Did Jesus return around 70 AD?

[Scott Downey]

Jesus was scouraged in the common hall which was in the city, so He did suffer there also

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 27 - 21st Century King James Version

When the morning had come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put Him to death. And when they had bound Him, they led Him away and delivered Him to Pontius Pilate, the governor. Then Judas, who had betrayed Him, when he saw that He was condemned...

classic.biblegateway.com

24 When Pilate saw that he could not prevail, but rather that a tumult was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this just person. See ye to it.”

25 Then answered all the people and said, “His blood be on us, and on our children!”

26 Then released he Barabbas unto them; and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered Him to be crucified.

27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto Him the whole detachment of soldiers.

28 And they stripped Him and put on Him a scarlet robe.

29 And when they had plaited a crown of thorns, they put it upon His head and a reed in His right hand, and they bowed their knees before Him and mocked Him, saying, “Hail, King of the Jews!”

30 And they spat upon Him, and took the reed and smote Him on the head.

31 And after they had mocked Him, they took the robe off from Him and put His own raiment on Him, and led Him away to crucify Him.

32 And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name; him they compelled to bear His cross.

33 And when they had come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a Place of a Skull,

34 they gave Him vinegar to drink mingled with gall. And when He had tasted thereof, He would not drink.

35 And they crucified Him and parted His garments, casting lots, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet: “They parted My garments among them, and upon My vesture did they cast lots.”

36 And sitting down, they watched Him there,

37 and set up over His head His accusation, written: This Is Jesus The King Of The Jews.

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While we often focus on Calvary/Golgotha when thinking about the physical suffering of Jesus, scripture clearly records that a major portion of His immense physical and emotional suffering—the scourging, the beating, the spatting, and the cruel mocking—took place right there inside the city, within the confines of the Praetorium ("the common hall").

The Suffering Inside the City​

As Matthew 27:26–30 shows, Jesus endured severe torture at the hands of the Roman soldiers before He ever walked out to the execution site:

1. The Scourging (v. 26): Roman scourging was done with a flagrum (a whip laced with pieces of bone or metal). This brutal whipping was administered by Roman soldiers within the governor's quarters inside the city. This resulted in severe gouging of the skin, actually tearing and ripping, major wounding.
2. The Stripping & Mockery (vv. 28–29): The whole detachment (cohort) of Roman soldiers gathered inside the hall. They stripped Him, forced a scarlet robe onto His wounded body, placed a crown of sharp thorns on His head, and handed Him a reed as a fake royal scepter.
3. The Physical Assault (v. 30): They spat on Him, took the reed, and repeatedly struck Him on the head, driving the thorns deeper into His brow.

Scriptural Significance: Suffering Inside vs. Dying Outside​

The Bible presents a meaningful distinction between what took place inside the city limits and what took place outside:

• Inside the City: Jesus was condemned, mocked, beaten, and scourged. He bore the shame, public humiliation, and cruel physical abuse right in the middle of Jerusalem.
• Outside the Gates: As the Apostle Paul notes in Hebrews 13:11–12, Jesus was then led out beyond the city wall to die:
  

  "For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without [outside] the camp. Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate."

His redemptive work encompassed both—the painful, humiliating suffering inside the Praetorium hall within the city, followed by His ultimate sacrifice outside the city walls on the cross.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I always think he was crucified out side the city, so He did suffer outside the gate, as in the crucifixion was attested to there.

This here agrees with historical scholarship
When Jesus was before Pilate, was this within the city of Jerusalem

• Matthew 27:27 — "Then the governor’s soldiers took Jesus into the Praetorium [often translated as 'governor’s headquarters' or 'common hall'] and gathered the whole company of soldiers around him."
• Mark 15:16 — "The soldiers led Jesus away inside the palace (that is, the Praetorium) and called together the whole company of soldiers."
• John 18:28 — "Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor [Praetorium]. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover."

