The Coming FALSE MESSIAH

[Douggg]

It's a 70yr continuous prophecy. Extracting or breaking off the last week to fit into some other preconception reflects poor exegesis which I for one can not take seriously.

Does Seventh Day Adventist have a table/chart of the 15 end times time frames given in the bible ?

Here is my table/chart of those...

 

[amigo de christo]

Hmmmm.....read it slowly following my communications back a few posts.

The references to 'he' in Dan. 9:27 are two different 'He's'. The first two he's refer to Jesus, the third 'he' is to antichrist
Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The 'He' who confirms the covenant is Jesus, ie the covenant made with the Patriarchs.
From the beginning of Jesus' ministry, ie his baptism to the stoning of Stephan is 7 years (this time period is where the Gospel went exclusively to the Jews) In the middle of that 7 year period (1 week) Jesus was crucified (cut off). Thereon afterward the sacrifices (symbol) offered at the Jewish temple had no import because the symbol was met with the reality (the crucifixion) hence the curtain dividing the Holy from the Most Holy was torn from top to bottom

The 'he' that sets up 'an abomination that causes desolation' is an antichrist.

These two actors are also confirmed in vs 26
Daniel 9:26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

The diagram I posted in #85 lays it out.

regardless of who one thinks or beleives this is talking about . The HE is the same HE in all three places .
If we begin to do what you do to the scrips then we can make them fit anything we want them too .
It would have made it clear had it been two different ones .

 

[quietthinker]

regardless of who one thinks or beleives this is talking about . The HE is the same HE in all three places .
If we begin to do what you do to the scrips then we can make them fit anything we want them too .
It would have made it clear had it been two different ones .

It is clear. The two 'he's' have opposing characters. This is evident in the Angel's prophecy to Daniel.
God is not schizophrenic.

 

[quietthinker]

Does Seventh Day Adventist have a table/chart of the 15 end times time frames given in the bible ?

Here is my table/chart of those...

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I've seen this chart of yours before. I think it is a poor cobbling based on a faulty paradigm; a paradigm which does not have the Gospel/ Jesus as the primary driving factor.
The driving factor of your paradigm is a crystal ball type of approach which see's its objective as future telling for its own sake

 

[Sel@h]

It is clear. The two 'he's' have opposing characters. This is evident in the Angel's prophecy to Daniel
God is not schizophrenic.

Hi…Can you show us the two opposing characters? I believe it’s just one ol’ dirty bird who will show up pretty soon claiming he’s the Messiah. He’s going down, though, so not to worry.

 

[quietthinker]

Hi…Can you show us the two opposing characters? I believe it’s just one ol’ dirty bird who will show up pretty soon claiming he’s the Messiah. He’s going down, though, so not to worry.

Some context first....
We are dealing with a prophecy primarily spanning 490 years from the given reference for the start of this time period; the beginning of v 25.
At the outset the angel tells Daniel the objective (v 24) before any details are given.

Daniel is in Babylon serving a foreign King while Jerusalem lies in ruins. By combing the writings of Jeremiah he becomes aware that the time of Israels captivity foretold by Jeremiah is nearing its end. He them prays and appeals to God's mercy for his own name's sake (God's) vs 17-19
The angel arrives in response and tells him that his people (Israel) have another time period metered out for them....and I might add, a weightier verdict than a 'temporary' captivity, namely reaching to the anointed one (the promised Messiah).....and beyond: the fate of another destruction of their rebuilt City.....and the antagonist

Below I have highlighted the opposing characters of the two 'he's in red and green from verses 26 - 27
Red referencing the anointed one (Jesus)
Green referencing the antagonist and his end.

26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

 

[Earburner]

Hmmmm.....read it slowly following my communications back a few posts.

The references to 'he' in Dan. 9:27 are two different 'He's'. The first two he's refer to Jesus, the third 'he' is to antichrist
Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The 'He' who confirms the covenant is Jesus, ie the covenant made with the Patriarchs.
From the beginning of Jesus' ministry, ie his baptism to the stoning of Stephan is 7 years (this time period is where the Gospel went exclusively to the Jews) In the middle of that 7 year period (1 week) Jesus was crucified (cut off). Thereon afterward the sacrifices (symbol) offered at the Jewish temple had no import because the symbol was met with the reality (the crucifixion) hence the curtain dividing the Holy from the Most Holy was torn from top to bottom

The 'he' that sets up 'an abomination that causes desolation' is an antichrist.

These two actors are also confirmed in vs 26
Daniel 9:26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

The diagram I posted in #85 lays it out.

