Outer Darkness: a possible destiny for the saved

[JustMe]

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matt 8:12

You understand ‘the children,’ identified in this verse or as ‘the sons of the kingdom’ in this verse, based just solely on the surrounding context. They are part of the original children, the unbelieving Judahites/Jews. This is supported by its contrast with the believing children or sons of the Kingdom, such as the Centurion as an example, and the many (far more than those in Israel) coming from the West and the East outside Judea of Israel. They are understood to be the true and faithful children.

Mat 8:8 The centurion answered, “Lord, I am not worthy to have You come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed.
Mat 8:9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell one to go, and he goes; and another to come, and he comes. I tell my servant to do something, and he does it.”

Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those following Him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.
Mat 8:11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west to share the banquet with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

 

[Titus]

To whom are you referring, the old man of flesh, or the new man of the spirit of God?

You.
Do you sin?
You cannot be both at the same time,
Romans 6:4-7,
- therefore we are buried with Jesus by baptism into  death, that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father even so we also should walk in newness of life
- knowing this that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin

- for he that is dead is freed from sin

Born again christians are not the old man of sin. That old man of sin according to Paul was put to death in baptism were when we are brought up out of our burial are of a new creation.

Romans 6:10-11,
- for in that He died He died unto sin once, but in that He liveth, He liveth unto God
- Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord

 

[Titus]

See...I told you, you didn't understand--because--yes, I did explain.

Matthew 22:29

 

[ScottA]

You.
Do you sin?
You cannot be both at the same time,
Romans 6:4-7,
- therefore we are buried with Jesus by baptism into  death, that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father even so we also should walk in newness of life
- knowing this that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin

- for he that is dead is freed from sin

Born again christians are not the old man of sin. That old man of sin according to Paul was put to death in baptism were when we are brought up out of our burial are of a new creation.

Romans 6:10-11,
- for in that He died He died unto sin once, but in that He liveth, He liveth unto God
- Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord

You misunderstand (yes Matthew 22:29).

"We who are alive and remain" are alive inwardly ("within") and yet remain in the flesh and in this world until the passing of our old body of flesh. Therefore, Paul spoke of "another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind"--"both at the same time."

 

[Titus]

You misunderstand (yes Matthew 22:29).

"We who are alive and remain" are alive inwardly ("within") and yet remain in the flesh and in this world until the passing of our old body of flesh. Therefore, Paul spoke of "another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind"--"both at the same time."

You cannot live in the old man of sin and be born again at the same time.
Being born again puts to death the old man of sin, Romans 6:1-17.
1Thessalonians 4:15-17,
- for this we say unto you by the word of the Lord that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep
- for the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first

Nothing about the old man of sin in these passages.

John was preach/teaching and proclaiming what is true, saying "we" and "us" because he is speaking at a time when many were saved, but also to many who were not yet saved--which is also true for anyone reading the words even today. Which then is confirmed by him also saying "if" (these things are true). If, if, if. Which does not make "we" or "us" categorically all saved or all not, but leaves that open to "if" it is applicable to anyone person.

Therefore, it is wrong to assume John is saying everyone listening (including himself) is one way or the other. Because, he was simply stating what was and is true,

For your interpretation of 1John 1:1-10 to make sense it would read,
- if  you say that  you have no sin,  you deceive  yourselves and the truth is not in  you

ScottA, it is you gulity of reinterpreting John's grammar to fit your personal bias.

What John really writes,
- if we say that we(John includes himself) have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us

 

[ScottA]

You cannot live in the old man of sin and be born again at the same time.
Being born again puts to death the old man of sin, Romans 6:1-17.
1Thessalonians 4:15-17,
- for this we say unto you by the word of the Lord that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep
- for the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first

Nothing about the old man of sin in these passages.

Nothing in those verses say anything about the old man and the born again, either.

But I was explaining how it all fits together.

Those born again of the spirit of God still reside in the old man of flesh. You are a man of flesh aren't you...or am I talking only to a spirit?

Scripture speaks of two births, two bodies, one old, one new, one flesh, and one spirit. Contrary to that, you are describing a flesh body made alive by the spirit of God, rather than being a new creation. That's just not biblical. In reality--biblically--the old man of sin is not "put to death" when one is born again, but "in the day that you eat of it"--the very day we first sin.

So, Paul's statement--that bonus part fit neatly into his clarification of the timing of when each person rises--he calls those born again of the spirit of God--not dead, not made dead--but "alive", and remaining alive, in spite of the fact that life in the Spirit comes while we are still in that old man body that was already technically dead long before being saved by the Spirit. Paul described this unique experience as a "mystery, which is Christ in you." Not a conversion, or transformation, or replacement of one body for another body--but a new creation "in you" while we "remain."