Yes, the trial of Jesus before Pontius Pilate took place within the historical city limits of Jerusalem (or immediately adjacent to its inner defensive walls).
While the exact site of the trial continues to be debated among biblical scholars and archaeologists, both primary historical candidates location-wise are situated within the ancient boundary of 1st-century Jerusalem:

The Two Main Candidate Locations​

1. The Praetorium at Herod’s Palace (Western Hill)​

• The Location: Situated near the modern-day Jaffa Gate and the Citadel (Tower of David).
• Historical Context: Most modern historians and biblical scholars consider this the most probable location. When Roman governors like Pontius Pilate traveled from their primary headquarters in Caesarea Maritima to Jerusalem during major Jewish festivals (like Passover), they typically resided in the luxurious royal residence built by Herod the Great.
• Archaeological Evidence: Excavations near the Citadel have uncovered large stone pavements, massive walls, and staircases matching descriptions of the governor's tribunal (Bema) where Pilate sat to issue judgments.

2. The Antonia Fortress (Northern Wall of the Temple Mount)​

• The Location: Positioned directly adjacent to the northwestern corner of the Temple Mount.
• Historical Context: Traditional Christian pilgrimage routes (such as the Via Dolorosa) traditionally place Pilate's judgment seat here. The fortress housed the Roman military garrison stationed to monitor activity within the Temple courts.
• Archaeological Evidence: Under the Convent of the Sisters of Zion, archaeologists uncovered a large paved area known as the Lithostrotos (or Gabbatha in Aramaic, mentioned in Gospel of John 19:13), though scholars debate whether these particular paving stones date to the 1st century or the 2nd century AD rebuilding under Emperor Hadrian.

Summary​

Regardless of whether Pilate was presiding at Herod's Palace (on the western side of the city) or the Antonia Fortress (on the northern edge of the Temple complex), both locations were located inside the city of Jerusalem. From there, Jesus was led outside the city walls to Golgotha (the Place of the Skull) for the crucifixion, as Roman execution sites were required by law to be outside municipal boundaries.

The last thing said there is important to understand. By law the Romans could not crucify people "outside municipal boundaries", so they could not have possibly crucified Jesus within the city of Jerusalem. And what is in question here is where Jesus was actually crucified since that is how the text in Revelation 11:8 is worded ("where also our Lord was crucified").

Babylon is a symbolic entity and, though it is described as a woman/harlot and also as "the great city", it is neither a literal woman nor a literal earthly city. I believe it is the spiritual opposite of the New Jerusalem that is the mother of all believers (Galatians 4:26). Babylon, in contrast, is not the mother of believers, but instead is the mother of harlots (Revelation 17:5) and the inhabitants of the earth (unbelievers) are "made drunk with the wine of her fornication".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus was scouraged in the common hall which was in the city, so He did suffer there also

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 27 - 21st Century King James Version

When the morning had come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put Him to death. And when they had bound Him, they led Him away and delivered Him to Pontius Pilate, the governor. Then Judas, who had betrayed Him, when he saw that He was condemned...

classic.biblegateway.com

24 When Pilate saw that he could not prevail, but rather that a tumult was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this just person. See ye to it.”

25 Then answered all the people and said, “His blood be on us, and on our children!”

26 Then released he Barabbas unto them; and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered Him to be crucified.

27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto Him the whole detachment of soldiers.

28 And they stripped Him and put on Him a scarlet robe.

29 And when they had plaited a crown of thorns, they put it upon His head and a reed in His right hand, and they bowed their knees before Him and mocked Him, saying, “Hail, King of the Jews!”

30 And they spat upon Him, and took the reed and smote Him on the head.

31 And after they had mocked Him, they took the robe off from Him and put His own raiment on Him, and led Him away to crucify Him.

32 And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name; him they compelled to bear His cross.

33 And when they had come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a Place of a Skull,

34 they gave Him vinegar to drink mingled with gall. And when He had tasted thereof, He would not drink.

35 And they crucified Him and parted His garments, casting lots, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet: “They parted My garments among them, and upon My vesture did they cast lots.”

36 And sitting down, they watched Him there,

37 and set up over His head His accusation, written: This Is Jesus The King Of The Jews.

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While we often focus on Calvary/Golgotha when thinking about the physical suffering of Jesus, scripture clearly records that a major portion of His immense physical and emotional suffering—the scourging, the beating, the spatting, and the cruel mocking—took place right there inside the city, within the confines of the Praetorium ("the common hall").

