A question for Paul

[RandyDawson]

2Thess 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

Is Paul an annihilation believer ?

No, Paul is not teaching the false doctrines of annihilation. The biblical definition of eternal destruction is to spend eternity separated from the presence of the Lord in that place God created for the devil and his angels called hell.

The reason people go their is because everything produces after it's own kind and those that belong to the devil with satan as their father will receive the same eternal reward their father will be receiving - eternal torment in hell.

Those led by the Spirit of the Lord enduring until the end abiding in Christ are the sons of God who will be rewarded with eternity in God's precedence. All others belong to satan and will be spending eternity with him in hell.

 

[pwg_jonathan]

Fun question. Mine would be how he stayed so steady while writing from a prison cell. Philippians 4:11 has him saying "I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content," and I'd honestly want to hear what that learning looked like day to day, because it clearly wasn't instant. Curious what the rest of you would ask.

 

[RandyDawson]

Fun question. Mine would be how he stayed so steady while writing from a prison cell. Philippians 4:11 has him saying "I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content," and I'd honestly want to hear what that learning looked like day to day, because it clearly wasn't instant. Curious what the rest of you would ask.

The answer can be found in the New Testament!

Did you pray and ask the Lord to teach you about this yet?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

how he stayed so steady while writing from a prison cell. Philippians 4:11 has him saying "I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content,"

Precious friend, the same way we can depend Upon God's Amazing Grace For us, eh?

"He Said Unto me, My Grace Is Sufficient For thee: for My Strength Is Made Perfect in weakness.​

Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that The Power Of Christ may rest upon me."​

(2 Corinthians 12:9 AV)​

God's GRACE Word for our infirmities!

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[ProDeo]

No, Paul is not teaching the false doctrines of annihilation. The biblical definition of eternal destruction is to spend eternity separated from the presence of the Lord in that place God created for the devil and his angels called hell.

The reason people go their is because everything produces after it's own kind and those that belong to the devil with satan as their father will receive the same eternal reward their father will be receiving - eternal torment in hell.

Those led by the Spirit of the Lord enduring until the end abiding in Christ are the sons of God who will be rewarded with eternity in God's precedence. All others belong to satan and will be spending eternity with him in hell.

2Thess 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

Is Paul an annihilation believer ?

I don't think Paul was an annihilation believer and neither am I, but the choice of his word destruction implies otherwise, when something is destructed than after that there is nothing left. Hence my hypothetical question as the OP invited people to say.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

when something is destructed than after that there is nothing left.

You do realize, of course, in the physical realm there is "something left" = usually ashes, eh?

Scripture Implies That In the spiritual realm, as you and I believe, "something left" is The "torment forever"
Because Of God's:

Undiluted Wrath!

eh?

We thus should be So Thankful for God's Undiluted Grace! Correct?

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[Episkopos]

"What did you mean by "the works of Torah?"

I'm going to try responding for Paul since he isn't presently available.

For the first question... the works of the law is Judaism....the law of Moses for both righteousness and holiness.

"When you wrote the words pistis Christou, did you mean 'faith IN Christ' or 'Christ's faith'?"

It is the faith OF Christ. The same faith that gave the power that caused Peter to walk on water.

"What is the relationship between the teachings Christ gave to His disciples and salvation by grace through faith?"

Grace is the power of God to walk as Jesus walked. Such power is ONLY found in Christ. As such Jesus had to leave the earth to provide that grace in the Spirit.

"Does Romans 8:30-39 imply OSAS?"

"What's your position on Pre-Tribulation Dispensational Eschatology?"

I'll wait on Paul for these....

"What did Luther and Calvin get right, and what did they get wrong?"

Calvin was only right concerning the saints...and even then he didn't allow for the deception of the devil. Many more people are saved than just the saints, regardless.

Luther said that there were two levels of righteousness...which is correct...but then messed up trying to explain them.

Wait, you said only ONE question?

How could we resist?

 

[Episkopos]

2Thess 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

Is Paul an annihilation believer ?

I don't think Paul was an annihilation believer and neither am I, but the choice of his word destruction implies otherwise, when something is destructed than after that there is nothing left. Hence my hypothetical question as the OP invited people to say.

I think you rely WAYY too much on the translators choice of words. A translation is NOT the original word of God...it is a commentary at times. And the commentary follows a previous bent or bias towards a conclusion that is made to fit the text. Basically eisegesis as opposed to exegesis.

So the verse is much better rendered as eternal punishment from the presence of God. If someone is dead they are not just merely not present.

 

[RandyDawson]

the choice of his word destruction implies otherwise

Not when God's definition of destruction is to be separated from Him and sent to that place prepared for the devil and his angels.

Jesus said the punishment is everlasting and if they ceased to exist then the punishment would not be everlasting which means Jesus was a liar. Think I'll stick with what Jesus said and read passages on this topic in light of what He said about it.