 

[ScottA]

You cannot live in the old man of sin and be born again at the same time.
Being born again puts to death the old man of sin, Romans 6:1-17.
1Thessalonians 4:15-17,
- for this we say unto you by the word of the Lord that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep
- for the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first

Nothing about the old man of sin in these passages.


For your interpretation of 1John 1:1-10 to make sense it would read,
- if  you say that  you have no sin,  you deceive  yourselves and the truth is not in  you

ScottA, it is you gulity of reinterpreting John's grammar to fit your personal bias.

What John really writes,
- if we say that we(John includes himself) have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us

I am not "reinterpreting" but explaining.

• The point is--saved or not...according to John--we/us have sin.
• Paul then explains and speaks of the flesh and spirit being two different bodies, saying, "There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body" and " what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be."
• Which is the basis by which Paul says "we who are alive and remain", having past from death to life by "Christ in you" who "does not sin" according to John.
• However, Paul also explained the two bodies warring "within" the members of these old man bodies, as confirmation on just how and why one who is saved can still be seen struggling, just as he struggled; and thus the need to "discipline" our old flesh "body and bring it into subjection" of our new creation spirit body within, which is Christ in us.
• All of which biblically describes a temporary and provisional continuation of the flesh body, for the purpose of good works and spreading the good news of the gospel. "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death" (Revelation 12:11).

 

[MostlyConfused]

To whom are you referring, the old man of flesh, or the new man of the spirit of God?

Ah, there it is again - that “Molinos” thing. I am determined to understand it. I have more recently been through the strangeness of it but I still can’t grasp…the MOTIVE for coming to the settling on it. And then, that’s just my own bent too, from how I was raised and the vigilance required for survival of my…psyche, that I need to know motive. If motives had been good and kind toward me I might not be always looking for human motive in the chaos, I don’t know.

Guyon said something I think is relevant. Something like the confusion and embarrassment, to see that when you’re stripped then even of the good/virtue you previously had, that God seems to be even MORE…abundant with you rather than how you think He should be and what you clearly see you deserve. So it’s like you come to the conclusion that you must not be as bad as you think, or a part of you must not be, or else He would not be so abundant with you?

And then too, because you’ve come to hate yourself and see yourself as an enemy of yourself and God, you come to a point where it seems you do not identify with yourself anymore and…feel somehow separated, not connected to who you were always connected to all your life. It’s like something has been severed. So…I think this is also a piece of the puzzle for why and how you can come to the conclusion that you can sin outwardly but not inwardly and think that it’s your body you have been severed from.

But we know the body is just the tent we live in and it’s neutral in all this. The body/tent is not the problem. It’s the mind, will, memory/emotions where the problem is. It’s from INSIDE that the problem springs. So the conclusion is wrong and the conclusion is a clever hindrance that stops us from advancing. It’s like we do away with righteousness and so we can’t advance. It’s to do away with righteousness to conclude that our tent is our flesh is our body. No. The tent isn’t the problem. The problem is INSIDE the tent.

And Paul said it’s no longer I who sin, but sin IN me. So he surely understood this mess. But he certainly didn’t come to the conclusion that we would all stay stuck there or that we would not have to answer for what we did while in the tent/body. Argh….

 

[MostlyConfused]

I wish he hadn’t said “I put my body under”, because it’s not the body that’s the problem. It’s just the get-away car. The problem is the thief DRIVING the car.

 

[Titus]

Those born again of the spirit of God still reside in the old man of flesh. You are a man of flesh aren't you...or am I talking only to a spirit?

As I have already explained to you, Paul teaches us the "old man of sin" is put to death when we are born again, Romans 6:1-17. Read it three times.

You cannot be born again and still be in your sins, which is what the old man of sin is.
Its impossible to be both at the same time.
The "old man" is the former life that was lived in sin.

You are claiming that John and Peter and Paul being apostles do not sin, while at the same time arguing they while in their fleshly bodies are still the "old man of sin".
You are repeatedly contradicting yourself.

Ephesians 4:22,
- that ye put off concerning the  former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts

the old man is the former way of life characterized by sinful desires and conduct.

Those born again of the spirit of God still reside in the old man of flesh. You are a man of flesh aren't you...or am I talking only to a spirit?

The bible never teaches the "old man" is the physical body of man.
It is the former life before one is born again.
Romans 6:1-7,
- knowing this that our old man is crucified with Jesus that the body of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin

Paul connects the old man with Christs crucifixion and the born again Christian's freedom from slavery to sin.