The Suffering Inside the City​

As Matthew 27:26–30 shows, Jesus endured severe torture at the hands of the Roman soldiers before He ever walked out to the execution site:

1. The Scourging (v. 26): Roman scourging was done with a flagrum (a whip laced with pieces of bone or metal). This brutal whipping was administered by Roman soldiers within the governor's quarters inside the city. This resulted in severe gouging of the skin, actually tearing and ripping, major wounding.
2. The Stripping & Mockery (vv. 28–29): The whole detachment (cohort) of Roman soldiers gathered inside the hall. They stripped Him, forced a scarlet robe onto His wounded body, placed a crown of sharp thorns on His head, and handed Him a reed as a fake royal scepter.
3. The Physical Assault (v. 30): They spat on Him, took the reed, and repeatedly struck Him on the head, driving the thorns deeper into His brow.

Scriptural Significance: Suffering Inside vs. Dying Outside​

The Bible presents a meaningful distinction between what took place inside the city limits and what took place outside:

• Inside the City: Jesus was condemned, mocked, beaten, and scourged. He bore the shame, public humiliation, and cruel physical abuse right in the middle of Jerusalem.
• Outside the Gates: As the Apostle Paul notes in Hebrews 13:11–12, Jesus was then led out beyond the city wall to die:

His redemptive work encompassed both—the painful, humiliating suffering inside the Praetorium hall within the city, followed by His ultimate sacrifice outside the city walls on the cross.

Yes, but the question is not where He suffered, but where He was crucified. That was outside of the city of Jerusalem. So, if someone is going to claim that Babylon represents the city of Jerusalem because they think Jesus was crucified in the city of Jerusalem, that is simply not true.

 

[Scott Downey]

John 19:20
Then many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city, and it was written in Hebrew and Greek and Latin.

Nigh means near the city, so He was crucified outside the city of Jerusalem, but close by,

KJ21
Then many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city, and it was written in Hebrew and Greek and Latin.
ASV
This title therefore read many of the Jews, for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city; and it was written in Hebrew, and in Latin, and in Greek.
AMP
And many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, in Latin, and in Greek.
AMPC
And many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and it was written in Hebrew, in Latin, [and] in Greek.

RSV
Many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, in Latin, and in Greek.
RSVCE
Many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, in Latin, and in Greek.
TLV
Many Judeans read this sign, because the place where Yeshua was executed was near the city; it was written in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek.
VOICE
Because the site was near an urban region, it was written in three languages (Greek, Latin, and Hebrew) so that all could understand.
WEB
Therefore many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, in Latin, and in Greek.
WE
Many of the Jews read this sign. The place where Jesus was nailed to a cross was near the city. The sign was written in the Jewish, Greek, and Latin languages.

 

[amigo de christo]

Controversial? Ha... no, it "IS" a false doctrine! You are becoming like honey that attracts flies here—the false teachers and laymen who promote Preterism and their first-century fulfillment theories coming down on you. By opening the door to these doctrines, you risk giving false teachers a platform to spread teachings that lead people away from the truth of Scripture.

Paul warned that grievous wolves would enter among God's people and that men would arise, speaking perverse things to draw disciples after themselves (Acts 20:29–30). We are commanded to test every teaching against Scripture (Acts 17:11) and to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered unto the saints (Jude 1:3).

The issue is not merely whether Preterism is controversial; the issue is whether its teachings stand up to the whole counsel of God. We must not allow first-century fulfillment theories nonsenses to distort the biblical teaching concerning, the stones of temple falling, the army, the beast, Christ's glorious return, the resurrection of the dead, and the final judgment.

Do not become bait for 70AD false teachers. Be a Berean: examine the Scriptures carefully yourself, expose error, and stand firmly for the truth.

verily verily i do say unto thee
that flies fly faster to dung than to honey .
Tis why many are the swarms who sit under the vast marjority of these leaders who fleece them daily with lots of dung .
They teach this people ecumeincalism inclusvism
which i like to call mushroom theology .
And how does a mushroom thrive and grow . KEEP IT IN THE DARK and feed it lots of bull .
Just a friendly reminder to us all .

