Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[amigo de christo]

A Christian walking in the Light as the Lord walks in the Light is being led by the Holy Spirit and is serious about their relationship with the Lord so this type person would certainly not be committing any murders considering the Holy Spirit does not lead people to do murder.

The Lord said in Matthew 12:34 out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, so swearing is not a good thing.

guess what else the HOLY SPIRIT does not lead us to do . TO SIN and JUSTIFY OUR SIN .
WHY do i see rainbows in our churches .
WHY do i see the love of money in our churches
WHY do i see an all inclusive god in our churches .
WHY do i see a god who seems okay with the preferred choice of sin that one holds too .
WHY do i see , oh WHY mr randy do I SEE
a version of JESUS and of GOD that offers up the peace solution of anti christ
being so embraced by so many churches .
WHY do i see a god that always hollers judge not God is love , anytime one cometh to correct sins and errors
IN those churches .
CAUSE THAT THE HOLY GHOST DOES NOT DO . seems to me that many have come
to another jesus and thus another god .

 

[JustMe]

The unrighteous in God's house are cast into outer darkness because they are saved by calling on the name of the Lord.

I may as well get this blatant false statment of yours over with as well..

• Causality Error: The unrighteous are cast into outer darkness specifically because they reject God's invitation or fail to meet His terms (such as lacking the proper "wedding garment" of righteousness, they never accepted the terms of the gift of salvation being given and yet forced they way in anyway - by the wrong means or door), not because they are saved.
• Theological Contradiction: The phrase "saved by calling on the name of the Lord" is the biblical condition for salvation and entry into the Kingdom (Romans 10:13). Those cast into outer darkness are described as those who are not saved, having been excluded from the feast due to unbelief, disobedience, or rejection of the King.

In summary, being cast into outer darkness is the consequence of not being saved by calling on the Lord, whereas calling on the Lord results in salvation and inclusion in the Kingdom.

Where do you find these exaggerated and incredible differences in thought and even spirit, that are completely differ from the true gospel?

 

[marks]

But it could also mean you do have the Spirit but your mind is not educated in the things of the Lord, or you are not familiar with the Lord's help in the battle with sin.

This is the renewing of the mind, as the Spirit retrains us, exercises us, into the new way of life.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

I may as well get this blatant false statment of yours over with as well..

• Causality Error: The unrighteous are cast into outer darkness specifically because they reject God's invitation or fail to meet His terms (such as lacking the proper "wedding garment" of righteousness, they never accepted the terms of the gift of salvation being given and yet forced they way in anyway - by the wrong means or door), not because they are saved.
• Theological Contradiction: The phrase "saved by calling on the name of the Lord" is the biblical condition for salvation and entry into the Kingdom (Romans 10:13). Those cast into outer darkness are described as those who are not saved, having been excluded from the feast due to unbelief, disobedience, or rejection of the King.

In summary, being cast into outer darkness is the consequence of not being saved by calling on the Lord, whereas calling on the Lord results in salvation and inclusion in the Kingdom.

Where do you find these exaggerated and incredible differences in thought and even spirit, that are completely differ from the true gospel?

you are having dialogue with a man named epi who is only much farther along
in the same inclusivity that has began in mass in the churches .
And if we do not part company with such , then FALL one surely will . the lie . epi beleives it as does a child .
YOU dont seem to beleive it at all , but mark my words
if you ARE connected to anything ecumeincal inclusive , YOU WILL BELIEVE the same lie in time .
OF course i am not saying you are connected , i am just warning you , reminding you .

 

[Episkopos]

If I go back to living in sin I won't go to hell? I'll instead go to outer darkness?
There's no darkness in God or in His kingdom, so where is outer darkness at exactly?

I think the term "outer darkness" says what it needs to. Do a study about it.

Iniquity is against holiness. Unforgiveness is against righteousness.

 

[amigo de christo]

This is the renewing of the mind, as the Spirit retrains us, exercises us, into the new way of life.

Much love!

the new way of life does not justify the old ways of the old man and his sin or any sin .
WHY am i seeing rainbows in our churches .
WHY am i seeing an all incluisive god in our churches .
WHY am i seeing more and more run to the peace of anti christ .
SOMETHING is dead wrong marky mark . And while it may give good f eelings and vibrations
IT IS OF THE DEVIL .
Something is dead wrong my friend . the love of a harlot has infiltrated under the guise it is the love of GOD .
THAT is how it all began .