The point is--saved or not...according to John--we/us have sin.

Correct, and John includes himself as a sinner, 1John 1:1-10.

• Paul then explains and speaks of the flesh and spirit being two different bodies, saying, "There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body" and " what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be."
• Which is the basis by which Paul says "we who are alive and remain", having past from death to life by "Christ in you" who "does not sin" according to John.

Christ didn't sin, that does not mean born again christians never sin.
Paul tells Christians they are to live as Christ live to emulate Christ.
Philippians 2:5,
- Let this  mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus

1Corinthians 11:1,
- be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ

Since we must emulate Christ.
Christ could have sinned, therefore the born again must also resist temptation.
The saved can sin and sometimes do. Fall short, But the saved no longer make sinful living their lifestyle.
That is what the old man was. Born again put that sinful living to death, thus the old man has been put to death,

This is what John is treaching not that born again christians never sin.
1John 3:9,
- whoever is born of God(born again) does not commit sin, for His seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

John does not mean a Christian is incapable of sinning as you teach.
1John 1:1-10 proves this interpretation is wrongly dividing the word.

The distinction you need to learn is - does not commit sin/ cannot sin is referring to his way of life, his daily practice of resisting sinful desires. His heart does not desire to live in sin anymore.
John contrasts this with the children of the devil who live for sin, they do not resist temptation.
The essential distinction is between committing a sin and practicing sin as a way of life.

1John 3:10,
- in this the children of God are manifest and the children of the devil, whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother

ScottA, put these passages together:
1John 1:8-10 - Christians must acknowledge their sins rather than deny them.
1John 2:1 - christians should not sin, but Jesus is their advocate if they do.
1John 3:6-10 - those born of God must not live a life characterized by practicing willful unrestrained sin.
Romans 6:1-14 - christians must not allow sin to reign over them.

You can't reconcile all that with all scripture, namely, this:

1 John 3:9Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

I already have Sir.

You show here above just the opposite of what you claim...

For John said, "If" and "He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins"--meaning he speaks of those not forgiven--unsaved.

Key word you keep overlooking is  our
John includes himself among those who need forgiveness of sins.
You do err when you teach the born again are incapable of sinning.
The apostles sinned, John says so and Peter is an example, Galatians:2:12-14.

Matthew 22:29

 

[Titus]

ScottA you contradict yourself with what you teach,

What you are not accounting for, is that one born again of the spirit of God--is not the old man of sin and death--but is a completely new man and creation

Above statement by you is Biblically correct.
Now you contradict your own teaching,

Those born again of the spirit of God still reside in the old man of flesh. You are a man of flesh aren't you...or am I talking only to a spirit?

Both cannot be true.
Your teaching is inconsistent.
You are confused.

 

[Episkopos]

As I have already explained to you, Paul teaches us the "old man of sin" is put to death when we are born again, Romans 6:1-17. Read it three times.

You cannot be born again and still be in your sins, which is what the old man of sin is.
Its impossible to be both at the same time.
The "old man" is the former life that was lived in sin.

You are claiming that John and Peter and Paul being apostles do not sin, while at the same time arguing they while in their fleshly bodies are still the "old man of sin".
You are repeatedly contradicting yourself.

Ephesians 4:22,
- that ye put off concerning the  former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts

the old man is the former way of life characterized by sinful desires and conduct.


The bible never teaches the "old man" is the physical body of man.
It is the former life before one is born again.
Romans 6:1-7,
- knowing this that our old man is crucified with Jesus that the body of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin

Paul connects the old man with Christs crucifixion and the born again Christian's freedom from slavery to sin.


Correct, and John includes himself as a sinner, 1John 1:1-10.

Christ didn't sin, that does not mean born again christians never sin.
Paul tells Christians they are to live as Christ live to emulate Christ.
Philippians 2:5,
- Let this  mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus

1Corinthians 11:1,
- be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ

Since we must emulate Christ.
Christ could have sinned, therefore the born again must also resist temptation.
The saved can sin and sometimes do. Fall short, But the saved no longer make sinful living their lifestyle.
That is what the old man was. Born again put that sinful living to death, thus the old man has been put to death,

This is what John is treaching not that born again christians never sin.
1John 3:9,
- whoever is born of God(born again) does not commit sin, for His seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

John does not mean a Christian is incapable of sinning as you teach.
1John 1:1-10 proves this interpretation is wrongly dividing the word.

The distinction you need to learn is - does not commit sin/ cannot sin is referring to his way of life, his daily practice of resisting sinful desires. His heart does not desire to live in sin anymore.
John contrasts this with the children of the devil who live for sin, they do not resist temptation.
The essential distinction is between committing a sin and practicing sin as a way of life.