 

[Marvelloustime]

verily verily i do say unto thee
that flies fly faster to dung than to honey .
Tis why many are the swarms who sit under the vast marjority of these leaders who fleece them daily with lots of dung .
They teach this people ecumeincalism inclusvism
which i like to call mushroom theology .
And how does a mushroom thrive and grow . KEEP IT IN THE DARK and feed it lots of bull .
Just a friendly reminder to us all .

@amigo de christo

 

[Truth7t7]

I accept what the following scriptures indicate, which was that He was crucified outside of Jerusalem, and you do not.

John 19:20 Then many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin.

Hebrews 13:12 Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate.

I accept the fact of scripture that shows Jesus crucifixion started in Jerusalem when pilate washed hands, he was beaten and shed his precious blood in Jerusalem with Revelation 11:8 being (The Great City Jerusalem) where the Lord Jesus was crucified

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I accept the fact of scripture that shows Jesus crucifixion started in Jerusalem when pilate washed hands, he was beaten and shed his precious blood in Jerusalem with Revelation 11:8 being (The Great City Jerusalem) where the Lord Jesus was crucified

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Where was He actually crucified? That's what is in question here. Not where He was beaten or sentenced to death. You're trying to get around that. Where was the cross that Jesus was crucified on located? It wasn't in the city of Jerusalem. You fail to recognize the symbolism in Revelation. Babylon, the mother of harlots, is the spiritual opposite of the new heavenly Jerusalem, the mother of all believers (Galatians 4:26). Jerusalem never has and never will reign over the kings of the earth (Rev 17:21) or be the hold of every foul spirit (Rev 18:2). Babylon is a global entity.

 

[Truth7t7]

Where was He actually crucified?

You deny the fact that the crucifixion started and took place in Jerusalem, Jesus being whipped and his death march with the wooden cross walking through the street of Jerusalem was part of his crucifixion, you deny this "Sad"

The time Pilate washed his hands in Jerusalem to the time Jesus took his last breath on the cross of Calvary outside the old city was (The Crucifixion)

I never denied the fact that Jesus died on the cross of Calvary outside the gates of the old city

 

[Truth7t7]

Where was He actually crucified? That's what is in question here. Not where He was beaten or sentenced to death. You're trying to get around that. Where was the cross that Jesus was crucified on located? It wasn't in the city of Jerusalem. You fail to recognize the symbolism in Revelation. Babylon, the mother of harlots, is the spiritual opposite of the new heavenly Jerusalem, the mother of all believers (Galatians 4:26). Jerusalem never has and never will reign over the kings of the earth (Rev 17:21) or be the hold of every foul spirit (Rev 18:2). Babylon is a global entity.

Please explain "The Great City" seen below, where, who, what, is this city?

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You deny the fact that the crucifixion started and took place in Jerusalem,

The crucifixion itself refers to Jesus being killed on the cross. Yes, he was beaten before that in Jerusalem, but that is not where He was crucified. Scripture says that He was crucified near, but outside of Jerusalem (Hebrews 13:12, John 19:20). That's a fact.

Jesus being whipped and his death march with the wooden cross walking through the street of Jerusalem was part of his crucifixion, you deny this "Sad"

The time Pilate washed his hands in Jerusalem to the time Jesus took his last breath on the cross of Calvary outside the old city was (The Crucifixion)

I never denied the fact that Jesus died on the cross of Calvary outside the gates of the old city

What Revelation 11:8 refers to is where He actually died. Where He was actually crucified. It doesn't say "where our Lord was beaten".

 

[Truth7t7]

The crucifixion itself refers to Jesus being killed on the cross. Yes, he was beaten before that in Jerusalem, but that is not where He was crucified. Scripture says that He was crucified near, but outside of Jerusalem (Hebrews 13:12, John 19:20). That's a fact.


What Revelation 11:8 refers to is where He actually died. Where He was actually crucified. It doesn't say "where our Lord was beaten".

No need in beating a dead horse, you deny that the acts of Pilate, Jesus being beaten, his death March through the streets of Jerusalem that took place inside the walls of Jerusalem, was part of the Lord's crucifixion, I believe that the afore mentioned all were part of the Lord's crucifixion

The Horse Is Dead

Jesus Is The Lord
.

 

[claninja]

Don't ignore this verse...

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.

