The Coming FALSE MESSIAH

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Revelation 13:11 forward Scripture says NOTHING about the "false prophet."

The false prophet is another name for the second beast. Their descriptions are the same, as I showed. You can't miss the similarities if you actually read the text.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Revelation 13:11 forward Scripture says NOTHING about the "false prophet."

The false prophet ADDITION into that Revelation 13:11-17 Scripture is a false tradition by men.

WHY would some men want to confuse that with their claiming that "another beast" is the false prophet of Rev.19:20? EASY! It is to confuse brethren as to the IDENTITY of that "another beast" as SATAN himself, the "dragon"!

Rev 13:11
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
KJV

That article 'a' in the Greek can also mean 'the'. Thusly, 'the dragon', which is Satan himself. And just who is it we are told that will ascend... out of the bottomless pit and go into perdition? Satan. That's why the above points to that "another beast" coming up out of the earth. It does not mean some flesh-born man coming out of world society. It instead is symbolic for Satan's pit, which is compared in God's Word, and per Greek legend to the abode of Hades (hell).

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV

I don't claim that the first beast or the second beast/false prophet refer to individual humans. But, they also do not refer to Satan. They are differentiated from Satan.

 

[David in NJ]

I believe those who have tried to turn the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 into the "false prophet" of Rev.19:20 do that as part of the deception of the real identity of the coming false-Messiah. I see the "another beast" meaning the "dragon", Satan himself.

And since the false prophet and the beast concept all perish in the "lake of fire" on the day of Christ's future return, that does not point to those being flesh men, because no flesh-born is judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire" until AFTER Christ's "thousand years" reign that begins on the day of His return.

Revelation 19:19-21 makes very clear that the Beast, the False Prophet, the Kings of the earth are flesh and blood

And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

JESUS confirmed this in Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 19:19-21 makes very clear that the Beast, the False Prophet, the Kings of the earth are flesh and blood

And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

JESUS confirmed this in Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

If the beast is a human, then how old would you say he is now, considering that the beast existed before John wrote the book?

Revelation 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The beast "was" before John wrote the book. How can that apply to a human being? The beast was in the bottomless pit at the time the book was written. How can that apply to a human being?

 

[David in NJ]

If the beast is a human, then how old would you say he is now, considering that the beast existed before John wrote the book?

Revelation 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The beast "was" before John wrote the book. How can that apply to a human being? The beast was in the bottomless pit at the time the book was written. How can that apply to a human being?

Jesus answered, “It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped it.”
And having dipped the bread, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him.

 

[Davy]

Revelation 19:19-21 makes very clear that the Beast, the False Prophet, the Kings of the earth are flesh and blood

No... it does not. That is only assumed. And the reason why is simple, as I previously mentioned.

When are flesh-born judged by Christ and cast into the "lake of fire" as the "second death"?

As of today, only... Satan and his angels have already been judged and 'sentenced' to perish in the "lake of fire".

 

[David in NJ]

When are flesh-born judged by Christ and cast into the "lake of fire" as the "second death"?

Two flesh-born individuals = When GOD Says So = Revelation 19:19-21

Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Notice that the remainder were killed on earth as God Says and "all the birds were filled with their flesh."

Satan and his angels have already been judged and 'sentenced' to perish in the "lake of fire".

CORRECT
Satan and his angels were/are not "flesh-born"

Never doubt the words of CHRIST when HE Says = "fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

Do you understand that JESUS gave a Prophecy in Matt 10:28 that will be fulfilled = Revelation 19:19-21

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus answered, “It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped it.”
And having dipped the bread, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him.

How does this answer my question? Are you claiming that the beast is Satan? Are you saying that when John said "the beast was" before he wrote the book, that he was saying the beast was Judas Iscariot? Please explain your understanding of the beast in relation to John saying the beast was, is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.

 

[David in NJ]

How does this answer my question? Are you claiming that the beast is Satan? Are you saying that when John said "the beast was" before he wrote the book, that he was saying the beast was Judas Iscariot? Please explain your understanding of the beast in relation to John saying the beast was, is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.

Spirits can enter into a human = just as Satan entered into Judas

The Beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit is a spirit.
That spirit will enter into a flesh and blood man.

That is how the Scripture is fulfilled in Revelation 19:19-21

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Spirits can enter into a human = just as Satan entered into Judas

The Beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit is a spirit.
That spirit will enter into a flesh and blood man.

