Who are the Saved?

[Lizbeth]

Unlike the religious speculators here...I have no views or opinions.

In other words you would rather not say........for some reason. Got it.

 

[Episkopos]

In other words you would rather not say........for some reason. Got it.

For someone who doesn't like being harassed you sure like to harass.

 

[Lizbeth]

For someone who doesn't like being harassed you sure like to harass.

......and I wonder what else you believe that you would rather not say.

 

[Episkopos]

......and I wonder what else you believe that you would rather not say.

Why should you care? Anything I would have to say would not be supportive of your new age tendencies.

 

[bdavidc]

All false and coming from the accuser of the brethren. Tell your boss that he doesn't have long left before the judgment.

You keep warning me about judgment, but I think you are the one who needs to worry.

I have repeatedly shown you what the Bible actually says, and instead of dealing with those Scriptures, you dismiss them, insult me, and now accuse me of serving Satan. That does not answer the Word of God.

Jesus said, “He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day” (John 12:48).

That is the issue here. You are not rejecting me. You keep rejecting Scripture whenever it contradicts what you want to teach.

So before you keep warning everyone else about judgment, you might want to consider your own position. God’s Word will be the standard, not your private interpretations, your experiences, or your accusations against anyone who challenges you.

 

[David1701]

So who are the saved? Who is walking in the salvation of God at the present time, and who will inherit life in the next age? These two considerations are usually confused or jumbled to be one thing. All the ways of God are BOTH mercy and truth. The word of God is like a DOUBLE edged sword. In this episode we explore the distinction between inheriting life according to mercy in the next age and inheriting life according to glory.

It's very simple: the saved are those who believe in (trust in, cling to and rely upon) the Lord Jesus Christ, by the grace of God.

Eph. 2:8-10 (Webster)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not by works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Good works are evidence that we have been saved.

 

[Episkopos]

It's very simple: the saved are those who believe in (trust in, cling to and rely upon) the Lord Jesus Christ, by the grace of God.

Eph. 2:8-10 (Webster)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not by works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Good works are evidence that we have been saved.

All this is true....and can be easily faked. The "good" works can be something we do from ourselves that seem good...in our estimation. However, the good works that are by grace are such in God's estimation, not ours. Holy works. Works prepared in advance from heaven.

The same goes for believing. What level of believing? Believing a set of religious propositions as in any human religion? Or the kind of faith that gets us translated into the kingdom realm to walk without sin? To walk in resurrection life and power.

So the gospel is not in word but in power. The decoy gospel SOUNDS like the real thing...but then a decoy would not be such unless it looked exactly like the real thing. If you want to fool people make it sound as authentic as possible.

So then, having taken that into account, what do you want to say about the good works that are done under grace? IS it just our own works of appreciation? Or are the works the same kind as Jesus does?

 

[Fathom]

So who are the saved? Who is walking in the salvation of God at the present time, and who will inherit life in the next age? These two considerations are usually confused or jumbled to be one thing. All the ways of God are BOTH mercy and truth. The word of God is like a DOUBLE edged sword. In this episode we explore the distinction between inheriting life according to mercy in the next age and inheriting life according to glory.

Episkopos,
Are women included in the salvation?

In Revelation 14:1-5, it's only men who are with the Lamb - specifically, those who have kept themselves pure and haven't been with women.

 

[Episkopos]

Episkopos,
Are women included in the salvation?

In Revelation 14:1-5, it's only men who are with the Lamb - specifically, those who have kept themselves pure and haven't been with women.

I believe so. The idea of virgins here is not a physical description but a spiritual one. The bible is about spiritual history, not physical history.

 

[David1701]

All this is true....and can be easily faked. The "good" works can be something we do from ourselves that seem good...in our estimation. However, the good works that are by grace are such in God's estimation, not ours. Holy works. Works prepared in advance from heaven.

Amen.

The same goes for believing. What level of believing? Believing a set of religious propositions as in any human religion? Or the kind of faith that gets us translated into the kingdom realm to walk without sin? To walk in resurrection life and power.

Genuine faith (i.e. believing) is trusting in, clinging to and relying upon the Lord Jesus Christ. It is a living relationship that works by love.

So the gospel is not in word but in power. The decoy gospel SOUNDS like the real thing...but then a decoy would not be such unless it looked exactly like the real thing. If you want to fool people make it sound as authentic as possible.

Yes, that's true.

So then, having taken that into account, what do you want to say about the good works that are done under grace? IS it just our own works of appreciation? Or are the works the same kind as Jesus does?

As Jesus said, the works that he does we will do also, and greater works than these, because he has gone to the Father and given us (born again Christians) the Holy Spirit.

 

[Episkopos]

Amen.


Genuine faith (i.e. believing) is trusting in, clinging to and relying upon the Lord Jesus Christ. It is a living relationship that works by love.


Yes, that's true.


As Jesus said, the works that he does we will do also, and greater works than these, because he has gone to the Father and given us (born again Christians) the Holy Spirit.

AH. Here is a believer in whom there is no guile, VERY rare these days. Pretenders take note.

 

[David1701]

AH. Here is a believer in whom there is no guile, VERY rare these days. Pretenders take note.

Thank you, Episkopos! I pray that, by the grace of God, I will live up to that.

 

[Episkopos]

Thank you, Episkopos! I pray that, by the grace of God, I will live up to that.

I believe you will do exploits for the Lord. <><

 

[MostlyConfused]

I believe so. The idea of virgins here is not a physical description but a spiritual one. The bible is about spiritual history, not physical history.

I have thought this too. It’s along the lines of Paul saying, you don’t think God was just talking about physical oxen there, do you? Paul does this in other places too, like when he tries to convey that he is speaking of Christ and the church rather than a temporal husband and wife.