So, this does indicate that the book contains things about the past. And things that were happening at the time. Which you acknowledge was likely around 95 AD. And also things that would occur after that. The book covers the time period from the first coming of Christ to the future second coming of Christ at which point everyone will be judged and the eternal new heavens and new earth will be ushered in.

This is how I understand revelation 1:19:

John is to write down:
-Things you have seen = chapter 1
-Things that are = chapters 2-3
-Things about to be = chapters 4-22

While I think that chapters 4-22 (about to be) are mainly about events future to John, I would argue they also have small scenes that are in the past to John (revelation 12’s manchild caught up to heaven, revelation 17’s five have fallen, etc…).

Also, Revelation 20 refers to "the thousand years". Even if not taken literally, it's not reasonable to think that a thousand years would figuratively represent a much shorter amount of time than a thousand years.

Sorry, not following this point?

Yes, the book obviously deals with things going on in those churches around that time. But, Babylon is described as being destroyed after that time. So, how could it refer to what happened to apostate Jews/Jerusalem in 70 AD?

Right, if Revelation was written in 95 ad, then the explanation given by the angel of “5 have fallen, ONE IS, and another yet to come”, means the harlot is destroyed by the beast after 95ad.

So then what is the purpose for Revelation borrowing so much scriptural language alluding to Jerusalem, especially when we consider the internal claims of apostate Jews persecuting the church (revelation 2-3)?

-The city where our Lord was crucified (Revelation 11:8; Luke 13:33).

-The city responsible for the blood of the prophets and righteous (Revelation 18:24; cf. Matthew 23:29–37).

-The city portrayed as a harlot (Revelation 17:1–5; Ezekiel 16:15–38).

-The city likened to Sodom (Revelation 11:8; Isaiah 1:9–10).

-The harlot adorned in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones, evoking priestly imagery (Revelation 17:4; Exodus 28:5–6, 15, 17–20).

-The holy city trampled by the Gentiles (Revelation 11:2; Luke 21:24).

 

[Davidpt]

Sorry, not following this point?

Me neither.

I told you a thousand times---no. Imagine applying his logic to that--- it's not reasonable to think that a thousand times would figuratively represent a much shorter amount of times than a thousand times.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Please explain "The Great City" seen below, where, who, what, is this city?

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

I've already told you that multiple times. I've said several times that I see Babylon as being a global entity and as the spiritual opposite of the new Jerusalem, which represents the church (it's called "the bride, the Lamb's wife" - Rev 21:9). Paul said that the heavenly Jerusalem is the mother of us all (all believers - Galatians 4:26). Babylon is the mother of harlots (Revelation 17:5). She reigns over the kings of the earth (Rev 17:18). Jerusalem has never and will never reign over the kings of the earth. Babylon is a global entity representing the world's false religions and philosophies that people believe in and follow instead of the one true God. All unbelievers are citizens of Babylon while all believers are citizens of the new heavenly Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22). Babylon is the hold of every foul spirit (Rev 18:2). Its scope is well beyond just Jerusalem. Jerusalem is just one of the many harlots with Babylon as their mother.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Me neither.

I told you a thousand times---no. Imagine applying his logic to that--- it's not reasonable to think that a thousand times would figuratively represent a much shorter amount of times than a thousand times.

That's my point. How are you not following it? Read what I said again. I said "It's not reasonable to think that a thousand years would figuratively represent a much shorter amount of time than a thousand years.". How is that logic any different than what you said here?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No need in beating a dead horse, you deny that the acts of Pilate, Jesus being beaten, his death March through the streets of Jerusalem that took place inside the walls of Jerusalem, was part of the Lord's crucifixion,

No, those are things that led up to His crucifixion. You don't understand what the word crucifixion means. The word "crucifixion" itself applies to the act of someone being tied or nailed to a wooden cross and left to die. That happened outside of the city of Jerusalem.

The Horse Is Dead

Your belief about this is dead. Babylon is not Jerusalem.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is how I understand revelation 1:19:

John is to write down:
-Things you have seen = chapter 1
-Things that are = chapters 2-3
-Things about to be = chapters 4-22

While I think that chapters 4-22 (about to be) are mainly about events future to John, I would argue they also have small scenes that are in the past to John (revelation 12’s manchild caught up to heaven, revelation 17’s five have fallen, etc…).