1John 3:10,
- in this the children of God are manifest and the children of the devil, whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother

ScottA, put these passages together:
1John 1:8-10 - Christians must acknowledge their sins rather than deny them.
1John 2:1 - christians should not sin, but Jesus is their advocate if they do.
1John 3:6-10 - those born of God must not live a life characterized by practicing willful unrestrained sin.
Romans 6:1-14 - christians must not allow sin to reign over them.

I already have Sir.

Key word you keep overlooking is  our
John includes himself among those who need forgiveness of sins.
You do err when you teach the born again are incapable of sinning.
The apostles sinned, John says so and Peter is an example, Galatians:2:12-14.

Matthew 22:29

All I ever see is people trying to take a nuanced multi-layered truth and turn it into a one size fits all explanation that is only half true.

1. At conversion we go from being slaves of sin to slaves of righteousness (not holiness). So then outward sins and the love of that goes away...the "old man" is the person who we USED TO BE...and is now dead. Up to here you would agree no doubt. So we cover Romans 6.

2. Romans 7 reveals that even though our desire is ONLY for God, we remain incapable of overcoming all sin. Sin is still in us...in our nature....in the OUTER man...the covering we have trusted in since 2 years old. Our old carnal nature covering is still intact even as the heart is renewed. Paul says....no longer I but sin in me. So then the initial grace takes care of our inner man regeneration...but we still have a sin covering as a monkey on our back...which flares up when we least expect it. IOW we are still walking in the POWER of the flesh.

3. Romans 8 is about being crucified with Christ to have the outer man sin nature taken away from us to allow our regenerated inner man to be covered by Christ in HIS resurrection life and power. As Paul says...it is no longer I but Christ. At that stage one is EMPOWERED by Christ to walk in EXACTLY the same life and power that Jesus did. As such we become overcomers and fellow heirs with the saints (in holiness)

So we go from being slaves of righteousness to slaves of Christ in holiness. 2 BIG steps.

 

[Titus]

1. At conversion we go from being slaves of sin to slaves of righteousness (not holiness)

Wrong, you cannot be made righteous/justified/sanctified by God and not be made holy also.

3. Romans 8 is about being crucified with Christ to have the outer man sin nature taken away from us to allow our regenerated inner man to be covered by Christ in HIS resurrection life and power. As Paul says...it is no longer I but Christ. At that stage one is EMPOWERED by Christ to walk in EXACTLY the same life and power that Jesus did. As such we become overcomers and fellow heirs with the saints (in holiness)

So we go from being slaves of righteousness to slaves of Christ in holiness. 2 BIG steps.

Wrong, your doctrine is unscriptual.
We are made holy when God saves us not saved then later in life made holy as you teach.

1Corinthians 6:11,
- and such were some of you, but ye are washed but ye are sanctified but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God

Sanctified = set apart which means one is holy.

 

[Episkopos]

Wrong, you cannot be made righteous/justified/sanctified by God and not be made holy also.


Wrong, your doctrine is unscriptual.
We are made holy when God saves us not saved then later in life made holy as you teach.

1Corinthians 6:11,
- and such were some of you, but ye are washed but ye are sanctified but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God

Sanctified = set apart which means one is holy.

You have fully missed the process of salvation...thinking an initial grace is enough. You are burying your talent.

Go to God and buy the full measure of grace...and walk as Jesus walked.

 

[Titus]

You have fully missed the process of salvation...thinking an initial grace is enough. You are burying your talent.

That's an assumption. I never taught salvation is not an ongoing process.
There is a  day when one is justified/sanctified by God.
From that day forth, one must continue in faithfulness to remain saved, Revelation 2:10.
2Corinthians 6:2,
- for He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee Behold now is the accepted time, now is the day of salvation

 

[bdavidc]

I don't take my orders from you.

And your interpretation and understanding--that's on you.

I did not asked you to take orders from me. I asked you to stop changing what Scripture says to defend your interpretation.

You claimed that Paul's words "I myself" in 1 Corinthians 9:27 refer to another person. That is simply false.

Read what Paul actually wrote:

"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Corinthians 9:27)

Paul said "I keep," "my body," "I have preached," and "I myself." He is plainly speaking about himself! Read verses 24-27 together. Paul compares the Christian life to running a race and exercising self-control. Nothing in the passage says "I myself" means some third person.

And before you twist this passage any further, the word translated "castaway" means disapproved or disqualified. We must examine what Paul means in context rather than automatically assuming he is teaching either the loss of salvation or your interpretation about the old man.