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

That last sentence is difficult. For someone who is struggling with a repeated sin of the flesh like…anger, unforgiveness and are not yet aware of their total inability to conquer of themselves, I think it requires more explanation.

In our gospel, the ministry and sacrifice of Jesus that we believe in for the forgiveness of sin is always before God in the heavenly tabernacle interceding on our behalf for the sin we commit in our growing up into the image of Jesus. God is for us, not against us in our struggle with sin.

Romans 8:33-34
33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

In Epi's gospel God is against you, waiting for you to be righteous/holy so he can forgive you and save you on the basis of your goodness. That's not good news. Honest people know you can't get from here to there that way.

 

[amigo de christo]

I may as well get this blatant false statment of yours over with as well..

• Causality Error: The unrighteous are cast into outer darkness specifically because they reject God's invitation or fail to meet His terms (such as lacking the proper "wedding garment" of righteousness, they never accepted the terms of the gift of salvation being given and yet forced they way in anyway - by the wrong means or door), not because they are saved.
• Theological Contradiction: The phrase "saved by calling on the name of the Lord" is the biblical condition for salvation and entry into the Kingdom (Romans 10:13). Those cast into outer darkness are described as those who are not saved, having been excluded from the feast due to unbelief, disobedience, or rejection of the King.

In summary, being cast into outer darkness is the consequence of not being saved by calling on the Lord, whereas calling on the Lord results in salvation and inclusion in the Kingdom.

Where do you find these exaggerated and incredible differences in thought and even spirit, that are completely differ from the true gospel?

I need to warn you . and warn you i will .
no ma tter if in short time it causes me to be banned from this place .
THE MAN you are conversing with
YES epi .
Has went after me non stop for reminding us all that one must FIRST bELIEVE on JESUS
or its all in vain .
HE has went after me for also reminding an ATHEIST of the dire need to repent and beleive
ON JESUS . HE called it religous extremism .
Not only does he beleive its not necessary to preach the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS
oh my HE even sees it as religious extremism to DO SO . HE IS TOP inclusivain . And i long ago
learned all about that anti christ mess .

 

[amigo de christo]

In our gospel, the ministry and sacrifice of Jesus that we believe in for the forgiveness of sin is always before God in the heavenly tabernacle interceding on our behalf for the sin we commit in our growing up into the image of Jesus. God is for us, not against us in our struggle with sin.

Romans 8:33-34
33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

In Epi's gospel God is against you, waiting for you to be righteous/holy so he can forgive you and save you on the basis of your goodness. That's not good news. Honest people know you can't get from here to there that way.

just remember one thing my f riend .
How sincere and grave the first t rue men were .
Paul would not allow SIN to even remain being praticed or supported in any church or house .
Dont let my gravity concern you that i am too grave or etc .
no sir .
I aint stupied enough to compare my self next to paul or any man .
BUT beleive you me , i am as a puppy dog and kitten compared to how they dealt with sin or
even with those who tried to lead anyone , including the deputy away from the faith .
But i am praying to GOD for utterance to do so . The warnings have to increase . this generation is in dire trouble .

 

[Episkopos]

In our gospel, the ministry and sacrifice of Jesus that we believe in for the forgiveness of sin is always before God in the heavenly tabernacle interceding on our behalf for the sin we commit in our growing up into the image of Jesus. God is for us, not against us in our struggle with sin.

Romans 8:33-34
33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

In Epi's gospel God is against you, waiting for you to be righteous/holy so he can forgive you and save you on the basis of your goodness. That's not good news. Honest people know you can't get from here to there that way.

All unstable and unlearned people such as yourself only read what they want to see, I never said that salvation was based on our goodness. It is ALWAYS based on God's mercy.

There are 2 biblical standards that a right reading of the bible will see over and over again...if they can read AND comprehend.

The two standards are Mercy and Glory. Of course you won't quote me on that because you think your dishonesty and unrighteousness qualifies you for forgiveness.

 

[amigo de christo]

In our gospel, the ministry and sacrifice of Jesus that we believe in for the forgiveness of sin is always before God in the heavenly tabernacle interceding on our behalf for the sin we commit in our growing up into the image of Jesus. God is for us, not against us in our struggle with sin.