That is how the Scripture is fulfilled in Revelation 19:19-21

Make up your mind. Before, you were saying that the beast and false prophet are "Two flesh-born individuals". Now, you are saying the beast is a spirit. So, which do you think it is? A spirit or a human being?

 

[David in NJ]

Make up your mind. Before, you were saying that the beast and false prophet are "Two flesh-born individuals". Now, you are saying the beast is a spirit. So, which do you think it is? A spirit or a human being?

Do evil spirits dwell in humans who open themselves to them?
Yes or No

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do evil spirits dwell in humans who open themselves to them?
Yes or No

Sure. Why do you ask? You said the beast is a spirit. Would that spirit no longer be a spirit after possessing a human? Of course not. So, be clear. Do you believe the beast is a spirit or a human being? You've indicated both in separate posts, so you need to make up your mind about that. Are you trying to say you believe the beast is a spirit that has possessed different human beings over the years, but hasn't done so for a long time (since whatever time you think it was put in the bottomless pit)?

 

[Davy]

Two flesh-born individuals = When GOD Says So = Revelation 19:19-21

That's not an answer to my question. I'll ask you again...

Question: When are flesh-born judged by Christ and cast into the "lake of fire" as the "second death"?

 

[David in NJ]

That's not an answer to my question. I'll ask you again...

Question: When are flesh-born judged by Christ and cast into the "lake of fire" as the "second death"?

EASY = Revelation chapter 20

 

[Davy]

EASY = Revelation chapter 20

Yes, but at what point in time per Revelation 20?

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, but at what point in time per Revelation 20?

At the bottom of the page = lol

Come on Davy, we fully know when it takes place = after the 1,000 years

Davy, GOD is not restricted = HE is going to cast the flesh-n-blood false prophet and false messiah into the lake of fire ALIVE.

 

[Davy]

At the bottom of the page = lol

Come on Davy, we fully know when it takes place = after the 1,000 years

Davy, GOD is not restricted = HE is going to cast the flesh-n-blood false prophet and false messiah into the lake of fire ALIVE.

Sorry, but you are creating your own rules and requirements, when God in His Word revealed just when flesh-born man is actually sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire" per the end of Revelation 20. Only at God's Great White Throne Judgment is when one born in the flesh is sentenced to perish. As of today, not even Judas Iscariot is judged and sentenced to perish.

But Satan and his angels have... already been sentenced to perish, and God even says that fire is already prepared for their destruction (Isaiah 30:33; Matthew 25:41).

If you'll notice when Lord Jesus had rebuke for the "synagogue of Satan" that worked against Him, He was careful to not say they were already condemned to 'perish' in the lake of fire. He only pointed to their being in danger of perishing. It's because they have not yet been judged and sentenced to perish. Yet illiterate preachers claim the opposite all the time, claiming a soul is already doomed to perish in the lake of fire, when that is not their decision, but Christ's only.

 

[David in NJ]

Sorry, but you are creating your own rules and requirements,

Good Morning Davy,

Why would you choose to disregard(unbelief) God's words?

Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army.
But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.
Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

 

[Davy]

Good Morning Davy,

Why would you choose to disregard(unbelief) God's words?

Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army.
But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.
Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

What you're not understanding is that the 'beast' and 'false prophet' concepts are ROLES that Satan will play as false-Messiah when he comes. This is why all three, the beast, false prophet, and the dragon (Satan) are shown working the miracles to deceive with; it's all the same source, Satan as the beast king.

Rev 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
KJV

Who's "image" did they worship? Satan, the "dragon", as the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward that will set up the "image of the beast" in false worship, and work miracles and speak lies like waters as a flood to deceive at the end.

Rev 16:10
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
KJV

Who's "kingdom"?? The beast's kingdom. Who is that? Satan, the "dragon" and beast king. It's his kingdom.


Rev 16:13
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
KJV

The unclean spirits come out of all three, the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. It's because all three ROLES are about the beast king Satan, also called the "dragon."

Rev 16:14
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
KJV

They are from the "dragon", Satan, the "another beast", the pseudo-Christ, man of sin, that will work the great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world, except Christ's elect.

How do those beast and false prophet Roles compare with Satan's coming attempt to mimic our Lord Jesus Christ? Lord Jesus is a Prophet per Deut.18:15; contrasted with Satan as the "false prophet". Lord Jesus is The KING; contrasted with Satan as the beast king.