Sorry, you will NEVER understand the truth of Dan. 9:24-27, if you try to discern it by using different bible translations. Stay with the KJV only and the Holy Spirit within you, and He will not let you become confused.

Read Isa. 55:8-9, then read all of 1 Cor. ch. 2, and then focus on:
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might KNOW the THINGS that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost TEACHETH; comparing spiritual THINGS with spiritual.

 

[quietthinker]

Sorry, you will NEVER understand the truth of Dan. 9:24-27, if you try to discern it by using different bible translations. Stay with the KJV only and the Holy Spirit within you, will not let you become confused.

I find the above a very poor answer re my reply considering this prophecy is a pertinent reference point to the Messiah .

 

[Douggg]

I've seen this chart of yours before. I think it is a poor cobbling based on a faulty paradigm; a paradigm which does not have the Gospel/ Jesus as the primary driving factor.
The driving factor of your paradigm is a crystal ball type of approach which see's its objective as future telling for its own sake

So post the Seventh Day Adventist version of the 15 end times time frames given in the bible.

Here's the list.

42 months - Revelation 11:2
42 months - Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14
time, times, half time - Daniel 7:25
time, times, half time - Daniel 12:7
1290 days - Daniel 12:11
1335 days - Daniel 12:12
2300 days - Daniel 8:14
1260 days - Revelation 11:3
1260 days - Revelation 12:6
7 months - Ezekiel 39:12
5 months - Revelation 9:10
3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11
7 years - Daniel 9:27
7 years - Ezekiel 39:9

 

[Sel@h]

Some context first....
We are dealing with a prophecy primarily spanning 490 years from the given reference for the start of this time period; the beginning of v 25.
At the outset the angel tells Daniel the objective (v 24) before any details are given.

Daniel is in Babylon serving a foreign King while Jerusalem lies in ruins. By combing the writings of Jeremiah he becomes aware that the time of Israels captivity foretold by Jeremiah is nearing its end. He them prays and appeals to God's mercy for his own name's sake (God's) vs 17-19
The angel arrives in response and tells him that his people (Israel) have another time period metered out for them....and I might add, a weightier verdict than a 'temporary' captivity, namely reaching to the anointed one (the promised Messiah).....and beyond: the fate of another destruction of their rebuilt City.....and the antagonist

Below I have highlighted the opposing characters of the two 'he's in red and green from verses 26 - 27
Red referencing the anointed one (Jesus)
Green referencing the antagonist and his end.

26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst ofthe week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for theoverspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until theconsummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This passage concerns the time of the end, when events involving Daniel’s people and city—the true house of Israel and Jerusalem—will continue.

Jesus Christ referred to this verse in Daniel 9 when He spoke in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 about “the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet” standing in the holy place. Paul likewise writes in 2 Thessalonians 2 that this figure will present himself to the world as God.

The desolation will continue “even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” In this interpretation, that means it lasts until the end, when God pours out His wrath and brings the transgression to an end.

So, here’s how it will happen: The little horn, which is Satan, will appear in the last days and “confirm the covenant with many” for the seventieth week. This will bring in the first beast of Revelation 13, which will be worshipped, and will strengthen a coalition of many peoples, nations, and languages. This is the New World Order.

 

[David in NJ]

There is a huge difference between having a hope based on God's activity in Jesus, the other on one's ego which justifies or refuses to consider their paradigm could be faulty.
The first has a quiet assurance and a gentle spirit, the second a justifying, self-focused, persecution card pulling and or a repetitive many word explanation approach.

The Holy Spirit wants you to hear this song.
Maybe you already have!

 

[David in NJ]

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst ofthe week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for theoverspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until theconsummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This passage concerns the time of the end, when events involving Daniel’s people and city—the true house of Israel and Jerusalem—will continue.

Jesus Christ referred to this verse in Daniel 9 when He spoke in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 about “the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet” standing in the holy place. Paul likewise writes in 2 Thessalonians 2 that this figure will present himself to the world as God.

The desolation will continue “even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” In this interpretation, that means it lasts until the end, when God pours out His wrath and brings the transgression to an end.

So, here’s how it will happen: The little horn, which is Satan, will appear in the last days and “confirm the covenant with many” for the seventieth week. This will bring in the first beast of Revelation 13, which will be worshipped, and will strengthen a coalition of many peoples, nations, and languages. This is the New World Order.

Satan's covenant for a 'week' is not the 70th week.

The 70th Week Began with CHRIST and Ends with CHRIST

The Antichrist is a counterfiet messiah = thus why christiandom believe the 70th week begins with him.