Things about to be? Where are you coming up with that? It's referring to things that would happen after that without indicating one way or another how far in the future those things would be.

Sorry, not following this point?

Why not? Do you think "a thousand years" could figuratively represent a 10 year time period? 50 years? I don't even recall your understanding of the thousand years exactly, but preterists typically believe that Revelation 20 refers to events up to 70 AD which would make the thousand years a much short time than a literal thousand years. What is your take on it?

Right, if Revelation was writtein 95 ad, then the explanation given by the angel of “5 have fallen, ONE IS, and another yet to come”, means the harlot is destroyed by the beast after 95ad.

So then what is the purpose for Revelation borrowing so much scriptural language alluding to Jerusalem, especially when we consider the internal claims of apostate Jews persecuting the church (revelation 2-3)?

Just because it has some things in common with Jerusalem doesn't make it Jerusalem. Babylon is the mother of harlots, of which Jerusalem is just one. It has a global scope, unlike Jerusalem. It reigns over the kings of the earth. It is the hold of EVERY foul spirit and a cage for EVERY unclean bird (Rev 18:2). It says "ALL the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.”. It says Babylon sits on many waters which represent "peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues". The scope of Babylon is clearly beyond just Jerusalem. You are seeing the similarities with Jerusalem and somehow missing the differences.

-The city where our Lord was crucified (Revelation 11:8; Luke 13:33).

-The city where our Lord was crucified (Revelation 11:8; Luke 13:33)

-The city responsible for the blood of the prophets and righteous (Revelation 18:24; cf. Matthew 23:29–37).

-The city portrayed as a harlot (Revelation 17:1–5; Ezekiel 16:15–38).

-The city likened to Sodom (Revelation 11:8; Isaiah 1:9–10).

-The harlot adorned in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones, evoking priestly imagery (Revelation 17:4; Exodus 28:5–6, 15, 17–20).

-The holy city trampled by the Gentiles (Revelation 11:2; Luke 21:24).

Again, you see similarities while somehow missing the differences. Also, earthly Jerusalem is not the holy city in the book of Revelation. New Jerusalem is the holy city there (Revelation 21:2). The New Jerualem represents the church. It is "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev 21:9). So, Revelation 11:2 is talking about persecution against the church and has nothing to do with Jerusalem. The great city is also spiritually called Egypt (Rev 11:8). How can that apply to Jerusalem? This symbolic woman/city is called Babylon because Babylon was a world empire with a global scope well beyond just Jerusalem.

 

[Truth7t7]

I've already told you that multiple times. I've said several times that I see Babylon as being a global entity and as the spiritual opposite of the new Jerusalem, which represents the church (it's called "the bride, the Lamb's wife" - Rev 21:9). Paul said that the heavenly Jerusalem is the mother of us all (all believers - Galatians 4:26). Babylon is the mother of harlots (Revelation 17:5). She reigns over the kings of the earth (Rev 17:18). Jerusalem has never and will never reign over the kings of the earth. Babylon is a global entity representing the world's false religions and philosophies that people believe in and follow instead of the one true God. All unbelievers are citizens of Babylon while all believers are citizens of the new heavenly Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22). Babylon is the hold of every foul spirit (Rev 18:2). Its scope is well beyond just Jerusalem. Jerusalem is just one of the many harlots with Babylon as their mother.

Thanks for the response, I strongly disagree with your claim of Babylon, as I've posted a thousand times on forums, Jerusalem is mystery Babylon the Great

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia.
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

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No, those are things that led up to His crucifixion. You don't understand what the word crucifixion means. The word "crucifixion" itself applies to the act of someone being tied or nailed to a wooden cross and left to die. That happened outside of the city of Jerusalem.


Your belief about this is dead. Babylon is not Jerusalem.

We Disagree, The Sentence Of Crucifixion Began When Pilate Washed His Hands In Jerusalem, From Pilate's Sentence To The Lord's Last Breath On Calvary Was The Crucifixion

Jerusalem Is Mystery Babylon The Great, Just As God's Word Teaches As Seen Above In Post #439 Above

The Horse Is Dead, We Disagree

Jesus Is The Lord