Romans 8:33-34
33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

In Epi's gospel God is against you, waiting for you to be righteous/holy so he can forgive you and save you on the basis of your goodness. That's not good news. Honest people know you can't get from here to there that way.

what many do not seem to realize is
Epi and those incluisivains BRING US A FALSE GOPSEL . He , as in epi , has not only
came after me for my reminders ONE MUST FIRST BELIEVE IN JESUS or its all in vain .
THE MAN came after me for preaching to AN ATHIEST of his dire need to repent and BELEIVE ON JESUS .
EPI called it religious ext remism . SOON to even preach the gospel
will not only be seen as relig oius extremism , by the false religoins and a heap of christendom .
FRIEND IT WILL BE AGAISNT the law to do so by this all inclusive god and it will
enforce this law by means of a powerful AI image speaking , digital system . one in wh ich
if one does not comply then he or she no buy .

 

[amigo de christo]

All unstable and unlearned people such as yourself only read what they want to see, I never said that salvation was based on our goodness. It is ALWAYS based on God's mercy.

There are 2 biblical standards that a right reading of the bible will see over and over again...if they can read AND comprehend.

The two standards are Mercy and Glory. Of course you won't quote me on that because you think your dishonesty and unrighteousness qualifies you for forgiveness.

Gods mercy dont reject BELEIF ON JESUS epi . You are only fooling yourself
and those who desire to beleive this inclusivity madness .
THE SHEEP you nor they WILL EVER decieve .
SO guess you will have to pray hard and feverent to your inclusive god
TO unleash the next phase . But do know this epi , that god cannot save you , it has d ecieved you
and all who do enter into its convenant .

 

[JustMe]

The comment IS scriptural. It absolutely is. But I think depending on where you are in understanding it might require more explanation. Some people get into a panic rather than to keep trusting even though they don’t understand.

I would tread lightly here. Show me the absolute scripture passages to back up your claim, else stop spreading dangerous and disturbing rumors.

And then of course explain it for me, and others. If you cannot, then I will take it your are ignorant of the subject.

 

[MostlyConfused]

The bible is quite specific about ongoing willful sin. This is not about being perfect or sinless completely...but about a specific kind of sin...iniquity. The seal of the Lord has two sides. God knows those who are His....AND...let those who name the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.

Iniquity is a sin against HOLINESS. It is claiming to be something you are not.

Jesus told the Pharisees...because you say you SEE, your sin (iniquity) remains. Willful sins are calculated...not because of weakness but by a misplaced strength...in the religious outer man.

If willful sins were also forgiven then there would be none going into outer darkness.

Unforgiveness is a sin against righteousness. Such risk having their own forgiveness revoked.

If the person is in that specific place in their struggle where they know they have to forgive and they try, but the anger and unforgiveness keep coming back up, is that willful sin? Of course it isn’t. And I know you wouldnt tell them that. They agree on what is good but cant DO what they agree is good. They have received the down payment and have come to that place in their struggle where they have not yet moved from but I MUST forgive to oh my gosh I’ve tried for years and I finally see I can’t do it, I am not able to. To tell them they will go to the outer darkness because they are choosing WILLFULLY to continue in sin would not be correct or helpful for them. They would panic and thrash around and just go ANOTHER round of trying very hard to forgive the one who has abused them and then failing. And maybe they would then give up and turn back to the world, thinking: well I’m going to the outer darkness because what He says I must do I can’t do so I may as well stop trying and accept my fate. Or he might say, it’s all a crock and begin to hate God for being so cruel to demand something of him that is impossible for him. Or he might say and begin to teach others that it is impossible to ever stop sinning while here on earth, like Luther came to.
All he needs is to be helped to see that he is right to say it is impossible for him to do it but wrong to not trust that Jesus can do it in him and for him.

 

[JustMe]

You are not thinking far enough. God condemns unrighteousness BOTH in the world and the church. The unrighteous of the world are cast into the lake of fire. The unrighteous in God's house are cast into outer darkness because they are saved by calling on the name of the Lord.


Our perfection is Christ. Putting on Christ is putting on His perfection.

The unrighteous are not atoned for. The unrighteous don't inherit the kingdom.


The righteous are not ALSO unrighteous. The unrighteous are not ALSO righteous. That is an invention of religious crazies.


In holiness, yes. A life for a life. But for righteousness all one needs to do is repent to be forgiven. No blood necessary. If you forgive others then God will forgive you. If you don't forgive others then God will not forgive you. Do you see the pattern emerging?


Mercy triumphs over judgment for the righteous. The penalty for sin is death...separation from God. A Christian who continues to sin will be separated from God for eternity.

Believers are fundamentally declared righteous by and through Christ who is considered perfect when he is in them. Believers can also be unrighteous in their acts. regardless, believers can be considered both righteous and unrighteous, although ultimately are righteous in the eyes of God because his Son in them.

