt. Two resurrections! Never is there a single resurrection of both righteous and unrighteous at the same time.



We also see here that the saved/righteous are resurrected first, and at some time later the unsaved are resurrected and judged.

What these verses do not tell us is how much time is inbetween the two. For that we have to go to Revelation 20 where Christ tells John there is a thousand years inbetween. "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished". There we have the dead separated into two groups. One who are saved and will be resurrected and judged first, like Dan 12:2 and Joh 5:29 show, and the other group that has to wait until the thousand years are finished before they are resurrected and judged.
I guess you don't think that Jesus knew what He was talking about when He said a singular hour/time is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected when that hour/time comes.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

You have multiple hours/times coming when the dead will be resurrected, but Jesus did not teach that.

Other scripture teaches that the first resurrection was Christ's resurrection itself (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20-23). Believers have part in His resurrection spiritually when we go from being dead in sins to spiritually alive in Christ. Having part in the first resurrection is a requirement for avoiding the second death (Rev 20:6), but being bodily resurrected is not a requirement for avoiding the second death or else those who are alive when Jesus comes would have no way of avoiding the second death.
 

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The verses in Daniel 12 regard the harvest that occurs at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation and before the 7th seal wrath of God.
It has nothing to do with Revelation 20.


I suggest you look up the definition of MANY and the definition of ALL. They don't mean the same thing. The End.
Many does not mean "not all". All of something can be described as "many" or 'a multitude". Everyone but you knows that.
 

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You are correct.

Actually 1 Thess 4.16-17, 1 Cor 15.51-52 are also at a different time from each other.
Nonsense. Both passages refer to the resurrection of the dead in Christ which will happen when Christ returns at the last trumpet.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Do you deny that when the dead in Christ rise that they will then be changed to be incorruptible and immortal? How can you think that the dead mentioned in 1 Thess 4:16-17 are not the same as mentioned in 1 Cor 15:52? There is no basis for that belief whatsoever.
 

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If this is true, then why does Daniel 12 say that MANY that sleep in the dust of the earth shall be raised.

Daniel 12

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

If you would correct the Word would say ALL are raised.
Other translations say "multitudes" rather than "many". The Hebrew word translated as "many" or "multitudes" does not mean "many, but not all" as you imagine. When all of something is described (in this case all of the dead) they can be described as "many" or "multitudes". The word indicates that the number of those being resurrected will be very large, but does not imply that not all will be resurrected.

Daniel 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. (NIV)

There are multitudes of people living on the earth. Am I only referring to some, but not all people who are living on earth by saying that? No, I'm referring to all people and describing their number as "multitudes".

Jesus made it clear that ALL of the dead will be resurrected at the same hour/time, so Jesus obviously had a much better understanding of Daniel 12:2 than you do.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
 

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Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

Thta's false according to Rev 20.
 

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The verses in Daniel 12 regard the harvest that occurs at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation and before the 7th seal wrath of God.
It has nothing to do with Revelation 20.
I Disagree, Daniel 12:1-2 teaches of the final judgment when the book of life is opened, Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29 are the same event in (The Last Day Resurrection)

You think your going to separate Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29 by using the word "Many" as compared to "All", that's absolutely laughable, and hard to believe your denial of this very clear biblical fact, "Sad"

I have no need to further explain the last day resurrection as seen in Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29, we have run around the bush several times now, the horse is dead its all yours

Jesus Is The Lord

(Every One That Shall Be Found Written In The Book) Final Judgement "THE END"

(The Last Day Resurrection)


Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

(The Last Day Resurrection)


John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Final Judgement "THE END"


Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 

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You're missing that not all passages that describe events related to the second coming of Christ contain all the same details. Do you believe that Matthew 24:30-31 describes the same event as Revelation 19:11-21?
No. Not a chance. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal. The coming Jesus in Rev 19 occurs at the end of the 7th seal.