You also appealed to 1 John 3:9 to argue that someone born of God cannot sin. Yet the same apostle wrote:

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." (1 John 1:8)

And again:

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." (1 John 2:1)

John was not contradicting himself. He was teaching that those born of God must not live in sin, while also acknowledging that believers still need Christ as their advocate when they sin.

You cannot build a doctrine on one verse while ignoring other Scriptures that explain it.

And as for your statement that my understanding is "on me," Scripture says:

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Dismissing correction is not answering it. You have repeatedly offered your own explanations while failing to establish them from the actual words of Scripture.

If my understanding is wrong, show me from the Bible. But telling me you don't take orders from me proves absolutely nothing about what God has written.

The question is not whose interpretation wins. The question is what Scripture actually says, in context.

 

[Titus]

Key difference between Once Saved Always Saved and Perseverance of the Saints:

Perseverance of the saints is the logical conclusion from Calvinist doctrine.

The elect have been elected by no choice of their own.
They have been delivered from their sin by a predetermined limited number of the chosen by God.
Gods grace is irresistible, therefore they will live believe in God, their belief and repentance is Gods gift that cannot be refused.
They will persevere in faith as their faith is not their own but a gift given by God only to those chosen by God before they were created.

Since God controls every thought and every action, they will never completely loose their faith in God, thus they cannot be lost.

OSAS, teaches man has free will ability to resist God. But once one is saved God seals their fate by indwelling them with the gift of the Holy Spirit, which is promised to those who believe, Ephesians 1:13.

This promise seals or guarantees them eternal life regardless of how much sin they commit. As sin does not play any part in salvation as there is nothing man can do whether good works or works of the flesh that can cause him to be seperated from the living God in a salvific sense.
God will keep His promise and man plays no part as this promise has no requirements attached.

Therefore OSAS proponents can become atheists die in unbelief and still be saved.

 

[ScottA]

Ah, there it is again - that “Molinos” thing. I am determined to understand it. I have more recently been through the strangeness of it but I still can’t grasp…the MOTIVE for coming to the settling on it. And then, that’s just my own bent too, from how I was raised and the vigilance required for survival of my…psyche, that I need to know motive. If motives had been good and kind toward me I might not be always looking for human motive in the chaos, I don’t know.

Guyon said something I think is relevant. Something like the confusion and embarrassment, to see that when you’re stripped then even of the good/virtue you previously had, that God seems to be even MORE…abundant with you rather than how you think He should be and what you clearly see you deserve. So it’s like you come to the conclusion that you must not be as bad as you think, or a part of you must not be, or else He would not be so abundant with you?

And then too, because you’ve come to hate yourself and see yourself as an enemy of yourself and God, you come to a point where it seems you do not identify with yourself anymore and…feel somehow separated, not connected to who you were always connected to all your life. It’s like something has been severed. So…I think this is also a piece of the puzzle for why and how you can come to the conclusion that you can sin outwardly but not inwardly and think that it’s your body you have been severed from.

But we know the body is just the tent we live in and it’s neutral in all this. The body/tent is not the problem. It’s the mind, will, memory/emotions where the problem is. It’s from INSIDE that the problem springs. So the conclusion is wrong and the conclusion is a clever hindrance that stops us from advancing. It’s like we do away with righteousness and so we can’t advance. It’s to do away with righteousness to conclude that our tent is our flesh is our body. No. The tent isn’t the problem. The problem is INSIDE the tent.

And Paul said it’s no longer I who sin, but sin IN me. So he surely understood this mess. But he certainly didn’t come to the conclusion that we would all stay stuck there or that we would not have to answer for what we did while in the tent/body. Argh….

This great mystery that Paul spoke of is the choice of "life and death blessing and cursing" that God has made manifest and set before us. That we should choose life which is not in the flesh, but in the spirit--which is God ("Christ in us") if we so choose.

 

[Episkopos]

Wrong, you cannot be made righteous/justified/sanctified by God and not be made holy also.

This is a HUGE miscalculation. Turning from sin does not make you holy. Turning from being a slave of sin to become a slave of righteousness....has nothing to do with holiness. You have to read the text without adding in your indoctrination and opinions..IF you don't want to be seen as aberrant in your doctrine.

be WAYYY more honest in your reading.

By claiming to be holy you stop being righteous because you become a liar and a thief in God's economy. No holy person is a liar. But these are not permitted into the kingdom of God.

Learn to be honest, learn reading skills. Accept godly correction.

 

[marks]

John 7:52,
- they answered and said unto Him, art thou also of Galilee, Search, and look: for no prophet ariseth out of Galilee

Jonah?