Unbelievers on the other hand are always considered unrighteous as they have still rejected God and his Son. And regardless of acts that can be seen as righteous, they still remain unrighteous by God.

And it must be qualified along with your statement that the unrighteous don't inherit the Kingdom, even for a believer as habitual, life-style unrighteous acts that cause sin...1 Cor 6:9-11

Inheritence into the Kingdom involves:

Inheriting the Kingdom of God generally refers to receiving eternal rewards, authority, and rulership within the Kingdom, rather than merely gaining entrance to salvation. While entering the Kingdom is viewed as a free gift received through faith and being born again, inheriting it is conditional upon obedience, discipleship, and transformation.

Many scholars believe, that salvation is the gift of entry into the Kingdom (being a child of God), whereas inheritance is the reward of co-reigning with Christ (being an heir) in the Kingdom. So both salvation and/or inheritance into and of the Kingdom place any true believer into the Kingdom regardless

Verses like 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 and Galatians 5:19–21 list specific sins and character traits that prevent believers from inheriting the Kingdom, suggesting that persistent unrighteousness forfeits one’s future status and rewards, not their salvation into the Kingdom.

Inheriting the Kingdom involves relinquishing personal control and allowing God’s rule to govern one’s life. It is described as taking possession of the full potential of salvation, which includes the presence of Jesus/Yeshua, authority to teach, and the responsibility to steward God’s kingdom on earth. This inheritance is secured by Christ’s death but activated by a believer’s faithful cooperation with the Holy Spirit.

 

[MostlyConfused]

In our gospel, the ministry and sacrifice of Jesus that we believe in for the forgiveness of sin is always before God in the heavenly tabernacle interceding on our behalf for the sin we commit in our growing up into the image of Jesus. God is for us, not against us in our struggle with sin.

Romans 8:33-34
33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

In Epi's gospel God is against you, waiting for you to be righteous/holy so he can forgive you and save you on the basis of your goodness. That's not good news. Honest people know you can't get from here to there that way.

That’s not what Episkopos teaches. I know it’s what you see, but it’s not what he teaches. He teaches that God calls the wicked to turn from the harm they do to others and calls the righteous to a higher calling. He also teaches that hypocrites who have received the down payment of the Spirit by calling on the Lord go to outer darkness.

 

[MostlyConfused]

I would tread lightly here. Show me the absolute scripture passages to back up your claim, else stop spreading dangerous and disturbing rumors.

And then of course explain it for me, and others. If you cannot, then I will take it your are ignorant of the subject.

You ask something from me with a demanding and arrogant rudeness, not even a common politeness. All while insisting someone can be righteous without DOING what God says is right toward others.
You are amazing.
Why would I HELP you to continue harming yourself?

 

[RandyDawson]

I think the term "outer darkness" says what it needs to. Do a study about it.

I don't see in my bible where outer darkness means a person is in Heaven when they are cast in to outer darkness.

Can you help with that and show from the bible where Christians who turn away from the Lord, denying him in order to live in sin still go to Heaven but are in "outer darkness" in spite of the Lord saying there is no darkness in Him or His kingdom?

I mean you made the claim so can you share a little blurb about to enlighten us please?

 

[Laurina]

I don't see in my bible where outer darkness means a person is in Heaven when they are cast in to outer darkness.

Can you help with that and show from the bible where Christians who turn away from the Lord, denying him in order to live in sin still go to Heaven but are in "outer darkness" in spite of the Lord saying there is no darkness in Him or His kingdom?

I mean you made the claim so can you share a little blurb about to enlighten us please?

It's quite easy to look up "outer darkness" in a concordance. Did you do that? Good! Then you will see that there are 3 verses:
Matt. 8:12; 22:13; and 25:30.

In those verses, check WHO is being cast into outer darkness. It's better that you put the effort in and do the work, that way you get more out of it.

 

[RandyDawson]

Did you do that?

Yes and I found nothing that says outer darkness is a place in Heaven where there is NO darkness.

In those verses, check WHO is being cast into outer darkness.

Outer darkness is still not a place in Heaven. It's a place down in hell.

It's better that you put the effort in and do the work, that way you get more out of it.

I did and found those they turn away from the Lord denying Him to go back to sin are not rewarded with Heaven.

Matthew 8:12 - "But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 22:13 - "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 25:30 - "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

There's no weeping and gnashing of teeth in Heaven.

Luke 13:28
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

These people are kicked out of God's kingdom.